Joe Scarborough Goes On Huge Rant Over Obama's Tax Rate

[dario73]

HEHEHEHEH!!!

I love seeing all the libtards melting all over the place in this thread.

So it's fine for Obama to pay only what he is required by the current tax laws, but not for Romney.

He vilified Romney, yet here he is doing the same damn thing.

What's next? An account in the Cayman Islands?

The clown in chief is a hypocrite. The only ones who don't see it for what it is or they see it but don't want to admit it are the morons on the left.

[tu_holmes]

Hypocrite, sure... but I have no issue with it.

I had no issue with Romney's tax rate... He paid what was legally required.

Sounds good to me.

[avxo]

F you and Morning Dope

Obama didn't write the tax code so how exactly would is he supposed to pay higher taxes

He didn't criticize Romney for paying the legal tax rate

He criticized the tax code itself that allowed him to pay so little in taxes

I don't blame Obama personally for the tax code at large (except for the things which he voted for and/or championed).

HOWEVER, if he really believes what he says, he would have paid the difference between what he thinks he ought to pay and what he paid directly to the Treasury. Same with people like Warren Buffett.

It's easy to argue against the tax system that, you claim, charges you too little because you can feel pretty secure in the knowledge that it won't change and you'll keep your "low" tax rate while, at the same time, you become one of the "good" guys, not another evil millionaire.

If Obama feels he should be paying 25% or 35% or 45% then he can do it. Today. For more information he can check out http://www.fms.treas.gov/faq/moretopics_gifts.html. If he wants the extra money to help with the debt – something he claims to be concerned about – he can check out http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/gift/gift.htm instead.

[bears]

like i said during the election about 20 times.  it's all smoke and mirrors.  the only sad part of all of this is not Obama's tax rate.  it's the spreading of the misinformation by young, liberal idiots that the rich do not pay the super majority of the taxes in this country.  if you were to walk down to any college campus and ask 100 students who pays the lion's share of the taxes in this country they would tell you that the poor and middle class do.  because for some reason its OK for news stations to lie to its viewers and insinuate that they do.  and we're still arguing about this because most simply do not understand tax policy or how a tax return works.  and they have no interest in finding out. 

a perfect example is how CNN handled the Facebook tax situation.  CPA's sit around and laugh at it because it's such a joke.  i went to a CPE conference and we spent about 30 minutes on it.  in reality its really not funny.  its scary how much they pander to the liberals and how they refuse to tell the truth.  they don't lie exactly either.  they just say what they can to mislead without lying.

[Straw Man]

I don't blame Obama personally for the tax code at large (except for the things which he voted for and/or championed).

HOWEVER, if he really believes what he says, he would have paid the difference between what he thinks he ought to pay and what he paid directly to the Treasury. Same with people like Warren Buffett.

It's easy to argue against the tax system that, you claim, charges you too little because you can feel pretty secure in the knowledge that it won't change and you'll keep your "low" tax rate while, at the same time, you become one of the "good" guys, not another evil millionaire.

If Obama feels he should be paying 25% or 35% or 45% then he can do it. Today. For more information he can check out http://www.fms.treas.gov/faq/moretopics_gifts.html. If he wants the extra money to help with the debt – something he claims to be concerned about – he can check out http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/gift/gift.htm instead.

did Obama ever say that millionaires and billionaires should voluntarily overpay taxes

If so, then one might be able to call him a hypocrite (even though he didn't even make 7 figures last year)

Obama (and others like Buffet) have criticized the SYSTEM that allows the super wealthy to often pay little or no taxes.   

[Straw Man]

Hardly, Whork.

The issue isn't merely Obama taking the deductions and paying 18% in taxes. That's fine with us, as long as it's done within the law.

The issue IS Obama doing so, WHILE FLAPPING HIS GUMS about the rich (which included HIM) should be paying more in taxes.

I'll go you one better: You forget, kneepadding one, that Obama REJECTED a regurgitated version of Pelosi's plan from Boehner for tax hikes, which started at minimum incomes of A MILLION DOLLARS.

He even made a snide remark toward Boehner, to the tune of, "If you're making $900,000, somehow he thinks that you can't afford to pay a little more in taxes.  But the principle that rates are going to need to go up he's conceded.

That was his shot at Boehner, in defense of HIS take that taxes go up for those making at least $250K

Try that on for size.

Still waiting for you to explain WHY Obama wants to hike taxes on those making $250K, if he doesn't consider that to be "rich".

how many more times do you need your fallacy explained to you

[Soul Crusher]

did Obama ever say that millionaires and billionaires should voluntarily overpay taxes

If so, then one might be able to call him a hypocrite (even though he didn't even make 7 figures last year)

Obama (and others like Buffet) have criticized the SYSTEM that allows the super wealthy to often pay little or no taxes.   

STFU already w the kneepadding.  Its embarassing.  Obama is a hypocrite - leave it at that 

[Straw Man]

Twink please - every plan of O-Twink had taxes going up on those at 250k

Hey Nancy - do you actually talk like this in real life or do you only let your queer side out when you're online?

[bears]

did Obama ever say that millionaires and billionaires should voluntarily overpay taxes

If so, then one might be able to call him a hypocrite (even though he didn't even make 7 figures last year)

Obama (and others like Buffet) have criticized the SYSTEM that allows the super wealthy to often pay little or no taxes.   

they don't OFTEN pay little or no taxes.  there ARE situations that in a given year the very wealthy pay little to no taxes.  but that doesn't mean that they haven't or will have years where they pay an ungodly amount of  taxes.  you're being misled........purposeful ly to believe that the ultra wealthy ALWAYS pay little or no taxes.  and you're spreading that misinformation here.  and you're the type of people CPA's laugh at during our CPE conferences.  yeah a bunch of nerds who never get laid are laughing at you.

[bears]

i mean the top 1% pays roughly 35-40% of the entire tax income tax bill, the top 10% pay roughly 70%, and the bottom half pay ZERO income tax.  what more do you fucking want?

[Straw Man]

they don't OFTEN pay little or no taxes.  there ARE situations that in a given year the very wealthy pay little to no taxes.  but that doesn't mean that they haven't or will have years where they pay an ungodly amount of  taxes.  you're being misled........purposefully to believe that the ultra wealthy ALWAYS pay little or no taxes.  and you're spreading that misinformation here.  and you're the type of people CPA's laugh at during our CPE conferences.  yeah a bunch of nerds who never get laid are laughing at you.

hey dumbass, when did I say ALWAYS?

there are plenty of wealthy people who pay a lot of taxes but there are plenty of people who don't either

I'm not going to bother cutting and pasting this as I doubt you'll even bother to read it

http://wweek.com/portland/article-17350-9_things_the_rich_dont_want_you_to_know_about_taxes.html

edit - sorry to hear that you never get laid.  My CPA is married and he's never mentioned that he and his friends don't get laid so maybe it's just you

[bears]

hey dumbass, when did I say ALWAYS?

there are plenty of wealthy people who pay a lot of taxes but there are plenty of people who don't either

I'm not going to bother cutting and pasting this as I doubt you'll even bother to read it

http://wweek.com/portland/article-17350-9_things_the_rich_dont_want_you_to_know_about_taxes.html

hey fucktard, your comment was that the wealthy OFTEN pay little or no income tax.  you're WRONG. 

[Straw Man]

hey fucktard, your comment was that the wealthy OFTEN pay little or no income tax.  you're WRONG. 

Yes Often

Often is not Always

and I said the SUPER WEALTHY not Wealthy

Fucktard

maybe if you got laid once in awhile you'd be able to focus better

[Soul Crusher]

hey fucktard, your comment was that the wealthy OFTEN pay little or no income tax.  you're WRONG. 

LOL - you have no idea what you are in for hear.  He is not known as Straw Man for anything. 

[bears]

Yes Often

Often is not Always

and I said the SUPER WEALTHY not Wealthy

Fucktard

maybe if you got laid once in awhile you'd be able to focus better

and if you knew the first thing about tax you would be able to argue with me on this.  and are you serious with that article?  did YOU read it? 

[bears]

Yes Often

Often is not Always

and I said the SUPER WEALTHY not Wealthy

Fucktard

maybe if you got laid once in awhile you'd be able to focus better

and OFTEN is still wrong.  i'm not even going to start in on that article because its honestly a day long discussion on why its misleading.  and you're obviously not up to the discussion because you know NOTHING about tax.

[avxo]

did Obama ever say that millionaires and billionaires should voluntarily overpay taxes

If so, then one might be able to call him a hypocrite (even though he didn't even make 7 figures last year)

Obama (and others like Buffet) have criticized the SYSTEM that allows the super wealthy to often pay little or no taxes.   

Criticizing a system that you claim makes you underpay (while knowing full well that the system won't change) makes you a hypocrite if you don't take advantage of the opportunity to pay what you actually think is fair.

Talk is cheap... If Obama believes he pays too little, let him pay what he thinks is fair by donating the difference to the United States. And the same goes for Warren Buffet. If you want to prove you mean what you say, act don't just talk.

[Straw Man]

and if you knew the first thing about tax you would be able to argue with me on this.  and are you serious with that article?  did YOU read it? 

what point would you like to debate?

[Straw Man]

Criticizing a system that you claim makes you underpay (while knowing full well that the system won't change) makes you a hypocrite if you don't take advantage of the opportunity to pay what you actually think is fair.

Talk is cheap... If Obama believes he pays too little, let him pay what he thinks is fair by donating the difference to the United States. And the same goes for Warren Buffet. If you want to prove you mean what you say, act don't just talk.

knowing full well the system won't change?

didn't it change for this year?

again, if you'd like to show me a quote where Obama says the rich should voluntarily overpay income tax then you will have legitimate reason to call him a hypocrite

[Soul Crusher]

knowing full well the system won't change?

didn't it change for this year?

again, if you'd like to show me a quote where Obama says the rich should voluntarily overpay income tax then you will have legitimate reason to call him a hypocrite

LOL - deeds not words. 

This is why the shithead in the WH has not an ounce of credibility on any issue whatsoever other than to his cult of drones. 

[avxo]

knowing full well the system won't change?

Yes.

didn't it change for this year?

Depends on what you mean by change. The changes, such as they are, are not really substantial. You can keep on painting over shit from now until the end of time. You'll just end up with paint-covered shit.

again, if you'd like to show me a quote where Obama says the rich should voluntarily overpay income tax then you will have legitimate reason to call him a hypocrite

Obama believes that the rich - a category in which he voluntarily includes himself - don't pay their "fair share." If he really believed that and in the ideology he claims to believe, he wouldn't wait for tax reform. He would lead the way and pay the difference today, and urge other rich people to do the same. This would not only be a powerful gesture but also provide the impetus for real change towards reforming the tax code to further the goal of the rich paying "their fair share."

[Straw Man]

Yes.


Depends on what you mean by change. The changes, such as they are, are not really substantial. You can keep on painting over shit from now until the end of time. You'll just end up with paint-covered shit.


Obama believes that the rich - a category in which he voluntarily includes himself - don't pay their "fair share." If he really believed that and in the ideology he claims to believe, he wouldn't wait for tax reform. He would lead the way and pay the difference today, and urge other rich people to do the same. This would not only be a powerful gesture but also provide the impetus for real change towards reforming the tax code to further the goal of the rich paying "their fair share."

I'm curious how you know what Obama "knows"

He frequently included himself when talking about millionaires and billionaires
Did he make a million dollars last year?  Did he ever say that HE or anyone should voluntarily over pay

There are certainly issues where one could legitimately call Obama a hypocrite but I don't see it on this one.   

[bears]

what point would you like to debate?

um... maybe the fact that the author included things like Social Security and unemployment insurance, which are payroll taxes in order to inflate his numbers to spin it in the direction he wanted it to go. Do you even know what social security is?  it's YOUR money for retirement.   It's NOT a tax.  Unemployment insurance is money that is there to insure YOU against unemployment. it's NOT a tax.  and i'm just gettiong started.  again, it would take me teaching you basic tax policy and showing you how a tax return works for you to understand any further points that I may have.

so the author is picking and choosing what he wants to include in his numbers so that he can trick fucking idiots like yourself into buying into this shit.  the sad fact is you just browse the internet for articles that reek of liberalism and it empowers you to go spread that misinformation elsewhere.  now stop posting about this.  you're out of your element.

[Soul Crusher]

I'm curious how you know what Obama "knows"

He frequently included himself when talking about millionaires and billionaires
Did he make a million dollars last year?  Did he ever say that HE or anyone should voluntarily over pay

There are certainly issues where one could legitimately call Obama a hypocrite but I don't see it on this one.   

Every plan put forward by Obama applies to millionaires and billionaires who make 250k (or as obama puts it 'a quarter million dollars a year') a year remember? 

[avxo]

I'm curious how you know what Obama "knows"

Everybody knows the tax system is extremely unlikely to change - and everybody acts like that's a big secret. We might cut taxes a bit here while raising them a bit there. We might raise a tax rate here and add a loophole there. And so on...

He frequently included himself when talking about millionaires and billionaires
Did he make a million dollars last year?  Did he ever say that HE or anyone should voluntarily over pay

I've no idea if he made a million dollars or not - it's irrelevant. If he really believes he's undertaxed (he said he is) and is rich (he said he is) and he believes that the rich ought to pay their fair share (he has) then he should prove it by voluntarily overpaying.

The argument "Well, I feel like I ought to pay more and make the argument that it's my moral duty to pay more, but I'm not required to under the current tax code so I won't" doesn't hold water. Either you believe what you say and stand by your convinctions, or you either don't believe what you say or don't stand by your convictions.

There are certainly issues where one could legitimately call Obama a hypocrite but I don't see it on this one.

It's hypocritical to argue that you don't pay enough in taxes and to not lead by example by choosing to pay enough today even if the law doesn't mandate it.