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The insatiable stupidity of Paul Krugman
« on: April 11, 2013, 04:11:35 AM »

I'll probably follow up with a brief synopsis on this man's abject stupidity and blind incompetence as an "economist", but first I invite you all to read for yourself:

- Krugman proclaims that California is making a comeback after State Auditors calculate net worth to be Minus 127 Billion Dollars and Stockton is approved for bankruptcy; http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/01/opinion/krugman-lessons-from-a-comeback.html

- Krugman recommends an alien invasion to boost economic growth: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/31/opinion/bombs-bridges-and-jobs.html

- Krugman advocates the artificial creation of a housing bubble to recover the American economy after the dotcom bubble; (Must Read) http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/02/opinion/dubya-s-double-dip.html?scp=4&sq=krugman%20mcculley%20bubble&st=cse

- Krugman predicts in 1998 that internet will be as obsolete as the fax machine by 2005: http://web.archive.org/web/19980610100009/www.redherring.com/mag/issue55/economics.html

There is literally an endless trail of nonsense originating from this man over the course of two decades. Is this "Nobel Prize Laureate" supposed to be the intellectual standard bearer of America's political class? Is it any wonder why the economy is such a disaster?

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Re: The insatiable stupidity of Paul Krugman
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2013, 04:54:48 AM »
StrawAnus advocates many of the same beliefs that the former Enron adviser Paul Krugman does.  :-X

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Re: The insatiable stupidity of Paul Krugman
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2013, 06:23:41 AM »
Never knew about the 1998 thing -  LMFAO!!!

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Re: The insatiable stupidity of Paul Krugman
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2013, 09:03:50 AM »
Another deluded psychopath who believes his own myth.

Sad thing is that some of his "Non Politically Driven Crazy Rantings" economic writings are actually quite good.

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Re: The insatiable stupidity of Paul Krugman
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2013, 09:32:00 AM »

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Re: The insatiable stupidity of Paul Krugman
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2013, 04:34:37 PM »
http://www.usnews.com/news/campaign-2008/articles/2008/11/05/barack-obama-wins-traditionally-red-indiana

The Economic Argument Is Over — And Paul Krugman Won

For the past five years, a fierce war of words and policies has been fought in America and other economically challenged countries around the world.
On one side were economists and politicians who wanted to increase government spending to offset weakness in the private sector. This "stimulus" spending, economists like Paul Krugman argued, would help reduce unemployment and prop up economic growth until the private sector healed itself and began to spend again.

On the other side were economists and politicians who wanted to cut spending to reduce deficits and "restore confidence." Government stimulus, these folks argued, would only increase debt loads, which were already alarmingly high. If governments did not cut spending, countries would soon cross a deadly debt-to-GDP threshold, after which growth would be permanently impaired. The countries would also be beset by hyper-inflation, as bond investors suddenly freaked out and demanded higher interest rates. Once government spending was cut, this theory went, deficits would shrink and "confidence" would return.
This debate has not just been academic.

Those in favor of economic stimulus won a brief victory in the depths of the financial crisis, with countries like the U.S. implementing stimulus packages. But the so-called "Austerians" fought back. And in the past several years, government policies in Europe and the U.S. have been shaped by the belief that governments had to cut spending or risk collapsing under the weight of staggering debts.

Over the course of this debate, evidence has gradually piled up that the "Austerians" were wrong. Japan, for example, has continued to increase its debt-to-GDP ratio well beyond the supposed collapse threshold, and its interest rates have remained stubbornly low. More notably, in Europe, countries that embraced (or were forced to adopt) austerity, like the U.K. and Greece, have endured multiple recessions (and, in the case of Greece, a depression). Moreover, because smaller economies produced less tax revenue, the countries' deficits also remained strikingly high.

So the empirical evidence increasingly favored the Nobel-prize winning Paul Krugman and the other economists and politicians arguing that governments could continue to spend aggressively until economic health was restored.
And then, last week, a startling discovery obliterated one of the key premises upon which the whole austerity movement was based.   An academic paper that found that a ratio of 90%-debt-to-GDP was a threshold above which countries experienced slow or no economic growth was found to contain an arithmetic calculation error.


Once the error was corrected, the "90% debt-to-GDP threshold" instantly disappeared. Higher government debt levels still correlated with slower economic growth, but the relationship was not nearly as pronounced. And there was no dangerous point-of-no-return that countries had to avoid exceeding at all costs.

The discovery of this simple math error eliminated one of the key "facts" upon which the austerity movement was based.  It also, in my opinion, settled the "stimulus vs. austerity" argument once and for all.  The argument is over. Paul Krugman has won. The only question now is whether the folks who have been arguing that we have no choice but to cut government spending while the economy is still weak will be big enough to admit that.   The discovery of the calculation error, after all, came only a few months after the United States voluntarily cut spending through a government "sequester." This sequester is hurting the U.S. economy, and it is also depriving American citizens of some basic services--like a fully staffed air-traffic control system--that most first-world countries regard as a given in a developed economy. And with America's government deficit already shrinking (thanks to the rollback of some tax cuts and a modest increase in taxes), it is now even clearer that the sequester did not have to be adopted.

Yes, at some point, the American government needs to come together and figure out a smart long-term plan for containing healthcare and military costs, which are the real budget-busters in our government spending. That long-term plan does not need to be adopted immediately, however.

And in the meantime, for the sake of the country, it would be nice if our government came together and agreed to restore full funding for basic services.
Because the current state of government dysfunction in the United States is not just economically harmful. It is also embarrassing, depressing, and based on a premise that is now demonstrably false.

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Re: The insatiable stupidity of Paul Krugman
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2013, 04:38:44 PM »
http://www.usnews.com/news/campaign-2008/articles/2008/11/05/barack-obama-wins-traditionally-red-indiana

The Economic Argument Is Over — And Paul Krugman Won

For the past five years, a fierce war of words and policies has been fought in America and other economically challenged countries around the world.
On one side were economists and politicians who wanted to increase government spending to offset weakness in the private sector. This "stimulus" spending, economists like Paul Krugman argued, would help reduce unemployment and prop up economic growth until the private sector healed itself and began to spend again.

On the other side were economists and politicians who wanted to cut spending to reduce deficits and "restore confidence." Government stimulus, these folks argued, would only increase debt loads, which were already alarmingly high. If governments did not cut spending, countries would soon cross a deadly debt-to-GDP threshold, after which growth would be permanently impaired. The countries would also be beset by hyper-inflation, as bond investors suddenly freaked out and demanded higher interest rates. Once government spending was cut, this theory went, deficits would shrink and "confidence" would return.
This debate has not just been academic.

Those in favor of economic stimulus won a brief victory in the depths of the financial crisis, with countries like the U.S. implementing stimulus packages. But the so-called "Austerians" fought back. And in the past several years, government policies in Europe and the U.S. have been shaped by the belief that governments had to cut spending or risk collapsing under the weight of staggering debts.

Over the course of this debate, evidence has gradually piled up that the "Austerians" were wrong. Japan, for example, has continued to increase its debt-to-GDP ratio well beyond the supposed collapse threshold, and its interest rates have remained stubbornly low. More notably, in Europe, countries that embraced (or were forced to adopt) austerity, like the U.K. and Greece, have endured multiple recessions (and, in the case of Greece, a depression). Moreover, because smaller economies produced less tax revenue, the countries' deficits also remained strikingly high.

So the empirical evidence increasingly favored the Nobel-prize winning Paul Krugman and the other economists and politicians arguing that governments could continue to spend aggressively until economic health was restored.
And then, last week, a startling discovery obliterated one of the key premises upon which the whole austerity movement was based.   An academic paper that found that a ratio of 90%-debt-to-GDP was a threshold above which countries experienced slow or no economic growth was found to contain an arithmetic calculation error.


Once the error was corrected, the "90% debt-to-GDP threshold" instantly disappeared. Higher government debt levels still correlated with slower economic growth, but the relationship was not nearly as pronounced. And there was no dangerous point-of-no-return that countries had to avoid exceeding at all costs.

The discovery of this simple math error eliminated one of the key "facts" upon which the austerity movement was based.  It also, in my opinion, settled the "stimulus vs. austerity" argument once and for all.  The argument is over. Paul Krugman has won. The only question now is whether the folks who have been arguing that we have no choice but to cut government spending while the economy is still weak will be big enough to admit that.   The discovery of the calculation error, after all, came only a few months after the United States voluntarily cut spending through a government "sequester." This sequester is hurting the U.S. economy, and it is also depriving American citizens of some basic services--like a fully staffed air-traffic control system--that most first-world countries regard as a given in a developed economy. And with America's government deficit already shrinking (thanks to the rollback of some tax cuts and a modest increase in taxes), it is now even clearer that the sequester did not have to be adopted.

Yes, at some point, the American government needs to come together and figure out a smart long-term plan for containing healthcare and military costs, which are the real budget-busters in our government spending. That long-term plan does not need to be adopted immediately, however.

And in the meantime, for the sake of the country, it would be nice if our government came together and agreed to restore full funding for basic services.
Because the current state of government dysfunction in the United States is not just economically harmful. It is also embarrassing, depressing, and based on a premise that is now demonstrably false.


I can tell you won the argument because your font is the biggest!
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Re: The insatiable stupidity of Paul Krugman
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2013, 04:42:20 PM »
I can tell you won the argument because your font is the biggest!

yep and if you read the text you'll know it for sure


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Re: The insatiable stupidity of Paul Krugman
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2013, 06:05:18 PM »
I'll probably follow up with a brief synopsis on this man's abject stupidity and blind incompetence as an "economist", but first I invite you all to read for yourself:

- Krugman proclaims that California is making a comeback after State Auditors calculate net worth to be Minus 127 Billion Dollars and Stockton is approved for bankruptcy; http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/01/opinion/krugman-lessons-from-a-comeback.html

- Krugman recommends an alien invasion to boost economic growth: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/31/opinion/bombs-bridges-and-jobs.html

- Krugman advocates the artificial creation of a housing bubble to recover the American economy after the dotcom bubble; (Must Read) http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/02/opinion/dubya-s-double-dip.html?scp=4&sq=krugman%20mcculley%20bubble&st=cse

- Krugman predicts in 1998 that internet will be as obsolete as the fax machine by 2005: http://web.archive.org/web/19980610100009/www.redherring.com/mag/issue55/economics.html

There is literally an endless trail of nonsense originating from this man over the course of two decades. Is this "Nobel Prize Laureate" supposed to be the intellectual standard bearer of America's political class? Is it any wonder why the economy is such a disaster?

Damn! What is this world coming to? The End is Here!!!

How do I know? ...Whorewell and I are actually in agreement on something. Krugman is an idiot!
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Re: The insatiable stupidity of Paul Krugman
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2013, 06:26:52 PM »
http://www.usnews.com/news/campaign-2008/articles/2008/11/05/barack-obama-wins-traditionally-red-indiana

The Economic Argument Is Over — And Paul Krugman Won

For the past five years, a fierce war of words and policies has been fought in America and other economically challenged countries around the world.
On one side were economists and politicians who wanted to increase government spending to offset weakness in the private sector. This "stimulus" spending, economists like Paul Krugman argued, would help reduce unemployment and prop up economic growth until the private sector healed itself and began to spend again.

On the other side were economists and politicians who wanted to cut spending to reduce deficits and "restore confidence." Government stimulus, these folks argued, would only increase debt loads, which were already alarmingly high. If governments did not cut spending, countries would soon cross a deadly debt-to-GDP threshold, after which growth would be permanently impaired. The countries would also be beset by hyper-inflation, as bond investors suddenly freaked out and demanded higher interest rates. Once government spending was cut, this theory went, deficits would shrink and "confidence" would return.
This debate has not just been academic.

Those in favor of economic stimulus won a brief victory in the depths of the financial crisis, with countries like the U.S. implementing stimulus packages. But the so-called "Austerians" fought back. And in the past several years, government policies in Europe and the U.S. have been shaped by the belief that governments had to cut spending or risk collapsing under the weight of staggering debts.

Over the course of this debate, evidence has gradually piled up that the "Austerians" were wrong. Japan, for example, has continued to increase its debt-to-GDP ratio well beyond the supposed collapse threshold, and its interest rates have remained stubbornly low. More notably, in Europe, countries that embraced (or were forced to adopt) austerity, like the U.K. and Greece, have endured multiple recessions (and, in the case of Greece, a depression). Moreover, because smaller economies produced less tax revenue, the countries' deficits also remained strikingly high.

So the empirical evidence increasingly favored the Nobel-prize winning Paul Krugman and the other economists and politicians arguing that governments could continue to spend aggressively until economic health was restored.
And then, last week, a startling discovery obliterated one of the key premises upon which the whole austerity movement was based.   An academic paper that found that a ratio of 90%-debt-to-GDP was a threshold above which countries experienced slow or no economic growth was found to contain an arithmetic calculation error.


Once the error was corrected, the "90% debt-to-GDP threshold" instantly disappeared. Higher government debt levels still correlated with slower economic growth, but the relationship was not nearly as pronounced. And there was no dangerous point-of-no-return that countries had to avoid exceeding at all costs.

The discovery of this simple math error eliminated one of the key "facts" upon which the austerity movement was based.  It also, in my opinion, settled the "stimulus vs. austerity" argument once and for all.  The argument is over. Paul Krugman has won. The only question now is whether the folks who have been arguing that we have no choice but to cut government spending while the economy is still weak will be big enough to admit that.   The discovery of the calculation error, after all, came only a few months after the United States voluntarily cut spending through a government "sequester." This sequester is hurting the U.S. economy, and it is also depriving American citizens of some basic services--like a fully staffed air-traffic control system--that most first-world countries regard as a given in a developed economy. And with America's government deficit already shrinking (thanks to the rollback of some tax cuts and a modest increase in taxes), it is now even clearer that the sequester did not have to be adopted.

Yes, at some point, the American government needs to come together and figure out a smart long-term plan for containing healthcare and military costs, which are the real budget-busters in our government spending. That long-term plan does not need to be adopted immediately, however.

And in the meantime, for the sake of the country, it would be nice if our government came together and agreed to restore full funding for basic services.
Because the current state of government dysfunction in the United States is not just economically harmful. It is also embarrassing, depressing, and based on a premise that is now demonstrably false.


Your large font notwithstanding, the article you posted above is 100%, unadulterated nonsense. There isn't a single fact scattered among the mishmash of unverifiable assumptions, poorly placed adjectives, painful attempts to connect with "real" Americans by sounding like an idiot (investors like "freaked out" man  ::) ) and numerous instances of embarrassingly stupid political rhetoric. The authors painfully obvious lack of objectivity is par for the course when it comes to Krugman supporters. Reality goes out the window and "imagination" runs amok. Unfortunately, economics is about facts and figures, not mindless talking points.  

And FYI-- where is the source for that article?

The link you posted is to an article from 2008 detailing Obama's victory in Indiana.  ::)


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Re: The insatiable stupidity of Paul Krugman
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2013, 06:34:53 PM »
Space Alien invasions anyone?

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Re: The insatiable stupidity of Paul Krugman
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2013, 06:38:20 PM »
Your large font notwithstanding, the article you posted above is 100%, unadulterated nonsense. There isn't a single fact scattered among the mishmash of unverifiable assumptions, poorly placed adjectives, painful attempts to connect with "real" Americans by sounding like an idiot (investors like "freaked out" man  ::) ) and numerous instances of embarrassingly stupid political rhetoric. The authors painfully obvious lack of objectivity is par for the course when it comes to Krugman supporters. Reality goes out the window and "imagination" runs amok. Unfortunately, economics is about facts and figures, not mindless talking points. 

feel free to say SPECIFICALLY what is nonsense

Is the FACT that Reinhardt and Rogoff made a material error in their calculations and when corrected their entire premise that growth came to a halt @ 90% Debt to GDP Ratio nonsense (see chart below with the results based on the error and then the corretion)

were the statement about the effect of austerity in the Eurozone nonsense

what exactly is nonsense?


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Re: The insatiable stupidity of Paul Krugman
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2013, 06:39:43 PM »

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Re: The insatiable stupidity of Paul Krugman
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2013, 06:42:31 PM »
We are at 100  percent debt to gdp ration now with the Obams Thugocracy spending us into oblivion and thebest we get is 2% increase in GDP w the fed pumping in 80 billion a month?

Please - you and krugman and the failures who believe like you do are a joke

feel free to say SPECIFICALLY what is nonsense

Is the FACT that Reinhardt and Rogoff made a material error in their calculations and when corrected their entire premise that growth came to a halt @ 90% Debt to GDP Ratio nonsense (see chart below with the results based on the error and then the corretion)

were the statement about the effect of austerity in the Eurozone nonsense

what exactly is nonsense?



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Re: The insatiable stupidity of Paul Krugman
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2013, 06:55:00 PM »
We are at 100  percent debt to gdp ration now with the Obams Thugocracy spending us into oblivion and thebest we get is 2% increase in GDP w the fed pumping in 80 billion a month?

Please - you and krugman and the failures who believe like you do are a joke


and as was pointed out being above 90% is not a tipping point

That was in fact a error (some might say a lie since they conveniently excluded data from countries that didn't support the preconceived premise).   Our Debt to GDP ratio was much higher after WW2 than it is now

I do find it funny that a loser who can't get his sorry ass out of the ghetto is calling anyone a failure

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Re: The insatiable stupidity of Paul Krugman
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2018, 09:26:59 AM »
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/krugman-trump-global-recession-2016-231055


How did that prediction work out for you Muppet man?