Killing all the doubts regarding Dorian's size nowadays !

[Mr. Michael Moore]

Enjoy yourselves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://www.waldemarguimaraes.com.br/videos/musculacaototal.wmv

[pumpster]

This was the world's greatest physique?

No wonder he was injured-going too heavy on those extensions. Also helping the other guy too early and too much on those forced reps.

[Mr. Michael Moore]

Well, Dorian used what worked best for HIM. So, those heavy extensions probably worked at his favor, because he had great thighs. If we were talking about Coleman and his seesawing training motion style reps, his defensors would be saying the same thing:"yeah, look at him, his style of training works at his favor, who are you to judge, anyway!!!" , so, I wouldn't be so critical about Dorian's extensions, cuz it surely worked for him.

Besides that, I much prefer to emulate Dorian's style of training than Coleman's. Dorian is pretty solid and in control with his repetitions, even when employing those forced reps.

[pumpster]

My own experience reflects Rons-reps in the 10-15 range minimizes injury potential of the sort Yates experienced training with low reps. Also hits the muscles better, IMO-maybe that's part of the reason Ron has much better muscle volume than Yates.

[Mr. Michael Moore]

I concur with you, regarding the rep range, and I think that was Yates' BIGGEST mistake. I truly believe that if he upped his reps, keeping the same training style, he would still be sitting on the throne, today.

Having said that, Ronnie is pretty smart to stay in this 10-15 rep range, but all the benefits and positive things about a higher rep range are all thrown to earth with his rep style employed, with that seesaw motion and all the momentum used from it.

[pumpster]

Eventually i'll have to try some of the giant sets Ron does-actually more than giant sets. A cycle of 5 consecutive sets of different weights, done 2-3 times with almost no rest! That has to shock the body into growth.

Part of the justifiable criticism of HIT seems to the use of weights that are too heavy, reps too low.

[Mr. Michael Moore]

Part of the justifiable criticism of HIT seems to the use of weights that are too heavy, reps too low.

I agree with that , too!!!! Dorian's style , with a more reasonably handable weight (higher reps) is the way to go, in my opinion.

[brianX]

Does it ever occur to you clowns that some people respond best to low reps and heavy weight? I would say that most people train way too light and too infrequently.

[pumpster]

Obviously, Bozo. If you'd paid attention you'd have comprehended that i drew upon my own experience and avoided your mistake of blanket generalizations by making it an opinion, not a fact.

The best for most people, IMO-pay attention genius-IMO-is a middle ground of fairly heavy weights used for moderate 10-15 reps. There is a minority that can train heavy without injury, but that's a minority. A lucky few also respond better to low reps, though even there i suspect they'd probably do well with moderate reps.

[flexfan]

Why go so heavy on extensions? I always thought that was a refining exercise.

[pumpster]

Heavy extensions are one of the worst possible things to do-for optimal cuts the weight should be held and controlled at the top for a second, which can't be done if the weight's too heavy.

If you're trying to build size by going heavy, extensions are the wrong exercise to begin with. They're great for blowing out your knees, however. 

[XL™]

Obviously, Bozo. If you'd paid attention you'd have comprehended that i drew upon my own experience and avoided your mistake of blanket generalizations by making it an opinion, not a fact.

The best for most people, IMO-pay attention genius-IMO-is a middle ground of fairly heavy weights used for moderate 10-15 reps. There is a minority that can train heavy without injury, but that's a minority. A lucky few also respond better to low reps, though even there i suspect they'd probably do well with moderate reps.

brian x is a know it all.

[luv2build]

Heavy extensions are one of the worst possible things to do-for optimal cuts the weight should be held and controlled at the top for a second, which can't be done if the weight's too heavy.

If you're trying to build size by going heavy, extensions are the wrong exercise to begin with. They're great for blowing out your knees, however. 

And YOUR huge showcase of Sandow trophies backs up how much smarter than Dorian you are.

[pumpster]

According to your logic, common sense is strictly the domain of Olympia winners? Yates is the one with a permanently f--- up tri, not me. Especially going heavy just prior to the show was dopey-even he admits that now. Winning the Olympia isn't rocket science.

Even a long-time HIT guy like Viator says volume and higher reps are better for refinement pre-contest.

[Bluto]

This was the world's greatest physique?

No wonder he was injured-going too heavy on those extensions. Also helping the other guy too early and too much on those forced reps.

what's extensions gotta do with him screwing up his triceps? and if heavy extensions is so dangerous, how many people can you name that injured themselves doing it? i've never heard of anyone. ever.

[pumpster]

Duh! That video's a good illustration of how Yates' trains every muscle. He's the only Olympia winner i know of who tore both tris and bis. To do that, keep the weights too heavy and the reps low, so you can barely feel it in the muscle and get a nice burn in the joints..real macho man stuff.

[Bluto]

yeah well bodybuilding is a dangerous occupation.

[pumpster]

Really? Let me know what comparable injuries Scott, Draper, Oliva or Ron suffered.

[delta9mda]

suck balls haters. yates is still BIG and hard. dont hate the player............

[hangclean]

I really beleive heavy extensions are bad for the knees.  Heavy quad work should be done with leg presses and squats.  Heavy extensions will put your patellar tendon in a weird position.  I use single leg light high rep extensions to rehab a bad knee once in a while.  Never anything that i cant do for 20 reps.  By the way dont you guys love how Dorian uses a frekin belt on those?

[Bluto]

Really? Let me know what comparable injuries Scott, Draper, Oliva or Ron suffered.

im sure your familiar with a number of bodybuilders that have various health issues, injuries,  even death. as for avoiding heavy weight and low reps, ronnie coleman's 1-2 reps of squats and deadlifts is as low and heavy as it comes.

and if dorian ended his career a year early because he screwed up his triceps doing pushdowns, big deal.

[Bluto]

I really beleive heavy extensions are bad for the knees.  Heavy quad work should be done with leg presses and squats.  Heavy extensions will put your patellar tendon in a weird position.  I use single leg light high rep extensions to rehab a bad knee once in a while.  Never anything that i cant do for 20 reps.  By the way dont you guys love how Dorian uses a frekin belt on those?

so what got you a bad knee to begin with?

[pumpster]

Enlighten yourself with some reading; Coleman maxes out very rarely, precisely so that he won't end up like Yates. Some of those maxes are done specifically for videos.

[Karl Kox]

I did not see him wearing a tank top

[Bluto]

I did not see him wearing a tank top

only 10 year older lou ferrigno does that