S&P hits ALL TIME HIGH under President Obama !!!!

[Soul Crusher]

Either way historic 120% stock market rally under Obama 

So maybe obama stalemated in the congress is a good thing?    

[tu_holmes]

So maybe obama stalemated in the congress is a good thing?    

Hell yes it is.

I hope nothing passes. The best way for the US is for neither side to be able to get anything done.

[Donny]

well all i can say is i support your Democrats

[Straw Man]

You're right... They are not of much substance.

The first post has a little... The others absolutely none.

make no difference to me

it's no like I win anything by proving you're wrong so not worth any more of my time

[Straw Man]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAH.

Sorry, this post is so fucking dumb and deluded. C'mon, Straw, you're better than this.

great job providing not one specific detail in your objection

how about this - Obama and the Dems cut taxes on middle and lower income, extended unemployment benefits, did their best to pass jobs legislation, and the healthcare legislation helps the middle and lower classes. 

those are just a few examples to support my statement

what do you have to support yours?

[Soul Crusher]

great job providing not one specific detail in your objection

how about this - Obama and the Dems cut taxes on middle and lower income, extended unemployment benefits, did their best to pass jobs legislation, and the healthcare legislation helps the middle and lower classes. 

those are just a few examples to support my statement

what do you have to support yours?

How does paying skyrocketing health premiums and energy prices help the middle class? 

[Straw Man]

How does paying skyrocketing health premiums and energy prices help the middle class? 

simple

neither one of your statements is true

energy prices are not controlled by Obama and are not skyrocketing and the poor and middle class will have more access to healthcare then prior to the legislation

[MCWAY]

great job providing not one specific detail in your objection

how about this - Obama and the Dems cut taxes on middle and lower income, extended unemployment benefits, did their best to pass jobs legislation, and the healthcare legislation helps the middle and lower classes. 

those are just a few examples to support my statement

what do you have to support yours?

Other than unemployment being at least 8% for nearly all of his first term?

Did their best to pass job legislation? PLEASE!!! The Dems controlled all of Washington his first two years. Obama didn't do SQUAT to pass job legislation, until the Dems lost the House.

As for ObamaCare helping the middle class, that's a joke. How many threads have been posted here about the HIKES in premiums and how the middle class (not those EEEEVVVVVIIIILLLL rich people) are getting shanked? Thousands of dollars in higher prices.....


Not to mention, people are getting laid off or their hours reduced due to ObamaCare. Please explain how that's helping those middle class and poor folk again.

[Straw Man]

Other than unemployment being at least 8% for nearly all of his first term?

Did their best to pass job legislation? PLEASE!!! The Dems controlled all of Washington his first two years. Obama didn't do SQUAT to pass job legislation, until the Dems lost the House.

As for ObamaCare helping the middle class, that's a joke. How many threads have been posted here about the HIKES in premiums and how the middle class (not those EEEEVVVVVIIIILLLL rich people) are getting shanked? Thousands of dollars in higher prices.....


Not to mention, people are getting laid off or their hours reduced due to ObamaCare. Please explain how that's helping those middle class and poor folk again.

how many times have we've been over that lie now

An UE  although not great is MUCH better than when he took office

you want to know the definitive proof that things are better now than when he took office

He was voted to a 2nd term in office

[MCWAY]

how many times have we've been over that lie now

You mean the lies YOU keep spewing, in your pitiful Obama worship? Which party ran the House from 2009 to 2011? Which party ran the Senate from 2009 to 2011? Which party ran the White House from 2009 to 2011?

And, HOW did we end up with ObamaCare?

Oh, YOUR premium went down. So, obviously all the other people, complaining about hikes (many of who voted for Obama) are just fibbing.  

An UE  although not great is MUCH better than when he took office

The numbers are almost IDENTICAL. How is 7.6% "MUCH better than".....7.6%, especially given all the money he's blown? And, even the in-the-tank-for-Obama press has admitted that the primary/sole reason the numbers got lower is because PEOPLE STOPPED LOOKING FOR WORK, not because Obama and the Dems created any jobs.

you want to know the definitive proof that things are better now than when he took office

He was voted to a 2nd term in office

WRONG!!

What that proves is we have a more government-dependent, woefully-misinformed electorate, coupled by a guy who managed to blame everyone but himself for his failing policies (aided by an in-the-tank-media and an opponent who bungled key opportunities to beat him at critical times).

Does 333386 have to break out that graph again to show where Obama and his team projected unemployment would be at this point?

But, if all you're judging Obama's success by is the fact he got re-elected, you shouldn't have ZIP to say about the failures of his predecessor, who also got re-elected.

But, Obama is right about one thing: Elections have consequences. And, those consequences are going to hit America like a ton of bricks, with many Obama sheep bleating en masse for the next 3^1/2 years.

[Straw Man]

You mean the lies YOU keep spewing, in your pitiful Obama worship? Which party ran the House from 2009 to 2011? Which party ran the Senate from 2009 to 2011? Which party ran the White House from 2009 to 2011?

And, HOW did we end up with ObamaCare?

Oh, YOUR premium went down. So, obviously all the other people, complaining about hikes (many of who voted for Obama) are just fibbing.  

The numbers are almost IDENTICAL. How is 7.6% "MUCH better than".....7.6%, especially given all the money he's blown? And, even the in-the-tank-for-Obama press has admitted that the primary/sole reason the numbers got lower is because PEOPLE STOPPED LOOKING FOR WORK, not because Obama and the Dems created any jobs.

WRONG!!

What that proves is we have a more government-dependent, woefully-misinformed electorate, coupled by a guy who managed to blame everyone but himself for his failing policies (aided by an in-the-tank-media and an opponent who bungled key opportunities to beat him at critical times).

Does 333386 have to break out that graph again to show where Obama and his team projected unemployment would be at this point?

But, if all you're judging Obama's success by is the fact he got re-elected, you shouldn't have ZIP to say about the failures of his predecessor, who also got re-elected.

But, Obama is right about one thing: Elections have consequences. And, those consequences are going to hit America like a ton of bricks, with many Obama sheep bleating en masse for the next 3^1/2 years.

I have no time or patience to refute the same lie over and over again

Screen shot and link provided

Continue to believe whatever you'd like

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/did-the-democrats-ever-really-have-60-votes-in-the-senate-and-for-how-long/

So, to the extent there was a filibuster proof majority in the Senate it lasted during two brief periods which lasted for a total of just over five months when counted altogether (and Congress was in its traditional summer recess for most of the July-August 2009 time frame).

[MCWAY]

I have no time or patience to refute the same lie over and over again

Correction: You refuse to defend that bald-faced lie you keep spewing, because the facts will tear it apart.

Screen shot and link provided

Continue to believe whatever you'd like

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/did-the-democrats-ever-really-have-60-votes-in-the-senate-and-for-how-long/

So, to the extent there was a filibuster proof majority in the Senate it lasted during two brief periods which lasted for a total of just over five months when counted altogether (and Congress was in its traditional summer recess for most of the July-August 2009 time frame).

And, the reason Obama couldn't get his precious jobs bill passed, when they have that supermajority for 5 months would be.........

Would you like some Grey Poupon with that foot of yours?

Even without a supermajority, they had plenty of Dems in the Senate, coupled with some easily-pliable RINOs to get stuff done, if that were their true focus.

Not to mention that the "independents" were effectively Democrats (Lieberman called himself that at the GOP convention, when he endorse McCain, for goodness sake; Bernie Sanders makes Harry Reid sound like Rush Limbaugh).


One more time, Straw, Which party ran the House from 2009 to 2011? Which party ran the Senate from 2009 to 2011? Which party ran the White House from 2009 to 2011?

[Straw Man]

Correction: You refuse to defend that bald-faced lie you keep spewing, because the facts will tear it apart.

And, the reason Obama couldn't get his precious jobs bill passed, when they have that supermajority for 5 months would be.........

Would you like some Grey Poupon with that foot of yours?

Even without a supermajority, they had plenty of Dems in the Senate, coupled with some easily-pliable RINOs to get stuff done, if that were their true focus.

Not to mention that the "independents" were effectively Democrats (Lieberman called himself that at the GOP convention, when he endorse McCain, for goodness sake; Bernie Sanders makes Harry Reid sound like Rush Limbaugh).

name the bill you're referring to so that we can both see when it was proposed

[MCWAY]

name the bill you're referring to so that we can both see when it was proposed

That's the point you can't get drilled through your head. If Obama and the Dems were so fired up about passing a jobs bill, they could have EASILY proposed and passed one, when they had a SUPERMAJORITY in the Senate which the GOP could not stop.

It's not as if they haven't tried to rush bill through Congress before.

Let me put this in terms you can perhaps understand: Go back at least 8 years and imagine that George W. Bush has 60 GOPers in the Senate and a big majorityof Republicans in the House. Imagine the kind of laws he could have passed......Let that marinate in your head for a while.

[Straw Man]

That's the point you can't get drilled through your head. If Obama and the Dems were so fired up about passing a jobs bill, they could have EASILY proposed and passed one, when they had a SUPERMAJORITY in the Senate which the GOP could not stop.

It's not as if they haven't tried to rush bill through Congress before.

Let me put this in terms you can perhaps understand: Go back at least 8 years and imagine that George W. Bush has 60 GOPers in the Senate and a big majorityof Republicans in the House. Imagine the kind of laws he could have passed......Let that marinate in your head for a while.

so from the statement above I assume you're admitting that Dems didn't have a majority for most of the 2 years that they ran the House and that the two period they had control were mostly during the summer recess

and all that is to refute my original point that Dems did their best to pass jobs legislation (i.e they put forth legislation that would have helped both Veterans and small business and Repubs blocked them both)

they did afterall put forth jobs bills that were blocked by Repubs

do you dispute that?

[MCWAY]

so from the statement above I assume you're admitting that Dems didn't have a majority for most of the 2 years that they ran the House and that the two period they had control were mostly during the summer recess

Apparently, despite your very posts, you can't COUNT. The Dems had the majority in the Senate; your own graph shows that.

and all that is to refute my original point that Dems did their best to pass jobs legislation (i.e they put forth legislation that would have helped both Veterans and small business and Repubs blocked them both)

they did afterall put forth jobs bills that were blocked by Repubs

do you dispute that?

As usual, when your quips get shot down, you invent more foolishness. Apparently you don't know the difference between a majority and a supermajority. And when a party has more of its members in a house of Congress than its opponent does, they are deemed to have control of that house.

But, by your rationale, the Dems don't really have control of the Senate now because they don't have 60 members. 

And you ducked the question, yet again, as to why the Dems couldn't propse and pass jobs bills when they did have a supermajority in the Senate. They did it with ObamaCare.

[tu_holmes]

Apparently, despite your very posts, you can't COUNT. The Dems had the majority in the Senate; your own graph shows that.
 
As usual, when your quips get shot down, you invent more foolishness. Apparently you don't know the difference between a majority and a supermajority. And when a party has more of its members in a house of Congress than its opponent does, they are deemed to have control of that house.

But, by your rationale, the Dems don't really have control of the Senate now because they don't have 60 members. 

And you ducked the question, yet again, as to why the Dems couldn't propse and pass jobs bills when they did have a supermajority in the Senate. They did it with ObamaCare.

This is very true... If you can push ObamaCare without a supermajority, you certainly could have pressed a jobs bill through.

"It's the economy, stupid." Right?

[MCWAY]

This is very true... If you can push ObamaCare without a supermajority, you certainly could have pressed a jobs bill through.

"It's the economy, stupid." Right?

I think you mean, If you can push ObamaCare WITH a supermajority, you certainly could have pressed a jobs bill through..

[Straw Man]

That's the point you can't get drilled through your head. If Obama and the Dems were so fired up about passing a jobs bill, they could have EASILY proposed and passed one, when they had a SUPERMAJORITY in the Senate which the GOP could not stop.

It's not as if they haven't tried to rush bill through Congress before.

Let me put this in terms you can perhaps understand: Go back at least 8 years and imagine that George W. Bush has 60 GOPers in the Senate and a big majorityof Republicans in the House. Imagine the kind of laws he could have passed......Let that marinate in your head for a while.

so if they didn't do it during the two brief periods when they had a majority the McWay declares they didn't make their best effort and you'll just ignore the fact that Repubs later blocked jobs bills to help Veterans and small business

My original point was that Dems had made more efforts to help the poor and middle class then Repubs had done

[tu_holmes]

I think you mean, If you can push ObamaCare WITH a supermajority, you certainly could have pressed a jobs bill through..

Oh... I thought they just did it with a regular majority... not a super-majority.

[Straw Man]

This is very true... If you can push ObamaCare without a supermajority, you certainly could have pressed a jobs bill through.

"It's the economy, stupid." Right?

great point

explain to me why Repubs blocked a jobs bill to help small business and another one to help vets?

[MCWAY]

Oh... I thought they just did it with a regular majority... not a super-majority.

Nope!! Christmas Eve 2009, Reid held the vote and it passed 60-39.

And, as usual, Straw is wailing his pitiful excuses as to why the Dems could do something similar with a jobs bill (far less convulted and complicated than ObamaCare was) with a supermajority.

[tu_holmes]

great point

explain to me why Repubs blocked a jobs bill to help small business and another one to help vets?

What does that matter right? Obama could have made it happen if he wanted it, couldn't he?

He made Obamacare happen and they (Repubs) blocked that too right?

[MCWAY]

so if they didn't do it during the two brief periods when they had a majority the McWay declares they didn't make their best effort and you'll just ignore the fact that Repubs later blocked jobs bills to help Veterans and small business

My original point was that Dems had made more efforts to help the poor and middle class then Repubs had done

The Buffalo Bills made 4 effort to win a Super Bowl, too. How did that turn out?

MY original point was that the Dems' efforts didn't get the job done. And the numbers prove it.

[MCWAY]

What does that matter right? Obama could have made it happen if he wanted it, couldn't he?

He made Obamacare happen and they (Repubs) blocked that too right?

And, ObamaCare (as predicted) cost way more than Obama said it would and didn't work as he said it would.

It didn't decrease premiums, lower the deficit, or guarantee people could keep the policies they like.

And, he and his party had to LIE their keisters off about it not being a tax. Yet, Obama's lawyers defended ObamaCare as a tax under oath in court. The Supreme Court's ruling that ObamaCare was indeed a massive tax (what we conservatives said it was from the jump) was the ONLY reason it was upheld.