S&P hits ALL TIME HIGH under President Obama !!!!

[tu_holmes]

And, ObamaCare (as predicted) cost way more than Obama said it would and didn't work as he said it would.

It didn't decrease premiums, lower the deficit, or guarantee people could keep the policies they like.

And, he and his party had to LIE their keisters off about it not being a tax. Yet, Obama's lawyers defended ObamaCare as a tax under oath in court. The Supreme Court's ruling that ObamaCare was indeed a massive tax (what we conservatives said it was from the jump) was the ONLY reason it was upheld.

All true statements.

Can't argue any of that on any particular point.

[Straw Man]

What does that matter right? Obama could have made it happen if he wanted it, couldn't he?

He made Obamacare happen and they (Repubs) blocked that too right?

how exactly

btw - are we still arguing the point that GigantorX original post is or is not a Republican wet dream (my statement)

One of my claims was that Dems have done more (and attempted to do more) for the poor and middle class

Nothing posted by either you or McWay refutes that statement

Neither of you have posted anything showing that the Repubs have made any effort to help the poor or middle class

[MCWAY]

how exactly

btw - are we still arguing the point that GigantorX original post is or is not a Republican wet dream (my statement)

One of my claims was that Dems have done more (and attempted to do more) for the poor and middle class

Nothing posted by either you or McWay refutes that statement

I not only refute your statement; I've shown how ineffective these supposed successful attempts are. How many months was unemployment above 8% again, the very mark over which Obama's team said unemployment would never exceed, were his precious stimulus passed?

Black unemployment....what are those numbers under those oh-so-helpful Democrats? Not to mention the food stamp rolls......

Neither of you have posted anything showing that the Repubs have made any effort to help the poor or middle class

The way the Dems help the poor is by adding to their ranks. BTW, the DC Opportunity scholarships for poor black children....Who shut that down again? Who fought to bring it back?

[Straw Man]

I not only refute your statement; I've shown how ineffective these supposed successful attempts are. How many months was unemployment above 8% again, the very mark over which Obama's team said unemployment would never exceed, were his precious stimulus passed?

Black unemployment....what are those numbers under those oh-so-helpful Democrats? Not to mention the food stamp rolls......

The way the Dems help the poor is by adding to their ranks. BTW, the DC Opportunity scholarships for poor black children....Who shut that down again? Who fought to bring it back?

lower than the day he took office and no thanks to Repubs

I wonder if the voters will blame Obama for the UE rate in the 2012 election

[MCWAY]

lower than the day he took office and no thanks to Repubs

Ummm.....Obama's team didn't say it'd just be lower than the day he took office. It was NOT to exceed 8% and was to be in the 5s by late 2012.

I don't know how good your math is. But 7.6 ain't lower than 7.6, especially when it has ZILCH to do with Obama's policies being effective. Or, did you miss last week's report that clearly stated that UE number went down because over 600,000 people STOPPED LOOKING FOR WORK.

I wonder if the voters will blame Obama for the UE rate in the 2012 election

Some people have to learn the hard way. Elections have consequences and, as I said earlier, the Obama sheep like you will do the most bleating when they get hammered.

[tonymctones]

how exactly

btw - are we still arguing the point that GigantorX original post is or is not a Republican wet dream (my statement)

One of my claims was that Dems have done more (and attempted to do more) for the poor and middle class

Nothing posted by either you or McWay refutes that statement

Neither of you have posted anything showing that the Repubs have made any effort to help the poor or middle class

getting govt out of your way isnt helping?

does the govt have to be in your life to help you out?

[Straw Man]

Ummm.....Obama's team didn't say it'd just be lower than the day he took office. It was NOT to exceed 8% and was to be in the 5s by late 2012.

I don't know how good your math is. But 7.6 ain't lower than 7.6, especially when it has ZILCH to do with Obama's policies being effective. Or, did you miss last week's report that clearly stated that UE number went down because over 600,000 people STOPPED LOOKING FOR WORK.


Some people have to learn the hard way. Elections have consequences and, as I said earlier, the Obama sheep like you will do the most bleating when they get hammered.

holy shit
if the voters find out about this he will never get re-elected

[MCWAY]

holy shit
if the voters find out about this he will never get re-elected

And we all know YOU judge successful presidents by their getting re-elected, which would explain why you're so high on that Bush fellow. I mean who cares about what happened the last year of his presidency. He got re-elected in 2004; that means he was an automatic success, policies or no policies.

[Straw Man]

And we all know YOU judge successful presidents by their getting re-elected, which would explain why you're so high on that Bush fellow. I mean who cares about what happened the last year of his presidency. He got re-elected in 2004; that means he was an automatic success, policies or no policies.

certainly successful as a politician

let's see what the end of Obama's 2nd term looks like and then decide

so far it's looking ok (and really good in some places) considering where we started from

[MCWAY]

certainly successful as a politician

How silly for people to actually count success, based on DELIVERING as advertised. 

let's see what the end of Obama's 2nd term looks like and then decide

so far it's looking ok (and really good in some places) considering where we started from

600,000 people drop out of the workforce.....that ain't "OK".

20 million more on food stamps than in 2009....that ain't "OK".

More debt that all of his predecessors combined......that ain't "OK".

People's hours being reduced, their premiums skyrocketing (contrary to the president's claim) and their beind dropped from the plans they like (despite the president's promises)....That ain't "OK".

Over half of college grads aren't working in their fields of their degree.....that ain't "OK".

[Pray_4_War]

"But, but, but, the stock market is doing great"

This was the exact same excuse the Republicans used before the bottom fell out of the economy.  It's not legitimate.  It's a bubble created by the .gov printing money among other things.  It's all funny money.  This thing is going to take a dive and it's going to be ugly.

Regardless of what political party you want to blame for it, this country is being fucking looted.  Politicians, bankers and stock brokers are getting everything they can get before they set a match to the whole thing.  The treasury, your savings accounts, 401k accounts, everything.  Looted.

[Straw Man]

"But, but, but, the stock market is doing great"

This was the exact same excuse the Republicans used before the bottom fell out of the economy.  It's not legitimate.  It's a bubble created by the .gov printing money among other things.  It's all funny money.  This thing is going to take a dive and it's going to be ugly.

Regardless of what political party you want to blame for it, this country is being fucking looted.  Politicians, bankers and stock brokers are getting everything they can get before they set a match to the whole thing.  The treasury, your savings accounts, 401k accounts, everything.  Looted.

this sounds completely sane

tell us more

[Soul Crusher]

certainly successful as a politician

let's see what the end of Obama's 2nd term looks like and then decide

so far it's looking ok (and really good in some places) considering where we started from

Lmfao.

[Pray_4_War]

this sounds completely sane

tell us more

I'm sorry that you don't see what is happening right in front of your face.  Your leftist ideology must be clouding your perception of reality.  That's not to say that only Democrats are doing the looting.  It's been happening for quite some time.

[Straw Man]

I'm sorry that you don't see what is happening right in front of your face.  Your leftist ideology must be clouding your perception of reality.  That's not to say that only Democrats are doing the looting.  It's been happening for quite some time.

what's happening right in front of my face is that my home has gone up in value 150k since Obama got in office and my income last year was the best it has been since ~ 2005 and this year is on track (per my 1Q13 #'s) to be even better

what's happening in front of your face?

[Soul Crusher]

what's happening right in front of my face is that my home has gone up in value 150k since Obama got in office and my income last year was the best it has been since ~ 2005 and this year is on track (per my 1Q13 #'s) to be even better

what's happening in front of your face?

What specifically did obama do or law he signed that is the cause of that? 

[Straw Man]

What specifically did obama do or law he signed that is the cause of that? 

I didn't say Obama "caused" any of it though the RE market and the economy was crashing when he took office and it's doing much better now

That has helped the RE market to recover in my area

My increase in income is due in part to the improvement in the economy and in equal or larger part to my own hard work

I guess I could have spent the last 4 years on this board pissing and moaning about how bad things were and demanding the POTUS to create "certainty" like some people chose to do but instead I just focused on working

[Emmortal]

what's happening right in front of my face is that my home has gone up in value 150k since Obama got in office and my income last year was the best it has been since ~ 2005 and this year is on track (per my 1Q13 #'s) to be even better

what's happening in front of your face?

Correlation =/= causation.  You may doing fine, and there are lots of individuals who are raking it in, yet every economic indicator says the we're still in the shitter and headed for another downturn.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-12/us-economic-data-plunges-most-10-months-4-month-lows

I'm doing very well myself this year, yet I wouldn't be naive to think just because I'm fine everyone else is.  

[Straw Man]

Correlation =/= causation.  You may doing fine, and there are lots of individuals who are raking it in, yet every economic indicator says the we're still in the shitter and headed for another downturn.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-12/us-economic-data-plunges-most-10-months-4-month-lows

I'm doing very well myself this year, yet I wouldn't be naive to think just because I'm fine everyone else is.  

I never said EVERYONE else is doing fine

when is everyone doing fine anyway

I know people who made millions in 2008 when I and most the country were having a shitty year

In any given time there are people doing great and others not doing so good

what I didn't so was sit around pissing and moaning about how bad things were

[Pray_4_War]

Straw - You are great.  You site a bunch of positive stuff and when challeged you admit that Obama had nothing to do with it.  lol.

Lets talk about something that does have to do with Obama.  Do you understand that the Fed is monitizing debt to the tune of 1 trillion dollars per year?

[Straw Man]

Straw - You are great.  You site a bunch of positive stuff and when challeged you admit that Obama had nothing to do with it.  lol.

Lets talk about something that does have to do with Obama.  Do you understand that the Fed is monitizing debt to the tune of 1 trillion dollars per year?

where did I say he has NOTHING to do with it?

[Pray_4_War]

where did I say he has NOTHING to do with it?

Semantics. 

Way to ignore the important part of what I wrote.  You are pathetic.

[Straw Man]

Semantics. 

Way to ignore the important part of what I wrote.  You are pathetic.

Obama and the Dems saved the economy

that helped many people, myself included

from your statement below you sound like a paranoid delusional type

If you think that "politicians, banker and stock brokers" are are colluding to get everything they can before the "set a match to the whole thing" then I assume you must have converted your savings and 401k to gold/bullets/beef jerky and are headed out to your compound in Idaho to wait for them to light the match

"But, but, but, the stock market is doing great"

This was the exact same excuse the Republicans used before the bottom fell out of the economy.  It's not legitimate.  It's a bubble created by the .gov printing money among other things.  It's all funny money.  This thing is going to take a dive and it's going to be ugly.

Regardless of what political party you want to blame for it, this country is being fucking looted.  Politicians, bankers and stock brokers are getting everything they can get before they set a match to the whole thing.  The treasury, your savings accounts, 401k accounts, everything.  Looted.

[Soul Crusher]

Obama and the Dems saved the economy

that helped many people, myself included

from your statement below you sound like a paranoid delusional type

If you think that "politicians, banker and stock brokers" are are colluding to get everything they can before the "set a match to the whole thing" then I assume you must have converted your savings and 401k to gold/bullets/beef jerky and are headed out to your compound in Idaho to wait for them to light the match

Saved the economy for who? 

[Straw Man]

Saved the economy for who? 

for everyone except you