Author Topic: WTF!!! A Federal Judge just shows up unannounced in the hospital?  (Read 2505 times)

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Report: Federal Judge Compromised Investigation By Prematurely Mirandizing Tsarnaev
 breitbart.com/Big-Government ^ | 4-25-2013 | John Nolte

Posted on Thursday, April 25, 2013 8:50:27 AM by servo1969

Thanks to the "Public Safety Exception" to Miranda (which was created in 1980), the government is not forced to choose between treating a suspect as an enemy combatant or immediately allowing said suspect to hide behind an attorney and the right to remain silent. In extraordinary circumstances, when a suspect is believed to be part of a broader conspiracy that might result in the loss of innocent life, authorities have 48 hours to question the suspect before mirandizing him.

Dzokhar Tsarnaev, the man suspected of being a co-conspirator in the Boston Marathon bombings, was mirandized after only 16 hours of questioning. According to a Fox News, FBI officials were "stunned" when federal District Court Judge Marianne Bowler arrived at the hospital and read Tsnarnaev his rights. Sources told Fox News that this premature action might have hurt the investigation.

Apparently, prior to Judge Bowler reading him his rights, Tsarnaev was cooperating with investigators. The arrival of public defenders and the Justice Department, though, compromised the interrogation and now the belief is that "valuable intelligence may have been sacrificed as a result."


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Megyn Kelly’s Surprise Revelation: FBI Was ‘Shocked’ to See Judge ‘Waltz’ in and Give Suspect Miranda Rights

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/25/megyn-kelly-surprise-revelation-fbi-was-shocked-to-see-judge-waltz-in-and-give-suspect-miranda-rights/#

Regular viewers of Fox News are used to seeing popular host Megyn Kelly on their televisions every afternoon, but on Thursday morning Kelly made a special appearance during the morning to break some surprising information: according to her sources, the FBI was “shocked” to see a magistrate “waltz into” the hospital room of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and read him his Miranda rights.

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why is this so shocking
the kid is an American citizen being charged with a crime

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why is this so shocking
the kid is an American citizen being charged with a crime

Because a judge rarely if EVER does something like unannounced.  She probably got orders from Oh-Shit! to go in there to get the kid to shut up from spilling the beans. 

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Because a judge rarely if EVER does something like unannounced.  She probably got orders from Oh-Shit! to go in there to get the kid to shut up from spilling the beans. 

Judges usually magistrate at the request of the police entity that is responsible for them. Whether the FBI was surprised or not, it is not an unusual and should have been an expected event.   

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Judges usually magistrate at the request of the police entity that is responsible for them. Whether the FBI was surprised or not, it is not an unusual and should have been an expected event.   

Since when does a judge not assigned to a case or in an arraignment part do something like this? 

GMAFB already. 

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Re: WTF!!! A Federal Judge just shows up unannounced in the hospital?
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2013, 01:49:13 PM »
Report: Federal Judge Compromised Investigation By Prematurely Mirandizing Tsarnaev
 breitbart.com/Big-Government ^ | 4-25-2013 | John Nolte

Posted on Thursday, April 25, 2013 8:50:27 AM by servo1969

Thanks to the "Public Safety Exception" to Miranda (which was created in 1980), the government is not forced to choose between treating a suspect as an enemy combatant or immediately allowing said suspect to hide behind an attorney and the right to remain silent. In extraordinary circumstances, when a suspect is believed to be part of a broader conspiracy that might result in the loss of innocent life, authorities have 48 hours to question the suspect before mirandizing him.

Dzokhar Tsarnaev, the man suspected of being a co-conspirator in the Boston Marathon bombings, was mirandized after only 16 hours of questioning. According to a Fox News, FBI officials were "stunned" when federal District Court Judge Marianne Bowler arrived at the hospital and read Tsnarnaev his rights. Sources told Fox News that this premature action might have hurt the investigation.

Apparently, prior to Judge Bowler reading him his rights, Tsarnaev was cooperating with investigators. The arrival of public defenders and the Justice Department, though, compromised the interrogation and now the belief is that "valuable intelligence may have been sacrificed as a result."


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The public safety exemption is not indefinite and designed so an officer can question a suspect about immenint dangers like "where is the gun at?" so someone doesn't come along and find the gun and accidently hurt themselves or others. It was not designed for long term interrogations 

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Judges usually magistrate at the request of the police entity that is responsible for them. Whether the FBI was surprised or not, it is not an unusual and should have been an expected event.   

so everything he may have told the FBI prior to that cannot be used against him at his trial?

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so everything he may have told the FBI prior to that cannot be used against him at his trial?

Possible for sure since the questioning extended far beyond the exigency of the circumstances.  Judge may have sabotaged this case legally. 

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Re: WTF!!! A Federal Judge just shows up unannounced in the hospital?
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2013, 02:16:23 PM »
The mother of Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev knew as early as 2011 that her son had been radicalized and sent text messages to family in Russia suggesting he was willing to die for Islam, the FBI told lawmakers this week according to two officials with knowledge of the Capitol Hill briefing.
 
Tsarnaev, who was killed days after the April 15 bombing in a shootout with police, is said to have embraced radical Islam in recent years and recruited his younger brother, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, to carry out the attack that killed three and wounded more than 180 near the finish line of the world's most prestigious road race.
 
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was caught alive but wounded on Friday and charged with use of a weapon of mass destruction, for which he could get the death penalty.
 
The FBI filed a federal criminal complaint against the 19-year-old on Sunday, and federal District Court Judge Marianne Bowler arrived at the hospital where he is being treated to preside over his initial hearing Monday, when she read him his Miranda rights.
 
[FBI officials told The Associated Press Wednesday that Tsarnaev acknowledged to investigators his role in the attacks before he was advised of his constitutional rights. He reportedly said he was only recently recruited by his brother to be part of the attack.]
 
But Fox News' sources say there was confusion about Bowler's timing, with some voicing concerns that investigators were not given enough time to question Dzhokhar under the "public safety exception" invoked by the Justice Department.
 
Two officials with knowledge of the FBI briefing on Capitol Hill said the FBI was against stopping the investigators' questioning and was stunned that the judge, Justice Department prosecutors and public defenders showed up, feeling valuable intelligence may have been sacrificed as a result.
 
The FBI had been questioning Tsarnaev for 16 hours before the judge called a start to the court proceeding, officials familiar with the Capitol Hill briefing told Fox News. Moreover, the FBI informed lawmakers that the suspect had been providing valuable intelligence, but stopped talking once the magistrate judge read him his rights.
 
The exact timeline is unclear. A transcript of the court proceeding shows Bowler asking a doctor if Tsarnaev was "alert."
 
"You can rouse him," she says in the transcript.
 
"How are you feeling? Are you able to answer some questions?" the doctor asks Tsarnaev, who nods.
 
Although Bowler advised Tsarnaev, an ethnic Chechen and U.S. citizen, of his Miranda rights, it remains to be seen whether anything he told investigators before Bowler arrived can be admitted as evidence against him -- or whether such interrogations would even be needed to convict him, given the amount of other evidence referenced in the criminal complaint signed by FBI Special Agent Daniel Genck.
 
Some Republican lawmakers have criticized the Obama administration for deciding against treating Tsarnaev as an enemy combatant, which would allow more time for interrogating him. The public safety exception to Miranda lasts only 48 hours.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/25/tamerlan-tsarnaev-vowed-to-die-for-islam-judge-prematurely-stopped-brother/?fb_action_ids=512103545492339&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%22512103545492339%22%3A308916662573988%7D&action_type_map=%7B%22512103545492339%22%3A%22og.likes%22%7D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D#ixzz2RVoJwaBF

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Possible for sure since the questioning extended far beyond the exigency of the circumstances.  Judge may have sabotaged this case legally. 

If anyone did that it was the FBI

anything he told the FBI prior to being read his rights could (likely will be) inadmissible ...no?


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If anyone did that it was the FBI

anything he told the FBI prior to being read his rights could (likely will be) inadmissible ...no?



The defense team will of course try to supress those statements unless they can show the guy just started talking from the get go, but that will near impossible.

Since he was a citizen, they should have read him his rights from the second they took him into custody. 

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The defense team will of course try to supress those statements unless they can show the guy just started talking from the get go, but that will near impossible.

Since he was a citizen, they should have read him his rights from the second they took him into custody. 

There is a saying among some cops that the first time a suspect should hear of the Miranda Rights is when they are asked in court if they waived them.

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There is a saying among some cops that the first time a suspect should hear of the Miranda Rights is when they are asked in court if they waived them.

Could be but they very clearly made it known that they were not going to read him his rights and initially treat him an an enemy combatant or use an exception.

As the evidence mounts that the younger brother was not an intl terrorist like the older brother - they may have screwed up the case unless they have other evidence.

He will probably be able to use the fuck up to avoid the death penalty.   

 

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Re: WTF!!! A Federal Judge just shows up unannounced in the hospital?
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2013, 05:21:46 PM »
Does it really even matter? 

Even if he beats every charge against him, I doubt they'll ever let him go.  Probably just ship his ass to Gitmo.

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Re: WTF!!! A Federal Judge just shows up unannounced in the hospital?
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2013, 05:31:52 PM »
Does it really even matter? 

Even if he beats every charge against him, I doubt they'll ever let him go.  Probably just ship his ass to Gitmo.

he is an American citizen so it's going to be kind of hard to put him in Gitmo
even if he doesn't say another word and everything he has said so far is inadmissible they will still be able to convict him and put him away for life if not give him the death penalty.   Realistically, how long would this guy even stay alive in jail

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Re: WTF!!! A Federal Judge just shows up unannounced in the hospital?
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2013, 05:35:25 PM »
This is unprecedented and extremely troubling.

The judge should be booted off the case as far as I'm concerned.

The judges job is to act as a neutral fact finder and referee the adversarial parties-- that's it. By definition, the judge is supposed to be outside the scope of the investigation.

Judges are not supposed to randomly show up following the arrest or detention of a suspect to give the miranda warning-- regardless of the circumstances.

It's like a Defense attorney giving jury instructions or the Prosecutor reading the verdict instead of the judge.


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Re: WTF!!! A Federal Judge just shows up unannounced in the hospital?
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2013, 05:49:49 PM »
he is an American citizen so it's going to be kind of hard to put him in Gitmo
even if he doesn't say another word and everything he has said so far is inadmissible they will still be able to convict him and put him away for life if not give him the death penalty.   Realistically, how long would this guy even stay alive in jail



I think we can make a case for this being an act of treason and revoke his citizenship.  Fuck him.

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Re: WTF!!! A Federal Judge just shows up unannounced in the hospital?
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2013, 05:53:56 PM »
People are saying that someone from the DOJ told the judge to do this.  The federal government says they didn't.  No one will check, no one will ever follow up, we will never know the truth.  This is the pattern with the Obama administration.  We still haven't gotten a straight answer about Benghazi and we likley never will.  You voted for it America, enjoy! 

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Re: WTF!!! A Federal Judge just shows up unannounced in the hospital?
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2013, 05:55:31 PM »


I think we can make a case for this being an act of treason and revoke his citizenship.  Fuck him.

That might be true - AFTER a hearing. 

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Since when does a judge not assigned to a case or in an arraignment part do something like this? 

GMAFB already. 

All the time. We have judges on duty/on call  after hours to magistrate prisoners in hospitals. They never have anything to do with the case.. so GMAFB already 

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All the time. We have judges on duty/on call  after hours to magistrate prisoners in hospitals. They never have anything to do with the case.. so GMAFB already 

You are utterly full of shit and the reason why i utterly detest most cops.  You lie! 


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There is a saying among some cops that the first time a suspect should hear of the Miranda Rights is when they are asked in court if they waived them.

been around cops 30 yrs, never heard that saying

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Since when does a judge not assigned to a case or in an arraignment part do something like this? 

GMAFB already. 

You claim to be a lawyer and yet you act like this is unheard of..

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been around cops 30 yrs, never heard that saying

I do some crim law - I have NEVER EVER had a case where a judge not assigned to a case or arraignment part show up to the location of a detained suspect to protect his rights unannounced like this.

But keep supporting thr statist bullshit.   You would have been theperfect Nazi in 1930's Germany