Kyle Turley admits suicidal thoughts

[The Ugly]

jumping in front of car, or off of a building doesn't take that much strength.

The fuck it doesn't.

[XFACTOR]

jumping in front of car, or off of a building doesn't take that much strength. Nor does slicing one's wrists in a bathtub or overdosing on sleeping pills.

You want to know what takes strength? Taking these negative thoughts and throwing them in the garbage, then actually doing something about it. Playing the victim is weak. Anybody can create an awesome life for themselves if they are good with some hard work.

[_bruce_]

I have thought about it many times.
Though through the years I've come to the conclusion that depression & Co. has much to do with giving in. Being sometimes depressed, anxious or off is a part of life, it gets serious when you're "talented" in these regards and give such mishaps too much room to breath.

[el numero uno]

Go seek professional help guys, depression is no joke. Most of the times those problems are temporal and the path you choose is not. Whenever I feel bad about something I realize there are people with 10X problems I have, I still feel bad lol but in some way I know I can overcome those problems.

[The Ugly]

You want to know what takes strength? Taking these negative thoughts and throwing them in the garbage, then actually doing something about it. Playing the victim is weak. Anybody can create an awesome life for themselves if they are good with some hard work.

Tell that to someone with an incurable mental illness.

[el numero uno]

Tell that to someone with an incurable mental illness.

depression is not an incurable mental illness.

[XFACTOR]

depression is not an incurable mental illness.

I agree. If you want to treat it the tools are out there. You have to really want to.  Like an alcoholic.

[Radical Plato]

bullshit.  It takes a weak and feeble mind to off themselves.  It takes strength to fight through the pains of a shitty life to succeed.  You speak like you have a tattoo of BORN LOSER on your back.

I don't agree with that.  My mate who topped himself was a strong minded dude, he single-handedly started and ran a successful business, he was able to achieve quite a bit in his time, he always stuck to his ambitions and rarely gave up.  Even when it came to his weight training he showed inhumane perseverance and determination to reach is goals.  I always admired how strong minded he was.  That's why it was such a shock when he killed himself.  I have an artist brother who is the complete opposite, he is moody, up and down, never achieved much, never sticks to anything has zero will power, and if someone told me he topped himself, I wouldn't be surprised.

I don't think the strength of your mind has anything to do with it.  My mate had already succeeded in his life, plenty of money, good business, a couple of kids, big house already paid off, cars, motorbikes.  I think it was more a case of thinking is this all there is, is this what they mean by success and really not being impressed by it.  So rather than spend the rest of his life with more of the same, he ended it.  

Modern Life just doesn't suit some people, a lot of middle age angst is about feeling duped, that you were somehow promised a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, just work hard and you will be rewarded, only to discover the reward kinda sucks, and wondering if the hard work was worth it.  Some men never get over that feeling of being deceived. 

People don't kill themselves because they have a mental illness or because they are mentally weak, they do it simply because life for them has become too unpleasant.

[Radical Plato]

Suicide is painless.

When I was 22, I had an 18 year old girlfriend whose best friend was a gay man, I had only just met him a few times before he jumped from a tall building in the city.  We found out later that when he hit the ground he survived but was smashed to pieces, witnesses said they comforted him in his last moments but he was in agony. 

[Parker]

You want to know what takes strength? Taking these negative thoughts and throwing them in the garbage, then actually doing something about it. Playing the victim is weak. Anybody can create an awesome life for themselves if they are good with some hard work.

exactly...

The fuck it doesn't.

all it takes is getting drunk and doing the deed...just walk in front a busy street during rush hour...or just jumping off the ledge. For a sane person non drunk person, one is thinking "What the hell I'm gonna do that for?"
Millions of drunk people commit acts daily and nightly, that they otherwise wouldn't do. Hitting retaining walls, cars, buildings. And many times, due to the fact that they are drunk, they didnt get hurt or die, the body is relaxed.

Life is precious, but life is what you make it as well. Think of all those spoiled rich kids  who are just as unhappy as many poor or middle class kids. And then they end it all.

[arce1988]

  Thanks for the great posts in this thread.

[cephissus]

I agree. If you want to treat it the tools are out there. You have to really want to.  Like an alcoholic.

you should be glad you're such a simpleton, it's no doubt helped you out in life more than you'll ever know

[XFACTOR]

I would LOVE for you to have 24 hours of a bipolar brain, a panic attack brain or a chronic depression brain, and then see if you come back and type the same thing.

In fact, it would crush you within 60 minutes.
You have absolutely no clue. It has nothing to do with external life influences, zero.

I truly believe i can do anything. Gumption is something I take a lot of damn pride in and I've applied that to helping a lot of people around me.

Bi polar is pretty serious, yes. I've seen people try and treat that with drugs like lithium. Not a pretty site

[el numero uno]

Whoa guys, I used to be the kind of person that gets depressed very easily, it's was just in my brain, the way I was since I was a child. When I was 16-18 depression was really bad, I overcame that shit with my parents' help. I don't have depression anymore, it's been like 8 years since that, it's hard but you can overcome that shit, go seek professional help. To be honest I was against seeing a professional and I never did, but now I think it's better to go to a pro.

Nowdays whenever I feel bad about something which is normal everyone feels sad sometimes, I just realize there are people with 10X problems I have, I still feel bad lol but I come up with ways to overcome those problems.  

Yes, I know it has nothing to do with external life influences, this is very true, it's in your brain, but you don't need to be like that all your life. Right now I love my life, my family, I got an engineering degree, been dating nice girls, I keep good friends by my side and try to enjoy life as much while I'm responsible as an adult should be. I'm still a tad insecure as I always been but I just deal with it lol.

Hope my post can help you guys out there, remember it's in your brain as you admitted and most problems are temporal. If you feel bad all the time go and seek help.

[doison]

You want to know what takes strength? Taking these negative thoughts and throwing them in the garbage, then actually doing something about it. Playing the victim is weak. Anybody can create an awesome life for themselves if they are good with some hard work.

The people who've created an "awesome life" are often the ones who commit suicide.  It's not a lazy man's issue...if anything, it's the bane of highly successful men.

[XFACTOR]

you should be glad you're such a simpleton, it's no doubt helped you out in life more than you'll ever know

How about an example than of how I've handled hardships in my life.

Always bothered me that I didn't know my real father that left me hangin has a two year old. Instead of playing a victim I promised myself, my treatment would be to help others in similar scenarios.  So i became a big brother. Then I became active in the united way to help less fortunate,once I started doing a little better for myself. Now I'm active in the rotary club where I can help people locally and globally. My motive for a lot of this was wanting to help people out there that need it, like I did.

If thats a simpleton than I'm ok with that label. Most that know me, and there are a few here that do,would probably laugh at your statement.

[doison]

I truly believe i can do anything. Gumption is something I take a lot of damn pride in and I've applied that to helping a lot of people around me.

Bi polar is pretty serious, yes. I've seen people try and treat that with drugs like lithium. Not a pretty site

Lots of people who've accomplished nothing of merit have this same belief.  Belief is a very minor part of doing something

[el numero uno]

How about an example than of how I've handled hardships in my life.

Always bothered me that I didn't know my real father that left me hangin has a two year old. Instead of playing a victim I promised myself, my treatment would be to help others in similar scenarios.  So i became a big brother. Then I became active in the united way to help less fortunate,once I started doing a little better for myself. Now I'm active in the rotary club where I can help people locally and globally. My motive for a lot of this was wanting to help people out there that need it, like I did.

If thats a simpleton than I'm ok with that label. Most that know me, and there are a few here that do,would probably laugh at your statement.

That's pretty cool, keep up the good work. 

[XFACTOR]

I do agree that it takes hard work to cope and live with depression and have a mostly normal life. I thought XFactor meant get a good job and make money and depression will go away. Thats my bad

I have so much stress in my life. I have 60 employees counting on the decisions I make. Want to know what cheers me up though when I'm feeling In over my head? Helping a nine year old that nobody believes in going from failing grades/embarrassed of his life to a b average and walking around holding his head high.

[Radical Plato]

Some good posts here.  I recently read a book called 'The happiness hypothesis" - very interesting read.  But it essentially concluded there is no guarantees to happiness, because their are external forces beyond our control that can easily take it away, serious illness, job losses, accidents, natural disaster and on and on it goes.  But basically it did recommended creating a space for happiness to enter, much like making a garden, prepare the soil, fertilise the ground, plant the seeds etc and if the sun, wind and rain and other forces align (insects don't destroy crops etc), you may just find yourself with a garden.  The trick is to feel OK either way, if the crop fails, well then try again next season, eventually you will grow your garden, just don't expect it too last forever.  



That's why I like historical figures like Marcus Aurelius, Roman Emperor from 161 to 180.  He was a stoical philosopher, and happiness wasn't something they necessarily aspired to but was a result of your attitude.  What was most important was developing a resilient and philosophical attitude towards the inevitable ups and downs of life and our eventual demise.  Happiness was linked to the quality of your thoughts, and it was important to watch your mind and guard against thoughts that could have a negative impact.  It wasn't so much what happened to you in life, but how your mind dealt with it.  That's why philosophy was so important to the Romans, it was a buffer against the inevitable shitty parts of life (Roman life was very brutal)

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Telling someone their weak because of mental illness is silly...You wouldn't go around and tell someone they were weak for having cancer or heart disease etc. The brain like any other organ can become fukced. Mental illness is never a black or white issue...

[XFACTOR]

That's pretty cool, keep up the good work. 

I'm telling you guys the feeling of helping someone else will snap you out of depression.

There's someone on this site that knows me very well' that I turned on to this. He's doing some really cool things now too.

[XFACTOR]

Telling someone their weak because of mental illness is silly...You wouldn't go around and tell someone they were weak for having cancer or heart disease etc. The brain like any other organ can become fukced. Mental illness is never a black or white issue...

Let's be very clear here. I called people that consider suicide weak.  And I stand by that statement. Mental illness is not a weakness.

[Radical Plato]

Telling someone their weak because of mental illness is silly...You wouldn't go around and tell someone they were weak for having cancer or heart disease etc. The brain like any other organ can become fukced. Mental illness is never a black or white issue...

That type of attitude is old school religious mindset, nobody takes their self righteous moral view of addiction and mental illness seriously any-more.  Thank God humanity grew up and some of us stopped listening to religious nonsense and actually practised Science.

[Radical Plato]

I'm telling you guys the feeling of helping someone else will snap you out of depression.

There's someone on this site that knows me very well' that I turned on to this. He's doing some really cool things now too.

You are the last person who should be helping anyone.  Your understanding of the issue is less than zero.