Russian Skyscraper Fire vs. 9/11

[Radical Plato]

So are the non tin foil hats not going to answer what happened to the 3/4 billion dollars stored under the WTC, not to mention the 1000 missing bodies that they suspect was pulverised to dust much like everything else in the building.  Once again, their is no precedent of a collapsing building doing this to human remains.

[Ropo]

But they did hear explosions. And then this witness committed suicide! This is just too perfect!!

How they hear explosions, while there isn't any? Because they hear loud noise, and they, like everybody, think that it is explosion. You simply can't be sure if you don't see it. Try to understand this. There was loads of things falling down from hight of 78th floor, which means hundred of meters. When I drop something like 2000lb safe from 300 meters behind your back, what it will sound like? In your ears it sound like an explosion, while it is not.

[Ropo]

Another question that comes to mind, is what happened to the near 3/4 billion dollars in gold and silver that was stored under the WTC that just happened to go missing.  $230 million of nearly a billion dollars was recovered.  So what are the peoples theories on this.   (It is not plausible, of course, that whatever destroyed the towers vaporized gold and silver, which are dense, inert metals that are extremely unlikely to participate in chemical reactions with other materials.)

Some suggest the motivation for the collapse of the towers was the biggest heist in history.  3/4 billion dollars is a lot of cash.

Former mob boss Tony Gambino, who declared in a 2007 radio interview: “I know for a fact that Bush [and other] U.S. government leaders had prior knowledge and helped organize 9-11. They did it for many obvious reasons, one being to instigate a war in Iraq. But they also did it to get their hands on all the gold that was hidden below the [WTC].”

Gambino claims that his grandfather’s construction company built the WTC and installed underground vaults to warehouse vast quantities of gold, where it was later stolen on 9-11.

So, now we start to beat bushes with hope, that something springs out? While it is proven fact that 9/11 isn't conspiracy at all, who cares about this shit you are trying to feed to people? Where is the evidence? You should understand that if there isn't any means to pull out this demolition job, there isn't any conspiracy, because that controlled demolition is the key to whole conspiracy. And while the key is missing, where is the conspiracy?

[Radical Plato]

So, now we start to beat bushes with hope, that something springs out? While it is proven fact that 9/11 isn't conspiracy at all, who cares about this shit you are trying to feed to people? Where is the evidence? You should understand that if there isn't any means to pull out this demolition job, there isn't any conspiracy, because that controlled demolition is the key to whole conspiracy. And while the key is missing, where is the conspiracy?

Is this question to hard to answer for you?, 3/4 billion dollars goes missing and you have no idea how to answer it. I'm not trying to feed anybody anything, merely asking relevant questions.  The WTC stored more gold than Fort Knox, the majority of it went missing and has never been accounted for, asking what happened to it is a legitimate question.  3/4 billion dollars is plenty of motivation for a conspiracy.  You anti tin hats have to realise that you don't have all the answers and that their are flaws in your arguments, this is what has led to suspicion in the first place.

And controlled demolition is irrelevant, I don't think people really care either way, it's just that the building fell in an eerily similar way to a controlled demolition.  The argument is that the Government or some other powerful group orchestrated or knew about 9/11 and used it to profit their agenda.

[Ropo]

So are the non tin foil hats not going to answer what happened to the 3/4 billion dollars stored under the WTC, not to mention the 1000 missing bodies that they suspect was pulverised to dust much like everything else in the building.  Once again, their is no precedent of a collapsing building doing this to human remains.

it is quite clear that you don't have enough intelligence to comprehend those circumstances which take plase at the ground zero. Try to undesrtand, that both of those buildings weight more than 500 000 metric tons, so when they collapsed, there were something like 250 000 kilos of human flesh against 1000 000 0000 kilos of  flying steel, concrete and stuff. What will be outcome from that? Loads of minced meat under the pile of rubble..so what happens to that minced meat during the weeks of the salvage operation? It just sit there and wait, and when they find pieces of it, it will be fresh and pretty? Come on, no one can be so stupid for real  

[Radical Plato]

it is quite clear that you don't have enough intelligence to comprehend those circumstances which take plase at the ground zero. Try to undesrtand, that both of those buildings weight more than 500 000 metric tons, so when they collapsed, there were something like 250 000 kilos of human flesh against 1000 000 0000 kilos of  flying steel, concrete and stuff. What will be outcome from that? Loads of minced meat under the pile of rubble..so what happens to that minced meat during the weeks of the salvage operation? It just sit there and wait, and when they find pieces of it, it will be fresh and pretty? Come on, no one can be so stupid for real  

You keep avoiding answering the question about the 3/4 billion dollars, and the bodies weren't even mince meat, like you said, as one would expect, the bodies were pulverised into sub-100-micron powder, something that has never occurred in a building collapse or fire.

[Ropo]

Is this question to hard to answer for you?, 3/4 billion dollars goes missing and you have no idea how to answer it. I'm not trying to feed anybody anything, merely asking relevant questions.  The WTC stored more gold than Fort Knox, the majority of it went missing and has never been accounted for, asking what happened to it is a legitimate question.  3/4 billion dollars is plenty of motivation for a conspiracy.  You anti tin hats have to realise that you don't have all the answers and that their are flaws in your arguments, this is what has led to suspicion in the first place.

And controlled demolition is irrelevant, I don't think people really care either way, it's just that the building fell in an eerily similar way to a controlled demolition.  The argument is that the Government or some other powerful group orchestrated or knew about 9/11 and used it to profit their agenda.

You are on wrong track. There is a claim that there is xxx billions missing, but where is the evidence to prove that the claim is true? Don't you know what is the difference between claim and the fact? Let me show it by example: I claim that you are a moron, who is drooling on his shoes while typing this shit in the net. You prove that my claim is a fact by answering my comment like a dork.

[Twaddle]

You keep avoiding answering the question about the 3/4 billion dollars, and the bodies weren't even mince meat, like you said, as one would expect, the bodies were pulverised into sub-100-micron powder, something that has never occurred in a building collapse or fire.

Bodies?  They're still working on it.  It's hard to identify bits and pieces.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2031414/The-ongoing-effort-identify-remains-1-121-tragic-victims-9-11.html

Gold?  Who knows.  Nobody can seem to agree how much was under WTC 4, and how much was on trucks already.  My guess is somebodies probably sitting a shit load of gold right now.  Maybe some bums ran off with it, or maybe terrorists.  Maybe it was like Die Hard 3, all a diversion for the terrorists to snatch the gold.  Who cares really?   

[PJim]

lol you do know that russians like to take the piss on the usa.

the kgb used to spread ridiculous rumours about the usa back in the day.

besides, if it was taken down nuclear, then where is the radiation fallout?

how comes theres still ppl living in nyc

If you watch all of the videos it is all addressed.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Quad you are right on with what you are saying, it is blatantly obvious that the twin towers and building 7 were all controlled demolitions.  Most people that think otherwise haven't taken the time to look into the topic or actually read one of the many books out about it, or simply don't want to believe our government is capable of such a thing.   The New Pearl Harbor, and The New Pearl Harbor Revisited are both outstanding books if interested.  I don't see how anyone with a rational mind can believe the bullshit story that was fabricated by the 9/11 Commission.  

Many people have a "god complex"...They believe the world revolves around them. They can never believe that there are groups of people controlling almost every move we all make. They believe that hard work and luck are what make up the business world. However everything in their history points to the fact that we all have been gathering in "tribes"or "cliques" since we can were young.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

I'll buy that idea.  The question I have to all the conspiracy theororists is this.  If the govt was really responsible, why would they go to all the trouble of planes, demolition, etc?  Why wouldn't they just bomb the ever living shit out of the twin towers, blame it on terrorists, and call it a day?

Why doesn't a murderer use a gun every time they murder? How come after 9/11 the supposed "Terrorist" haven't set off pipe bombs in shopping malls? Hell 15 year old boys know how to make them. The fact that there weren't multiple events happening after 9/11 in the States is very telling to me.

[THE BOUNCER]

Do you guys even lift or what? 

[tommywishbone]

 

this thread is now concluded.

[Rami]

If a 200,000 lbs jet landed in your apartment, how would your floor boards hold up though?


I think it fell because the floor bords brakes then all the weigh falls down on next floor and so on.


Why is this surprising? 

[jwb]

From doing some more reading....

The engineers factored in a boeing 707 hitting the towers at normal speed, not a boeing 767 (which is much larger) and at full speed.

Air fuel was not factored in at all especially a near full tank since any plane thought to hit the tower would be one coming into land at nearby airports and low on fuel.

The big problem was the force of the impact dislodging so much fire resistant foam from the trusses.

[Twaddle]

From doing some more reading....

The engineers factored in a boeing 707 hitting the towers at normal speed, not a boeing 767 (which is much larger) and at full speed.

Air fuel was not factored in at all especially a near full tank since any plane thought to hit the tower would be one coming into land at nearby airports and low on fuel.

The big problem was the force of the impact dislodging so much fire resistant foam from the trusses.

Finally, somebody actually did some fire science research.  The removal of the insulation was a big factor.  That and the 767 delivered about 3.5 billion ft/lbs of energy into the building.  That's gonna fuck shit up structurally.   

[Seven Copper Coins]

Finally, somebody actually did some fire science research.  The removal of the insulation was a big factor.  That and the 767 delivered about 3.5 billion ft/lbs of energy into the building.  That's gonna fuck shit up structurally.   

This. I love the foil hats that say it was able to withstand that. Maybe, a much smaller plane and.....THEORETICALLY. Nobody ever thought it would happen, and certaiy not a jumbo jet loaded with fuel being used as a missile.

[Twaddle]

This. I love the foil hats that say it was able to withstand that. Maybe, a much smaller plane and.....THEORETICALLY. Nobody ever thought it would happen, and certaiy not a jumbo jet loaded with fuel being used as a missile.

To put 3.5 billion ft/lbs of energy into perspective, let's look at the Navy's new electromagnetic rail gun.  It launches a 7 lb projectile at 5400 mph.  That's roughly 6.8 million ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle.  Not on impact, but at the muzzle.

The 767 delivered around 3.5 billion ft/lbs of energy spread out over the area of impact zone, and decreased in energy as it went through the building.  The Navy's railgun delivers about 2 one thousanths the energy of the 767, or about 0.19% the energy.  You would need about 515 of the Navy's 7 lb projectiles launched at the same time, at 5400 mph to equal the energy delivered by the 767 that impacted the building.

Does anyone think that maybe, just maybe the structural beams inside the building were completely fucked?  Just maybe?   

[#1 Klaus fan]

To put 3.5 billion ft/lbs of energy into perspective, let's look at the Navy's new electromagnetic rail gun.  It launches a 7 lb projectile at 5400 mph.  That's roughly 6.8 million ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle.  Not on impact, but at the muzzle.

The 767 delivered around 3.5 billion ft/lbs of energy spread out over the area of impact zone, and decreased in energy as it went through the building.  The Navy's railgun delivers about 2 one thousanths the energy of the 767, or about 0.19% the energy.  You would need about 515 of the Navy's 7 lb projectiles launched at the same time, at 5400 mph to equal the energy delivered by the 767 that impacted the building.

Does anyone think that maybe, just maybe the structural beams inside the building were completely fucked?  Just maybe?   

The kinetic energy is equivalent to about 200 kg of explosives. That indeed is alot of energy. But we need to think how all that energy will affect the building. The relatively fragile and hollow plane has to exert enough force to deform the core structures that are 1-2" thick. If there is not enough force the kinetic energy will turn into heat and deformation of the plane.

[arce1988]

  Can we just take a poll?


  I think that the USA did it.

[quadzilla456]

  Can we just take a poll?


  I think that the USA did it.

USA did it under influence from the Zionists.

[quadzilla456]

Here is another gem - the pristine Pentagon Lawn after a airliner supposedly ripped through it and crashed into the ground level. Eye witnesses have been interviewed and contradicted the supposed flight path. They had a decoy plane fly over the Pentagon and then bombed it with a missile.

[Twaddle]

Here is another gem - the pristine Pentagon Lawn after a airliner supposedly ripped through it and crashed into the ground level. Eye witnesses have been interviewed and contradicted the supposed flight path. They had a decoy plane fly over the Pentagon and then bombed it with a missile.

So, what about the hundreds of eye witnesses that saw a plane fly into the pentagon?   

[quadzilla456]

[quadzilla456]

So, what about the hundreds of eye witnesses that saw a plane fly into the pentagon?  

List the names of the 100s that physically saw it fly into the Pentagon.

Here are some witnesses on video