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Re: Suicide
« Reply #50 on: May 01, 2013, 03:18:34 PM »
Let's be very clear here. I called people that consider suicide weak.  And I stand by that statement. Mental illness is not a weakness.

Suicide and mental illness go hand and hand...Mental illness is a disease of the brain...Most people contemplating suicide have something wrong with their brain. You are calling people who consider suicide weak. And that's weak imop.

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #51 on: May 01, 2013, 03:21:39 PM »
You are the last person who should be helping anyone.  Your understanding of the issue is less than zero.

I do more positive things thAt contribute to the better of this world than you will do in your entire life.

And if it takes me telling you that for you to actually do something about it, I did a good thing.

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #52 on: May 01, 2013, 03:23:36 PM »
There are people out there who are filthy rich and have numerous loved ones in their life and commit suicide and or are contemplating it. There are people who have unless amounts of money and donate their time to help others and still kill themselves or are contemplating it.

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #53 on: May 01, 2013, 03:24:29 PM »
Suicide and mental illness go hand and hand...Mental illness is a disease of the brain...Most people contemplating suicide have something wrong with their brain. You are calling people who consider suicide weak. And that's weak imop.

I highly call some dudes on a bodybuilding chat forum saying ya I have thout about suicide here and there being people that are really suffering from mental illness. It's people who have made poor decisions in their life and are dealing with consequences of those decisions.

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #54 on: May 01, 2013, 03:25:49 PM »
There are people out there who are filthy rich and have numerous loved ones in their life and commit suicide and or are contemplating it. There are people who have unless amounts of money and donate their time to help others and still kill themselves or are contemplating it.

And I've known /loved those people.....

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #55 on: May 01, 2013, 03:28:08 PM »
Some good posts here.  I recently read a book called 'The happiness hypothesis" - very interesting read.  But it essentially concluded there is no guarantees to happiness, because their are external forces beyond our control that can easily take it away, serious illness, job losses, accidents, natural disaster and on and on it goes.  But basically it did recommended creating a space for happiness to enter, much like making a garden, prepare the soil, fertilise the ground, plant the seeds etc and if the sun, wind and rain and other forces align (insects don't destroy crops etc), you may just find yourself with a garden.  The trick is to feel OK either way, if the crop fails, well then try again next season, eventually you will grow your garden, just don't expect it too last forever.  



That's why I like historical figures like Marcus Aurelius, Roman Emperor from 161 to 180.  He was a stoical philosopher, and happiness wasn't something they necessarily aspired to but was a result of your attitude.  What was most important was developing a resilient and philosophical attitude towards the inevitable ups and downs of life and our eventual demise.  Happiness was linked to the quality of your thoughts, and it was important to watch your mind and guard against thoughts that could have a negative impact.  It wasn't so much what happened to you in life, but how your mind dealt with it.  That's why philosophy was so important to the Romans, it was a buffer against the inevitable shitty parts of life (Roman life was very brutal)



Good post.

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #56 on: May 01, 2013, 03:28:35 PM »
I highly call some dudes on a bodybuilding chat forum saying ya I have thout about suicide here and there being people that are really suffering from mental illness. It's people who have made poor decisions in their life and are dealing with consequences of those decisions.

If I had to bet, i'd say that 20% of all bodybuilders(Getbig etc) have some serious forms of mental illness and are hanging on by a thread in life regardless of their position, wealth etc...This industry is fcked...Mentally ill to the core.lol

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #57 on: May 01, 2013, 03:28:41 PM »
Telling someone their weak because of mental illness is silly...You wouldn't go around and tell someone they were weak for having cancer or heart disease etc. The brain like any other organ can become fukced. Mental illness is never a black or white issue...

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #58 on: May 01, 2013, 03:31:11 PM »
Suicide and mental illness go hand and hand...Mental illness is a disease of the brain...Most people contemplating suicide have something wrong with their brain. You are calling people who consider suicide weak. And that's weak imop.
He has no idea what he is talking about, probably some pimple faced teenage narcissist who was raised by some fundamentalist Christians.  This attitude isn't new, it is the belief that if people somehow break any of the religions expectations, like killing themselves, adultery, drug addiction, divorce, masturbation, sex before marriage etc etc is that they suffer from a moral deficiency (mentally weak) and need to get right with God.  It has been a ploy used by the Church since it's inception.  Make someone feel guilty for normal human behaviour and then you can control and manipulate them.   Nobody in Academia takes the religious self righteous thinkers seriously any-more.

The Churches role historically as usual is deeply shameful when you consider their view on Suicide and how they treated the families of those who took their own lives.  The Church used to confiscate the belongings from the deceased's family.  As a matter of fact, the Insanity plea was first used to try and stop these filthy Religious self righteous freaks from stealing the possessions from the dead man's family.  Lawyers would have to argue that only an Insane man would kill himself knowing that his family would be punished and left destitute.  This defence was used to prevent the grubby priests from stealing a dead man's loot.  And people wonder why religion is despised, what type of organisation leaves a family destitute after one of their family members has killed themselves.  The depths of shameful behaviour the Church will lower themselves too is bottomless.

Calling people who consider suicide weak is the equivalent of telling a teenage boy he will grow hair on his palms if he continues to masturbate.  it's religious nonsense designed to induce guilt and repress natural urges or instincts.  You can guarantee those that have never considered suicide are either very young, lived a sheltered life or have repressed it so much they don't even realise they feel that way.  I once met a girl who claimed she had never thought of suicide but would occasionally get some strange thought to drive her car headlong into a tree at high speed.  She obviously didn't want to acknowledge this as suicidal ideation as that was considered wrong, when I pointed out to her, that's exactly what it was she was shocked.

People don't kill themselves because they have a mental illness or because they are mentally weak, they do it simply because life for them has become too unpleasant.
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Re: Suicide
« Reply #59 on: May 01, 2013, 06:22:23 PM »
sometimes. would most likely go out with a bang ie blow myself up at a police station or feminist convention to make a point, and be remembered. do it out of anger and not out of self pity.. i never quite understood just sole suicide.

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #60 on: May 01, 2013, 07:44:17 PM »
depression is not an incurable mental illness.

In many cases, it is. Psychiatry/Psychology are not perfect sciences. Sometimes it's a lifelong ailment that just gets worse with time.

And depression isn't the only mental illness, you know. There are plenty of horrible afflictions that science just hasn't got a hand on.

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #61 on: May 01, 2013, 10:18:36 PM »
 Any one ever have thoughts of suicide?
Earnestly when  I was 5 or 6...It still crosses my mind...

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #62 on: May 01, 2013, 10:56:07 PM »
Telling someone their weak because of mental illness is silly...You wouldn't go around and tell someone they were weak for having cancer or heart disease etc. The brain like any other organ can become fukced. Mental illness is never a black or white issue...
It used to be thought in the United States South that disease was somehow the fault of the person who got sick. That you could be more resistant to disease if you really tried.
My dad blamed me for getting frequent respiratory infections. He sneered and exclaimed, "run to the doctor!" He thought that my susceptibility to childhood diseases was my fault...Of course it was never noticed that I had a deviated septum and bad tonsils.

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #63 on: May 01, 2013, 10:59:08 PM »
It used to be thought in the United States South that disease was somehow the fault of the person who got sick. That you could be more resistant to disease if you really tried.
My dad blamed me for getting frequent respiratory infections. He sneered and exclaimed, "run to the doctor!" He thought that my susceptibility to childhood diseases was my fault...Of course it was never noticed that I had a deviated septum and bad tonsils.



Your dad is the type of guy that needs a good kick in the balls everytime he said something stupid.

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #64 on: May 01, 2013, 11:03:16 PM »
It used to be thought in the United States South that disease was somehow the fault of the person who got sick. That you could be more resistant to disease if you really tried.
My dad blamed me for getting frequent respiratory infections. He sneered and exclaimed, "run to the doctor!" He thought that my susceptibility to childhood diseases was my fault...Of course it was never noticed that I had a deviated septum and bad tonsils.

Kind of ironic, your childhood sickness is because of the combination of your Mothers and your Fathers shitty genes.  If anything you should be mad at him for having passed on some piss poor genes.
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Re: Suicide
« Reply #65 on: May 01, 2013, 11:08:14 PM »

Your dad is the type of guy that needs a good kick in the balls everytime he said something stupid.
I know...but he was Dad.  and a product of his upbringing in a sharecropper society...of his dad abandoning him to be raised by his mother who died in the post WWI flu epidemic and was thusly raised by his sister.  

I think it bothered him that I am not remotely "A Good Ole' Boy"

Even so now that I am an adult I see more and more similarities.

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #66 on: May 01, 2013, 11:11:33 PM »
Kind of ironic, your childhood sickness is because of the combination of your Mothers and your Fathers shitty genes.  If anything you should be mad at him for having passed on some piss poor genes.

You are actually doing the same thing he did, but you don't realize it.

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #67 on: May 01, 2013, 11:18:50 PM »
You are actually doing the same thing he did, but you don't realize it.
No I'm not, your father was blaming you for something he is partly responsible for (maybe fully responsible, if the shitty genes were his, either way it's the combination of your mothers and fathers genes that resulted in your childhood sickness).  I was simply blaming the responsible party. Huge difference.  Your Dad was obviously abusive, maybe you just haven't recognised this yet.  It's natural for a child to want to protect their parent.  It can be considered unhealthy though if your parents were abusive.  Blaming a child for being sick is a serious form of abuse, and an attitude that would have seen your childhood medical needs probably sorely neglected.

I just noticed your post about your fathers disappointment at you not being A Good Ole' Boy.  That explains a hell of a lot.  It sounds like you dodged a bullet there.  Congratulations for surviving your childhood.
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Re: Suicide
« Reply #68 on: May 01, 2013, 11:25:12 PM »
humans are AFAIK the only animal, which commits suicide. Why is that?
Have we created a society that makes us want to kill ourselves?
Or is our nature just different from all other animals?

Interesting issue to ponder.

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #69 on: May 01, 2013, 11:27:42 PM »
humans are AFAIK the only animal, which commits suicide. Why is that?
Have we created a society that makes us want to kill ourselves?
Or is our nature just different from all other animals?

Interesting issue to ponder.
Some suggest Dolphins and possibly whales kill themselves.  Ants have also been known to kill themselves to protect their colony as do bees & wasps.  There have even been accounts of a pet starving themselves to death after their master dies.  Pea aphids kill themselves, they are the Muslims of the Insect world, When threatened by a lady bug they can explode themselves, scattering and protecting their brethren and sometimes even killing the lady bug.  There are many more examples of suicide in Nature, but it's a sensitive topic, because the Churches forever have been arguing that it doesn't happen elsewhere in nature, therefore it must be a sin.  Religious Nuts like to deny any evidence of other life forms committing suicide.
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Re: Suicide
« Reply #70 on: May 02, 2013, 01:07:47 AM »
I have thought about it, but I don't think I'd be strong enough to do it. And not very seriously where I have actually started planning it. They say suicide is for the weak but sometimes it seems like it's for the strong, in my opinion.

I don't think anyone can truly understand how much pain a suicidal person is in. I don't think it's a selfish act at all. Imagine how much pain someone is in to want to end their life. It has to be excruciating.

When I was young I had the attitude "people who commit suicide are weak and selfish".....but I never understood true depression and stress. I think as you get older you understand better.

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #71 on: May 02, 2013, 02:27:35 AM »
It's still a bit selfish - but fully understandable to off yourself. No one can tell you what to do.
And to be selfish is not really wrong, it's part of being human.
If you suffer from depression, you should commit suicide before you have kids though.
The kids both suffer from your death and probably can get your negative thoughts and pain passed on to them. Spare the world your malfunctioned brain, whether it be weakness or illness.

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #72 on: May 02, 2013, 02:32:20 AM »
  Any one ever have thoughts of suicide?
We all have. Part of life. Then you get a lunch invite on a patio. Call me/us shallow.  ;D

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #73 on: May 02, 2013, 02:39:58 AM »
Those who laugh and point at people with depression, who put on their macho show - are in reality the ones who top themselves.

They're shallow and sub servant, wanting to portray this bullet proof image to impress everyone because they seek approval because their self-esteem is weak at piss.

They are mental oysters.

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #74 on: May 02, 2013, 03:23:34 AM »
NEVER. MY LIFE IS OK.

i have health........two hands - two legs = everything working

suicide is not an option.

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