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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #125 on: April 22, 2013, 06:40:15 PM »
"It is also worth noting that when avowedly atheist governments called the shots their ethical track record was less than awe-inspiring. Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot are not, so far as I know, in line for sainthood. The point isn’t that godless commies are bad. The point is that it is dishonest to pretend that the Crusades count against theism but that Stalin doesn’t count against atheism."  
- H. Allen Orr is University Professor and Shirley Cox Kearns Professor of Biology at the University of Rochester.
http://bostonreview.net/BR24.5/orr.html

congratulations

you've posted someone offering his opinion and it just happens to be the same as your opinion

too bad it's not proof of anything other than someone shares your opinion

what do you think of my theory that Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot were all males and that's why they committed such atrocities

If you don't like that how about the fact that they were all dictators

Any chance that it's pretty common for dictators to kill lot's of people (take a look at Saddam Hussein as an example - he was a dictator and killed thousands of his own citizens).  Any chance you think he did that in an attempt to secure and solidify his dictatorial power?

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #126 on: April 22, 2013, 06:49:50 PM »
congratulations

you've posted someone offering his opinion and it just happens to be the same as your opinion

too bad it's not proof of anything other than someone shares your opinion

what do you think of my theory that Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot were all males and that's why they committed such atrocities

If you don't like that how about the fact that they were all dictators

Any chance that it's pretty common for dictators to kill lot's of people (take a look at Saddam Hussein as an example - he was a dictator and killed thousands of his own citizens).  Any chance you think he did that in an attempt to secure and solidify his dictatorial power?

Many religious leaders were male too.  Many religious leaders were dictators too.  Yet not a single one of them came even close to the number of innocent people that modern, atheist leaders have murdered.

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #127 on: April 22, 2013, 06:57:46 PM »
Many religious leaders were male too.  Many religious leaders were dictators too.  Yet not a single one of them came even close to the number of innocent people that modern, atheist leaders have murdered.

give me some examples the religious dictators you have in mind

btw - since we're now to the point of posting opinions of others that share our own opinion I'll do the same (and even give you a link)

http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/harris06/harris06_index.html

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People of faith often claim that the crimes of Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were the inevitable product of unbelief. The problem with fascism and communism, however, is not that they are too critical of religion; the problem is that they are too much like religions. Such regimes are dogmatic to the core and generally give rise to personality cults that are indistinguishable from cults of religious hero worship. Auschwitz, the gulag and the killing fields were not examples of what happens when human beings reject religious dogma; they are examples of political, racial and nationalistic dogma run amok. There is no society in human history that ever suffered because its people became too reasonable.

btw -since you beliefs about Stalin, Pol Pot etc... are such a common argument by fundies you'll know doubt be aware of all the arguments against your belief.   Here is an site where you can find 9 pages of people talking about it

http://old.richarddawkins.net/articles/1779-hitler-stalin-mao-etc-were-atheists-and-they-were-terrible-answer-that#page1

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #128 on: April 22, 2013, 07:00:55 PM »
Let the rationalizing begin!

 ;D

So?

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #129 on: April 22, 2013, 07:06:25 PM »
Many religious leaders were male too.  Many religious leaders were dictators too.  Yet not a single one of them came even close to the number of innocent people that modern, atheist leaders have murdered.

Hitler was not an atheist!

If you say you are a christian, you are a christian. You believe that Jesus was the son of God and died for your sins. That's all it takes.

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #130 on: April 22, 2013, 07:08:18 PM »
Hitler was not an atheist!

If you say you are a christian, you are a christian. You believe that Jesus was the son of God and died for your sins. That's all it takes.

yep,

isn't that the "good news"

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #131 on: April 22, 2013, 08:02:16 PM »
I like how the Bible says don't judge.  Yet people up in this thread passing judgement on who is a Christian and who isn't.   ::)

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #132 on: April 22, 2013, 08:06:05 PM »
I like how the Bible says don't judge.  Yet people up in this thread passing judgement on who is a Christian and who isn't.   ::)

As long as I don't say I'm a Christian, and I don't, then I can judge ALL day long.


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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #133 on: April 22, 2013, 09:28:42 PM »
As long as I don't say I'm a Christian, and I don't, then I can judge ALL day long.

I'm pretty sure I recall a few people on this board saying if you're not a believer then you can't judge them or something to that effect.  Somehow you're disqualified from having and expressing an opinion


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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #134 on: April 22, 2013, 09:31:47 PM »
lol

So the terrorists in Boston were in fact Muslim, and this guy was a Democrat?

Sorry Otwink!  ;D

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #135 on: April 22, 2013, 09:51:56 PM »
lol

So the terrorists in Boston were in fact Muslim, and this guy was a Democrat?

Sorry Otwink!  ;D

what are you sorry about?


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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #136 on: April 22, 2013, 09:54:00 PM »

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #137 on: April 22, 2013, 11:43:50 PM »
some of the most dishonest and vile people I've dealt with in business have been very vocal "born again" christians

I have to echo this sentiment. It has also been my experience as well.
On the flip side, some of the kindest, most honest, decent and morally upright people I've dealt with also claimed to be Christians. As far as I'm concerned, all religions contain good people as well as assholes.

The most striking coincidence I've found across all religious stripes however, is the most vile, sociopathic, and machiavellian people I've encountered in my life, have been evangelical fundamentalists ... whether they ascribed to any religious denomination or atheism. The more vocal they were about their religious beliefs or non-beliefs (in the case of atheists) the more justified and self-righteous they felt about whatever selfish actions they undertook or whatever attrocities they were committing against others.

They viewed their belief in their particular deity as justification and sanctification for their misdeeds.

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #138 on: April 23, 2013, 04:26:20 AM »
give me some examples the religious dictators you have in mind

btw - since we're now to the point of posting opinions of others that share our own opinion I'll do the same (and even give you a link)

http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/harris06/harris06_index.html

btw -since you beliefs about Stalin, Pol Pot etc... are such a common argument by fundies you'll know doubt be aware of all the arguments against your belief.   Here is an site where you can find 9 pages of people talking about it

http://old.richarddawkins.net/articles/1779-hitler-stalin-mao-etc-were-atheists-and-they-were-terrible-answer-that#page1

Congratulations, you have found one person who shares your delusion about Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot.   ::)

Like OzmO said, there has been many more Christians throughout history than atheists.  Now if three atheists alone murdered so many millions of innocent people in such a short time, in numbers unmatched by anyone else, then I guess it's a good thing we haven't had more atheists.   

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #139 on: April 23, 2013, 05:07:11 AM »
As long as I don't say I'm a Christian, and I don't, then I can judge ALL day long.



*high five*


(P.S.  heading to pick up my DI : Riptide copy today)

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #140 on: April 23, 2013, 05:47:26 AM »
If you say you are a christian, you are a christian.

Matthew 7:21
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #141 on: April 23, 2013, 05:56:03 AM »
People who pray in public will not enter heaven either.  So much for the Christians.

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #142 on: April 23, 2013, 07:11:58 AM »
Matthew 7:21
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

But THAT is not the definition of a Christian. You are confusing someone who will get into Heaven with a "christian", they are not always the same.

Definition of Christian (n)
Chris·tian
 [ kríschən ]   
believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody whose religion is Christianity

You ain't gotta be a great person to be a "Christian".

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #143 on: April 23, 2013, 08:10:41 AM »
But THAT is not the definition of a Christian. You are confusing someone who will get into Heaven with a "christian", they are not always the same.

Definition of Christian (n)
Chris·tian
 [ kríschən ]   
believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody whose religion is Christianity

You ain't gotta be a great person to be a "Christian".

and the majority of them aren't

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #144 on: April 23, 2013, 10:47:22 AM »
These should be what we are asking:

Were people murdered by Christians because they weren't Christians?

Were people murdered by Atheists because they weren't atheists?

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #145 on: April 23, 2013, 11:07:56 AM »
APNewsBreak: Ricin suspect released from jail
 



AP 4/23/2013 5:25:18 PM
(AP) APNewsBreak: Ricin suspect released from jail
By JEFF AMY
Associated Press
OXFORD, Miss.
The Mississippi man charged with sending poisoned letters to President Barack Obama, a U.S. senator and a state judge was released from jail on Tuesday, federal official said, though the reason for the release wasn't immediately clear.

Jeff Woodfin, chief deputy with the U.S. Marshals Service in Oxford, Miss., said Paul Kevin Curtis has been released from custody. Woodfin said he doesn't know if there were any conditions on the release.

The development comes hours after officials canceled a detention and preliminary hearing without explaining the reason for the change.

His lawyer Christi McCoy, who has been pushing for the charges to be dropped, said in a text message Tuesday that she could only confirm that her client has been released.

"I can tell you he is with his family," McCoy said.

McCoy has said that there is a news conference scheduled for 5 p.m. CDT with federal authorities and defense attorneys.

Curtis was arrested last Wednesday at his house in Corinth, Miss., and charged with sending ricin-laced letters to Obama, Sen. Roger Wicker and a Lee County, Miss., judge.

Tuesday's hearing in federal court was canceled about 90 minutes after it was supposed to begin. Lawyers spent that time conferring with the judge. Later, Curtis and family members were escorted into a meeting room with his lawyers, followed by a probation officer.

On Monday, FBI Agent Brandon Grant testified that Friday searches of Curtis' vehicle and house in Corinth, Miss., found no ricin, ingredients for the poison, or devices used to make it. A search of Curtis' computers found no evidence he researched making ricin.

"There was no apparent ricin, castor beans or any material there that could be used for the manufacturing, like a blender or something," Grant testified. He speculated that Curtis could have thrown away the processor.

Through McCoy, Curtis has denied involvement in letters containing ricin sent to Obama, Mississippi Republican Sen. Roger Wicker, and a Lee County, Miss., judge. The first of the letters was found April 15.

"The searches are concluded, not one single shred of evidence was found to indicate Kevin could have done this," McCoy told reporters after the hearing Monday.

McCoy also questioned why Curtis would have signed the letters "I am KC and I approve this message," a phrase he had used on his Facebook page.

McCoy said in court that someone may have framed Curtis, suggesting that a former business associate of Curtis' brother, a man with whom Curtis had an extended exchange of angry emails, may have set him up.

Still, Grant testified that authorities believe they have the right suspect.

"Given the right mindset and the Internet and the acquisition of material, other people could be involved. However, given information right now, we believe we have the right individual," he said.

Grant said lab analysis shows the poison in the letters was in a crude form that could have been created by grinding castor beans in a food processor or coffee grinder.

Grant testified Friday that authorities tried to track down the sender of the letters by using a list of Wicker's constituents with the initials KC, the same initials in the letters. Grant said the list was whittled from thousands to about 100 when investigators isolated the ones who lived in an area that would have a Memphis, Tenn., postmark, which includes many places in north Mississippi. He said Wicker's staff recognized Curtis as someone who had written the senator before.

All the envelopes and stamps were self-adhesive, Grant said Monday, meaning they won't yield DNA evidence. He said thus far the envelopes and letters haven't yielded any fingerprints.


http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/DA5RC8380


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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #146 on: April 23, 2013, 12:59:51 PM »
These should be what we are asking:

Were people murdered by Christians because they weren't Christians?

Were people murdered by Atheists because they weren't atheists?

Please do not complicate things with silly logic and useless common sense.   ;)

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #147 on: April 23, 2013, 01:11:07 PM »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/paul-kevin-curtis-released_n_3140326.html#comments


They just let him go  - so all we know is that this guy is w ierdo

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #148 on: April 23, 2013, 03:29:14 PM »
Congratulations, you have found one person who shares your delusion about Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot.   ::)

Like OzmO said, there has been many more Christians throughout history than atheists.  Now if three atheists alone murdered so many millions of innocent people in such a short time, in numbers unmatched by anyone else, then I guess it's a good thing we haven't had more atheists.   

many people share my opinion regarding your phony beliefs about Stalin, Mao, etc..

You can find people on this very thread and I gave you a link with 9 pages of people sharing the same opinion

somehow I doubt If I showed you ten million people who shared that opinion that it would make any difference to you

You've decided that Stalin, Mao, etc.. committed their atrocities because they were atheist and no amount of information is going to change that belief for you

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Re: Ricin terrorist is confirmed to be christian?
« Reply #149 on: April 23, 2013, 06:14:40 PM »
Tell me Loco,

Dario is out calling people idiots and morons while quoting scripture.

Hardly what most people would consider Christian like behavior.

Would you consider him a 'real' Christian?