Russian Skyscraper Fire vs. 9/11

[quadzilla456]

Ooo, what a genius. And that decoy plane turns invisible, because thousands of people see it flying toward the pentagon, but no one after that.

The plane was seen flying above the White House afterwards. It actually did not dissappear.  

[Seven Copper Coins]

Exactly! They thought they were sneaky by only releasing 4 frames but even those 4 frames make it clear there was no airliner crashing into the building.

Sneaky? Do you think they couldnt have doctored up a video and put a plane in?

I mean these are the same people who pulled off the largest controlled demolition in the history of the earth, silently and flawlessly...TWICE...and they did it with a few CIA guys posing as janitors. It would be small potatoes.

[quadzilla456]

Sneaky? Do you think they couldnt have doctored up a video and put a plane in?

I mean these are the same people who pulled off the largest controlled demolition in the history of the earth, silently and flawlessly...TWICE...and they did it with a few CIA guys posing as janitors. It would be small potatoes.

Well they didn't and there is not a plane in the video frames. Doctoring a plane into the video makes it obvious.

They had access to WTC before 911 to plant explosives. The day before I believe. The area was shutdown.

The White House posted a very amateurish forgery of Obama's birth certificate on their web site. How can they be that stupid? HAHA = perhaps they did not have a good graphic designer available?? I could have done a much better job for them.

[Seven Copper Coins]

Well they didn't and there is not a plane in the video frames. Doctoring a plane into the video makes it obvious.

They had access to WTC before 911 to plant explosives. The day before I believe. The area was shutdown.

The White House posted a very amateurish forgery of Obama's birth certificate on their web site. How can they be that stupid? HAHA = perhaps they did not have a good graphic designer available?? I could have done a much better job for them.

So the CIA wired up two of the largest buildings on the planet  with enough explosives that they would fall with 100% certainty in one day....hahahahaaaaaa

[3Dkiller]

100% inside job

[quadzilla456]

So the CIA wired up two of the largest buildings on the planet  with enough explosives that they would fall with 100% certainty in one day....hahahahaaaaaa

I don't know how many days it took or what technology was used. But how about an investigation to find out??!

All I said is they shut down the area the day before and had people coming and going at WTC. Just one more of the thousand other coincidences.

[Radical Plato]

So the CIA wired up two of the largest buildings on the planet  with enough explosives that they would fall with 100% certainty in one day....hahahahaaaaaa

Three buildings!, and the theory isn't that they did it that day, it was planned weeks before.  There were unprecedented planned power outages a week before the collapse that shut the security system down so that anybody could come and go as they please.  During this time their were witnesses that had seen large groups of mysterious workmen with large amounts of cable all throughout the building.  It also has to be noted that the director of the security company (Securacom) for the World Trade Centre, United Airlines and Dallas Airport was none other than George Bush's brother Marvin P. Bush.  And the CEO of the company was George Bush's cousin.

You really need to investigate the theories before you bleat out anything that just pops into your mind.  If some semi literate camel jockeys from the middle east can organise hijacking 4 planes, flying them into the World Trace Centre and the Pentagon, what makes you think the American Government, the leaders of the most powerful country in the world can't organise a simple demolition.

911 Mysteries - Full Length Documentaryhttp://vimeo.com/46940864

[Seven Copper Coins]

Three buildings!, and the theory isn't that they did it that day, it was planned weeks before.  There were unprecedented planned power outages a week before the collapse that shut the security system down so that anybody could come and go as they please.  During this time their were witnesses that had seen large groups of mysterious workmen with large amounts of cable all throughout the building.  It also has to be noted that the director of the security company (Securacom) for the World Trade Centre, United Airlines and Dallas Airport was none other than George Bush's brother Marvin P. Bush.  And the CEO of the company was George Bush's cousin.

You really need to investigate the theories before you bleat out anything that just pops into your mind.  If some semi literate camel jockeys from the middle east can organise hijacking 4 planes, flying them into the World Trace Centre and the Pentagon, what makes you think the American Government, the leaders of the most powerful country in the world can't organise a simple demolition.

911 Mysteries - Full Length Documentaryhttp://vimeo.com/46940864

Please show me one documented report of "large groups of MYSTERIOUS workmen"]

Thats the whole thing with the foil chewers...it's always "supposedly"...."people say"....."there are reports"

Who are these people, where are their reports that prove what they keep insisting on....cold hard facts. Because the cold,hard facts of physics aren't opinion and can't be shaded with provocative language.

[Radical Plato]

Please show me one documented report of "large groups of MYSTERIOUS workmen"]

Thats the whole thing with the foil chewers...it's always "supposedly"...."people say"....."there are reports"

Who are these people, where are their reports that prove what they keep insisting on....cold hard facts. Because the cold,hard facts of physics aren't opinion and can't be shaded with provocative language.

You really should just simply watch some of the documentaries via the links  provided, then you can make rebuttals to statements people are making in relation to 9/11.  It is obvious you haven't researched the issue.

Interview with Scott Forbes

Scott Forbes, who worked in the South Tower of the world trade center, witnessed a power-down of the tower in the weekend before 9/11.

I spoke with Scott Forbes by telephone for around a half hour in late 2004. I also arranged a video interview. However, due to delays by a third person in releasing that video, Scott and I agreed to post a written interview now to fill in some of the details of Scott's experience.

GENERAL BACKGROUND

GW: In 2001, you were working as an information technology specialist for Fiduciary Trust. Were you the main IT person for Fiduciary Trust, or were you an assistant IT person?

SF: I worked within an IT department of around 100 as a senior DBA [database administrator] and team leader.

GW: Fiduciary Trust had floors 90 and 94-97 of the South Tower at that time. Did you work on a specific floor, or did your duties normally keep you roaming on several floors?

SF: I and my technology colleagues worked on the 97th floor ... in the course of the day we would have meetings or give support on other floors but most our time would have been spent on the 97th floor.

THE WEEKEND OF SEPTEMBER 8TH AND 9TH

GW: You've previously stated that on the weekend of September 8 and 9, 2001, there was a "power down" condition in world trade center Tower 2, the South Tower, and that this power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approximately 36 hours from floor 50 up. Do you know what time the power-down started?

SF: All systems were shutdown on Saturday morning and the power down condition was in effect from approximately 12 noon on Saturday September 8, 2001.

GW: When did it end?

SF: Approximately 2PM on Sunday 9/9.

GW: How do you know that there was no electricity from floor 50 up, if Fiduciary Trust was on much higher floors -- starting at the 90th floor?

SF: I can't absolutely verify that there was no power on lower floors ... all I can validate is that we were informed of the power down condition, that we had to take down all systems and then the following day had to bring back up all systems ...

GW: You've previously stated that you were aware of the power down since you worked in the IT department and had to work with many others that weekend to ensure that all systems were cleanly shutdown beforehand ... and then brought back up afterwards. How many other Fiduciary Trust folks were you working with? Can any of them verify your story?

SF: Many, many people worked on the power down, both from the IT department and from the business, revalidating systems when they were available again. Other people can validate my information. Some people do not remember the circumstances, some people will not revisit that time ... but others acknowledge the power down freely and can validate my information.

GW: You said the reason given by the World Trade Center or Port Authority for the power down was that cabling in the tower was being upgraded. Do you know what parts of the building or how extensive the area would have been for upgrading cabling? In other words, would the area being worked on have been near the outer walls of the tower? Near the core? In the middle?

SF: I have no knowledge about this and can't comment ...

GW: You also stated that, without power, there were no security cameras. How do you know that? Could there have been backup generators which powered the security cameras?

SF: Within my company security cameras were monitored and videos retained for reference. They were powered from the usual power supplies so they would ave been out of action like all other electrical appliances.

GW: You also stated that, without power, there were security locks on doors. Are you just referring to outside doors, or also office doors? Were the locks electrical or key? If electrical, were they battery-operated?

SF: I was referring to the secure doors accessing my companies floors (and other companies). I do not believe there were any battery operated doors.

GW: You also stated there were many, many 'engineers' coming in and out of the tower. Did you see any of these folks yourself?

SF: Yes. By “engineers” I mean there were workmen on site, in overalls.

GW: Did these folks look "middle eastern"?

SF: No, not particularly, I mean I don't recall registering that the guys were of one racial group or another.

GW: Did you recognize any of them from previous "work" in the tower?

SF: NO

THE MORNING OF 9/11

GW: You were home on the shore of Jersey City on the morning of 9/11, and -- according to what you have said previously -- you were "convinced immediately that something was happening related to the weekend work". Why did you think that?

SF: When the South Tower collapsed, like a pillar of sand, it seemed unreal and inconceivable and I immediately thought something weird was going on. I became more suspicious several months later when the power down condition was never acknowledged and in some instances was denied by authorities.

THE 9/11 COMMISSION

GW: Finally, you've stated that you gave your information to the 9/11 Commission, but it took no interest. How did you get the info to the Commission (phone, email, letter?)

SF: I contacted the commission through their website and by mail. But I was never acknowledged nor contacted.

GW: Did the Commission ever follow up with you?

SF: No

GW: Anything else you wish to tell us?

SF: I have another piece of interesting information ... after 9/11 my company, along with others, was in disaster recovery mode at a location in New Jersey. At that site were literally hundreds and hundreds of eye witnesses to the events of 9/11. As a British National I was contacted by Scotland Yard in London to interview me on the events ... but I've often wondered why us authorities, like the New York police or FBI, did not interview all those witnesses available altogether in New Jersey. It seems like incompetence to me at best ... negligence at worst.

[Ropo]

People like Ropo are a perfect example of how well the system works, how it makes citizens resistant to question authority and to ridicule those who do.  The reason he gets so emotional and hysterical about 9/11 is because the thought that Governments don't have citizens best interests at heart cause him great anxiety, as it should do in those that have been properly indoctrinated.  To investigate 9/11 and not be suspicious is cause for concern, you don't need to believe it was a conspiracy, but at least acknowledge that all the pieces of the puzzle don't seem to fit together.  

I asked Ropo about the missing 3/4 billion dollars stored under the WTC and he just said it was false.  It was well documented how much money was stored there, and how much money was recovered.  Anything Ropo doesn't like the sound of he just calls it a claim or bullshit.  Ropo is a man who cannot stand the thought that he may be wrong, that everything isn't as black and white as he wants it to be.  His constant name calling of people who ask questions about suspicious events is indication of why Governments feel no resistance when it comes to duping the public, they know there is many people like Ropo who will lap up anything they are told, like the good little boy the Government raised them to be.

People like me are the people, who doesn't buy any bullshit as truth, and that is all there is. We are intelligent enough to realize, that if it look impossible, it is. For example, if that missing 3/4 billions are so well documented, where is the documents? And I don't mean foil hat idiots and their web sites full of bullshit, but real concrete evidence. Anyone can throw bunch of numbers and claim they are absolute truth, but it really doesn't mean they are. Furthermore, only reason you take this and point it out is simple. You simply run out from the answers regarding the non existent explosions or that fucking stupid pentagon cruise missile scenario, so you start to beat the bushes.

[Ropo]

Foil hat idiots playing with fire. Only imbecile can fell in that crap, and do you know why? What they are cutting there is something like 2% of the thickness of the real core column, and even that is too much to burn in one take, so they have done several takes to make the cut. In real life core colums were 18" x 35", and wall thickness was 4". Why they doesn't cut the real thing, but this tinfoil beam? Because they can't, because it is impossible. Because they will need few hundred kilos of thermite, ceramic  bathtub etc. to make it happen.

[Ropo]

I gather by your comment you don't find anything suspicious about 9/11.  What is strange about Ropo is that he is so angry that people don't believe the official story.  Why would he be so concerned if others find the event suspicious.  Even if you had never heard anything at all about 9/11 conspiracies, just to watch the collapse via video footage, anybody who had ever seen video of a controlled demolition would see the uncanny similarities.  For me, I just believe it is suspicious, I am not saying it is or isn't a conspiracy, but Ropo takes this extreme hard line stance like it is ridiculous to even question the Government.  I would still like a reasonable explanation as to what happened to the billion dollars stored under the WTC.  The non tin hats just ignore the question or outright deny their wasn't any gold or silver there.

I am not angry because people don't believe the "official story". I am angry about the imbeciles who believes every fucking foil hat  idiots theory without any thinking, because that my friend, is sign of the stupidity larger than life. I hate stupid and stupidity, not the people. For example, you are willing to believe that there were explosions in the WTC towers, but you are not willing to prove there was. I see with my own eyes that there isn't anything even tiny bit reminiscent of the explosions, so it is your task to prove there was. First of all, name the explosives which you can burn in the furnace up to hour, and they go off like planned. You can't so you rather write how ropo do this and that and how stupid he is. In the international language of the internet conversations, you seem to have use all your arguments and there fore you cant do anything but try to bully non believers.

[Ropo]

There was money involved as well fuckstick. The insurance Silverstein collected on a destroyed complex??? Just patching up the towers was not going to be an option. They could have flown over the towers and dumped water on it to control the fires. They have controlled much worse fires in skyscrapers before and after 911.

Money and power. Iraq was about oil and money. Afghanistan is about minerals, naturals gas and money.

And by controlling these zones it gives the Zionists more power to pursue their agendas.

Well, no. That is just plain nazi propaganda without any bit of truth. And what comes to zionist, if there wasn't that group, you run out or bread at no time. They feed you, they own the shops and malls not because they are jews, but because they are more clever than you. They own so much, because they know, that it is a crime to let morons keep their money. 

[Ropo]

God help us if the NWO plans does include a smaller, 500 million population with the majority of citizens being like Ropo. This could easily become a reality because only 1/14 people would have to be brainwashed like him which I think is very plausible.

He is obviously a very weak character.

Only little percent of americans believe this 9/11 bullshit to be conspiracy. What that means? It means that those true believers are the diarrhea  crap at the bottom of the geen pool, and majority of the people are smarter that those drooling imbeciles.

Just think about it? They see explosions where isn't any, they believe that tiny cruise missile can carry 30 tons of jet fuel etc. They believe all this crap without asking any evidence at all, so how stupid is that? And they say that they think it  with their own brains? How much you would pay for brains like that? If you try to sell them, all you can get in exchange is a pair of ape brains, little used.

[Ropo]

There were 85 surveillance cameras on the Pentagon, and aimed at the Pentagon from neighboring Hotels, Gas Stations, etc...

All footage was confiscated or "lost" immediately following the attack. These four frames were later released.

No, there was not. There is bunch of foil hat morons which say there is, but it simple isn't true. All those cameras were pointed where the owner wants them to point, which is their business. Not pentagon. Why some gas station would point it's cameras toward the pentagon, instead of the gas pumps where bunch dorks try to to fill up their cars while smoking, talking in their Nokia etc shit like that? Please explain that?

[Ropo]

Sneaky? Do you think they couldnt have doctored up a video and put a plane in?

I mean these are the same people who pulled off the largest controlled demolition in the history of the earth, silently and flawlessly...TWICE...and they did it with a few CIA guys posing as janitors. It would be small potatoes.

So true. World finest and largest conspiracy, but the fake video? "Sorry, no can do. 4 frames is all we can do. Sorry". Same bunch were counterfeiting the entire Apollo program material, hundred of thousand photos, hours of films, tons of crap from moon, but here: "four frames, that is all you get. Sorry"

[Ropo]

The plane was seen flying above the White House afterwards. It actually did not dissappear.  

Yes, and the narrator says there that it is confirmed that the plane was there for the security, not for the attac, so it has to be military plane, not the passenger jet. There is of course always the chance to beat all previous records of stupidity but what are the benefits of it?

[Ropo]

I don't know how many days it took or what technology was used. But how about an investigation to find out??!

All I said is they shut down the area the day before and had people coming and going at WTC. Just one more of the thousand other coincidences.

For most of the people of the world case is simple and closed. For those who are too dumb to understand it, there is different kind of institutions with the padded rooms and the jackets, which has very long sleeves. They don't start to investigate brainless rumors of the foil hat imbeciles.

[Ropo]

Please show me one documented report of "large groups of MYSTERIOUS workmen"]

Thats the whole thing with the foil chewers...it's always "supposedly"...."people say"....."there are reports"

Who are these people, where are their reports that prove what they keep insisting on....cold hard facts. Because the cold,hard facts of physics aren't opinion and can't be shaded with provocative language.

There was a bunch of mysterious workmen's, because buildings that big needs maintenance. There was loads of mysterious trucks and traffic, because buildings which has many restaurants, post offices, customs office, shops fo all kind etc. including 50 000 workers and daily 200 000 visitors in the towers. That is lots of people to feed, so there has to be plenty of food trucks, mail trucks etc. running in and out. So what about the mystic about this? It comes from the fools who don't understand there is that kind of logistic running all the time.

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[Radical Plato]

There was a bunch of mysterious workmen's, because buildings that big needs maintenance. There was loads of mysterious trucks and traffic, because buildings which has many restaurants, post offices, customs office, shops fo all kind etc. including 50 000 workers and daily 200 000 visitors in the towers. That is lots of people to feed, so there has to be plenty of food trucks, mail trucks etc. running in and out. So what about the mystic about this? It comes from the fools who don't understand there is that kind of logistic running all the time.

It would be nice if you read what others posted, the power outage was unprecedented, as confirmed by analyst who had Massive servers that needed to be powered 24/7.  Nobodies talking about the normal working of the building, everyone understands that buildings need servicing.  But their was an unusual outage that surprised some tenants and during that time their were workers coming and going that experienced staff had never seen before (including the janitor who had worked at the towers for over 20 years).  It was expressed later by one witness why it was barely mentioned after 9/11 and some Government officials even denied it.  For him, it was too much of a coincidence that their was this unusual power outage, lots of workmen and then shortly after the collapse of the towers.

It is people like you who give the confidence for Governments to do whatever they like.  When they see an event like 9/11 and the lemmings that buy up what they sell to them as a story, it is any wonder that they do as they please.  Regardless of if it was a conspiracy, your utter conviction about the issue, your ready convenient excuse for anything remotely out of the ordinary, is rather frightening.  If I was in Government, it is people like you that realise we can do and say anything and get away with it.  It doesn't make you Intelligent to agree with the Governments Official story on the matter, it just means you don't question their authority.  And anybody can do that.  I am not suggesting to always question authority, but it is important to do so when things seem shady, or events that will have a huge impact on everyone's life are being wrapped up onto a nice little bundle.

[Radical Plato]

People like me are the people, who doesn't buy any bullshit as truth, and that is all there is. We are intelligent enough to realize, that if it look impossible, it is.

LOL, so far no skyscraper has ever collapsed due to fire (making one think it is highly unlikely), and then 3 buildings collapse on the same day from fire.  Even all these years after, many buildings have burnt for way longer and still haven't collapsed.  I'm beginning to think that skyscrapers collapsing due to fire looks impossible, surely your intelligent enough to realise that.

[Radical Plato]

For most of the people of the world case is simple and closed. For those who are too dumb to understand it, there is different kind of institutions with the padded rooms and the jackets, which has very long sleeves. They don't start to investigate brainless rumors of the foil hat imbeciles.

Once again you provide lots of mis-information.  If you are talking people of the world then less than 50% of people buy the official story.  The rest of the people think that either the USA, Israel or some other group are responsible and 25% simply don't know.  And their is a group called 'Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth' that has the support of over 1,600 architectural and engineering professionals, hardly people wearing tin hats.  When you suggest that only fringe dwellers living in their Mums basement support a conspiracy theory, it makes you look silly, as we all know their are highly educated people, people far more educated than you could ever dream of, who don't buy into the Governments official version of what happened that day.  

Hani Hanjour, the Pilot who we are told flew the plain into the Pentagon, his Instructor had this to say about him '"His English was horrible, and his mechanical skills were even worse. It was like he had hardly even ever driven a car. I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon. He could not fly at all." and yet he supposedly pulled of maneourveres that many experienced pilots have come out and said they themselves could not perform.  Those crazy tin hats.

[syntaxmachine]

Would suckle the corn out of the shit out of her ass and make it into homemade nutella, spreading it across fresh, homemade bread from the villages.

[Ropo]

It would be nice if you read what others posted, the power outage was unprecedented, as confirmed by analyst who had Massive servers that needed to be powered 24/7.  Nobodies talking about the normal working of the building, everyone understands that buildings need servicing.  But their was an unusual outage that surprised some tenants and during that time their were workers coming and going that experienced staff had never seen before (including the janitor who had worked at the towers for over 20 years).  It was expressed later by one witness why it was barely mentioned after 9/11 and some Government officials even denied it.  For him, it was too much of a coincidence that their was this unusual power outage, lots of workmen and then shortly after the collapse of the towers.

It is people like you who give the confidence for Governments to do whatever they like.  When they see an event like 9/11 and the lemmings that buy up what they sell to them as a story, it is any wonder that they do as they please.  Regardless of if it was a conspiracy, your utter conviction about the issue, your ready convenient excuse for anything remotely out of the ordinary, is rather frightening.  If I was in Government, it is people like you that realise we can do and say anything and get away with it.  It doesn't make you Intelligent to agree with the Governments Official story on the matter, it just means you don't question their authority.  And anybody can do that.  I am not suggesting to always question authority, but it is important to do so when things seem shady, or events that will have a huge impact on everyone's life are being wrapped up onto a nice little bundle.

Evidence? There is none, so it is bullshit.