Author Topic: What's your guess on who trained Tsarnaev brothers? and what will happen?  (Read 7456 times)

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what failure are you talking about? You need to be specific as he has a lot of them  ;)

1.  FBI warned us in 2011 of this scmbag.
2. Obama said he decimated Al Queada.
3. Focus of DOJ has been diverted to BS the last 5 years.
4. Just cause bama sucks.

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ntelligence failure: The FBI had interviewed Tamarlan Tsarnaev in 2011 at the behest of a foreign government, probably Russia. A request like that from abroad targeting an American citizen would not just be a random occurrence. Tamarlan was involved in something that got their attention. However, the FBI concluded that there was not enough evidence to go on. The government had made the same conclusion after initial interviews with Nidal Hasan, who later went on to commit the Ft.Hood massacre. Was Tamarlan on a watch list? If not, why not? If so, why wasn’t it effective in preventing this tragedy?
The foreign connection: This was not purely “home grown” terror. The plot was at least inspired by a foreign terrorist entity, if not directed and controlled by it. Following the interview with the FBI, Tamarlan made a six month trip to Russia, visiting the Caucasus region and in particular Chechnya, a hotbed of radicalism. It is unclear thus far where he went or with whom he was meeting, but given that Russian intelligence services were already interested in his activities, and his mother’s claims that the FBI “knew what he was doing on Skype” and “whatever information he is getting, he gets from these extremist sites,” it would be reasonable to assume that he at least attempted to meet with some of the people he was corresponding with. It is also a certainty that the Russian government knows exactly what he was doing and hopefully is now sharing that information with the U.S. government.
Islamic radicalism: There can be little doubt that the Tsarnaev brothers saw themselves as jihadist warriors striking at the United States for its alleged crimes against the Islamic world. Tamarlan fits the profile of a young man from a not particularly religious background who suddenly adopts an increasingly religious lifestyle. People who spontaneously radicalize in this way are prime targets for recruitment by extremist groups, and at some point Tamarlan came under the influence of someone who convinced him that the frustrations he felt could rightly be translated into violent anger directed at the United States. Tamarlan then probably recruited his younger, less religiously inclined brother Dzhokhar to get involved in his plan. Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick said Sunday it’s hard to imagine why someone would deliberately harm, “innocent men, women and children in the way that these two fellows did.” But if you accept the jihadist premise it is actually very easy to understand.
The sleeper cell: The most shocking new revelation is that the Tsarnaev brothers  were not working alone. The terrorist conspiracy was larger than just these two men. Despite early reports that there was no larger plot, the FBI is now reportedly seeking up to a dozen individuals in a “sleeper cell” who were working with the Tsarnaev brothers. According to a report in the Mirror, an investigator said there is “no doubt the brothers were not acting alone. The devices used to detonate the two bombs were highly sophisticated and not the kind of thing people learn from Google. They were too advanced. Someone gave the brothers the skills and it is now our job to find out just who they were. Agents think the sleeper cell has up to a dozen members and has been waiting several years for their day to come.”
So rather than what was hoped – that this was an isolated, spontaneous and inexplicable act by two troubled young men – it appears that the Boston bombing was part of a long term, well planned, large scale effort by Islamic terrorists with foreign ties to bring jihad to U.S. soil. And if the plot was that extensive, the two most important questions now are, how did the U.S. government fail to detect it, and what else do terrorists have planned for this country that we don’t know about?

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1.  FBI warned us in 2011 of this scmbag.
2. Obama said he decimated Al Queada.
3. Focus of DOJ has been diverted to BS the last 5 years.
4. Just cause bama sucks.

LOL at #4

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LOL at #4

lol 333386 burns his toast in the morning and he blames obama

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So a bloodhound in florida would be considered available to you? Time effects scent spores.. hell, time of day, heat, moisture in the air, effects scent spores. So there is a clock ticking from the time the suspects foot leave the ground. Secondly we don't know if the situation warranted a bloodhound attempt.. (I'm actually smiling at that sentence).. we assume so but we don't have all the information. 


Hadn't thought about the time issue...guess a 2 hour flight from Florida to Boston would have been out of the question.  

The guy was bleeding out and they had him cornered hours before he decided to lay in a pool of blood in a boat near where the police were searching.  I hit a deer last winter and my damned dog still goes apeshit trying to lick the front of my truck 6 months later...I don't think it's absurd to think that a trained scent dog might have decided that boat had an interesting scent.  
They had the kid in a shoot out at one point...more than a few hours after the suspect's photos were released to the public.  Having a bloodhound to scent track from there would have been a cheap addition to the helicopters overhead at the very least?
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Hadn't thought about the time issue...guess a 2 hour flight from Florida to Boston would have been out of the question.  

The guy was bleeding out and they had him cornered hours before he decided to lay in a pool of blood in a boat near where the police were searching.  I hit a deer last winter and my damned dog still goes apeshit trying to lick the front of my truck 6 months later...I don't think it's absurd to think that a trained scent dog might have decided that boat had an interesting scent.  
They had the kid in a shoot out at one point...more than a few hours after the suspect's photos were released to the public.  Having a bloodhound to scent track from there would have been a cheap addition to the helicopters overhead at the very least?

yeah, honestly a bloodhound never crossed my mind. We use K9 all the time on subjects that bail from their car. So it makes me wonder if they didn't try K9 initially or if there was a reason they felt it wasnt feasible. The dog would be on a leash. they don't go running through the woods like in the movies. I'm just wondering if there was a tactical consideration involved.   

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Here's a good one to ask questions about.  We all know for a fact that the government watches sites like facebook and youtube like a hawk!  That's been well established many times for quite a while. 

Now we have some dude who's traveling to areas of Russia with terrorist problems and posting terrorist related shit on youtube and having Russia contact the FBI over and we're supposed to believe he wasn't being watched by the government because they did a quick search and couldn't find anything in 2011?

yea... BWHAHAhahahahaha....  How fucking stupid are they asking me to be on that?

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Here's a good one to ask questions about.  We all know for a fact that the government watches sites like facebook and youtube like a hawk!  That's been well established many times for quite a while. 

Now we have some dude who's traveling to areas of Russia with terrorist problems and posting terrorist related shit on youtube and having Russia contact the FBI over and we're supposed to believe he wasn't being watched by the government because they did a quick search and couldn't find anything in 2011?

yea... BWHAHAhahahahaha....  How fucking stupid are they asking me to be on that?

yup.  Just like Fast n Furious.

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2 idiots pulling off the biggest attak since 911 and nothing else going on?    LMFAO!!!!

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from uk paper,don't know how reliable

Boston Marathon Bombings: FBI Hunts Terror 'Sleeper Cell' Linked to Tsarnaev Brothers

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April 21, 2013 11:16 AM GMT



 
Dzhokhar, left, and Tamerlan Tsarnaev captured on CCTV shortly before the explosions at the Boston Marathon.
 
The FBI is hunting a 12-man terrorist "sleeper cell" linked to the brothers suspected of carrying out the Boston bombings.


The Bureau believes that Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev received training in bomb-making before they carried out the attack, which killed three people.
 
Tamerlan, 26, was killed in a shoot-out with police in the early hours of Friday. His brother Dzhokhar is in intensive care at a Boston hospital, and remains unable to speak due to gunshot wounds to the neck.
 
It emerged that a man and two women were arrested 60 miles from Boston in the port of New Bedford in the hours before Dzhokhar's capture. The three are believed to be of college age.

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A source close to the investigation said: "We have no doubt the brothers were not acting alone. The devices used to detonate the two bombs were highly sophisticated and not the kind of thing people learn from Google.
 
"They were too advanced. Someone gave the brothers the skills and it is now our job to find out just who they were. Agents think the sleeper cell has up to a dozen members and has been waiting several years for their day to come."
 
More than 1,000 FBI agents have been assigned to track down the cell. A specialist team of CIA and FBI interrogators is on hand at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Centre in Boston, waiting to question Dzhokhar.
 
The FBI has admitted interviewing Tamerlan two years ago, at the request of the Russian government, but said it wound up its inquiries after interviews with Tamerlan and other family members "did not find any terrorism activity, domestic or foreign".
 
The FBI now says the pair were part of a terrorist cell, though they were not under surveillance at the time of the bombings, US Government officials said.
 
The brothers were carrying six bombs, a handgun and a rifle at the time of the shoot-out in which Tamerlan was killed. Three devices - thought to be pipe bombs - were detonated.
 
Investigators are working to establish whether the brothers had help in making the bombs, which were contained in pressure cookers and packed with nails and ball bearings.
 
Their mother Zubeidat, speaking from her home in Russia, claimed the boys had been framed by the FBI, saying the bureau had been "controlling" Tamerlan for the past five years. Their father Anzor has also said he believed his sons had been "set up" by the FBI.
 
Tamerlan, a talented boxer, was said by neighbours to have become increasingly radical in his Islamic beliefs in recent years.
 
The FBI are retracing his movements during a six-month trip he made to the Russia Caucusus last year, including a visit to Chechnya, during which his extremism is said to have caused arguments with family members.
 
"It's a key thread for investigators," said Kevin Brock, a senior FBI counter-terrorism official.
 
Tamerlan's American wife Katherine Russell, 24, with whom he had a three-year-old daughter Zahara, is said to have converted to Islam when she married him, and taken to wearing the veil. She was taken in for questioning by FBI agents on Friday.
 
Tamerlan's Russian-language YouTube page contains numerous links to extremist Islamic sites, including one that features an hour-long speech by the radical cleric Feiz Mohammed, along with other videos labelled "Terrorists" and "Islam".
 
Dzhokhar, a scholarship student with ambitions to become a brain surgeon, was described by friends as more "mild-mannered" and "easy going" than his brother. Popular with fellow students, he was said to enjoy smoking marijuana, and was seen by friends "looking relaxed" at a college party two days after the bombings, shortly before police released photographs of the two suspects.
 
Dzhokhar is said to have run over his brother as he made his getaway in a stolen SUV while Tamerlan lay handcuffed on the ground with fatal gunshot wounds late on Thursday.
 
Investigators have confirmed they will invoke public safety powers to interrogate him without reading him his "Miranda" rights to remain silent and have a lawyer present.
 
Authorities hope he will not invoke his right to silence, and will talk to them about any other terrorist threats, and the location of possible further explosives.
 
Prosecutors are considering appropriate charges, with a federal charge of using a weapon of mass destruction to kill people carrying a possible death sentence, though there is no death penalty in the state of Massachusetts.
 
Three people died in the attacks on the marathon and another 176 were injured. A policeman at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology was shot dead during the subsequent manhunt.



Hugo Chavez

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2 idiots pulling off the biggest attak since 911 and nothing else going on?    LMFAO!!!!
In Iran by the time the year is done is my guess... 

Have you dug up anything interesting on this Saudi guy?

I imagine Iran out of the picture would also be of interest to them which could relate here.

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In Iran by the time the year is done is my guess... 

Have you dug up anything interesting on this Saudi guy?

I imagine Iran out of the picture would also be of interest to them which could relate here.

Tommorow.

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I did find that one of the contractors holding a backpack at the race was also seen guarding some Saudi royal.  I'll see if I can find that photo.

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I did find that one of the contractors holding a backpack at the race was also seen guarding some Saudi royal.  I'll see if I can find that photo.

Yup.   Saw that too.   

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Tommorow.
counting on what has been sent to Glenn?  I hope he actually has something and not just bluffing.

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GBI  :D :D :D GETBIG Bureau of Investigation   :D :D

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counting on what has been sent to Glenn?  I hope he actually has something and not just bluffing.

See the thresd i started on michelle obama.   Its related to thst. 

Agnostic007

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See the thresd i started on michelle obama.   Its related to thst. 

have you been drinking? or just fat thumbs..

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have you been drinking? or just fat thumbs..

LOOKING AT THE TOPICS I HOPE DRINKING

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GBI  :D :D :D GETBIG Bureau of Investigation   :D :D
At your service!!! lol....  nothing else to do... well the dishes but they'll wait ;D

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I'm guessing it's going to turn out they were trained by Iran and we'll be at war soon with them over it.

How many years have you been claiming this is going to happen? Sweet prdiction skills. Tinfoil hatters are funny.

And Chechens are Sunni Muslim, genius.

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How many years have you been claiming this is going to happen? Sweet prdiction skills. Tinfoil hatters are funny.

And Chechens are Sunni Muslim, genius.
There's been reports in the past that Iran had been training terrorists in Chechnya so it's not something I just pulled out of my ass out of total ignorance...

I know my opinions on this kind of shit pisses off some people.  I tried my best to not level outright accusations and hear what others thought on the matter.  I've toned down how I talk about things a lot over the years.. Not sure what else I can do aside from just feeling like I can't say anything lol...  I'm trying dude.  

and I get that I could be wrong... I hope I am.  

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Here's a good one to ask questions about.  We all know for a fact that the government watches sites like facebook and youtube like a hawk!  That's been well established many times for quite a while. 

Now we have some dude who's traveling to areas of Russia with terrorist problems and posting terrorist related shit on youtube and having Russia contact the FBI over and we're supposed to believe he wasn't being watched by the government because they did a quick search and couldn't find anything in 2011?

yea... BWHAHAhahahahaha....  How fucking stupid are they asking me to be on that?
  I guess that of majority since very few people seem to be questioning it, which could be out of fear of being ridiculed or put on a ''terrorist list''

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  I guess that of majority since very few people seem to be questioning it, which could be out of fear of being ridiculed or put on a ''terrorist list''
I just feel that it should be ok to question when you think you see something wrong.  There is a big difference between those who are set on "convincing" others as opposed to those who are giving their opinion to the collective for investigation and debate which should be the natural course in a free society.

speaking on fear of not saying something, it's shocking how many people say, "you shouldn't say that, they'll watch you for saying that"  When nothing sinister was ever actually said.  When I hear people say that, I do think about how many might be questioning shit but afraid to speak their minds because we're now living in a society where they want you to know they're watching what you read, what you say, who you talk to, where you spend your money and where you're going.

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The Quds guys were all over Iraq training dudes, like we do with our own special forces so they could just as well have been trained by Iranians. I don't think they were specifically run by Iran but who the hell knows.
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