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"Pain and Gain" movie review
« on: May 02, 2013, 11:47:58 AM »
I saw this movie yesterday.  This movie was a ridiculous piece of trash. 

Maybe you can see a matinee if you're totally bored, but otherwise don't waste your time/money.  It was supposed to be a true story too.  It's hard to believe anyone could be so dumb.

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Re: "Pain and Gain" movie review
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2013, 12:27:24 PM »
I knew one of the 'characters' in this movie ...... John Mese - the gym owner .... and he was depicted pretty well. (Spelling correction thanks to "JOE of Iron History".)

He actually passed away while in prison.

I've had the opportunity to meet some darn stupid people during my life-time, but I've never had the opportunity to meet three stupid individuals who were mutual friends and in any form of  business together.

I think that the stupidity displayed on that screen was the screen writer's  exaggeration in an attempt to make it somewhat humorous. (A dark comedy maybe?).

No one can be as stupid as those guys were while they were attempting to kill their mark.

And the line.... "I'll take you camping when this is done!" was definitely the screen writers exaggerated attempt to show how dumb these guys were and and to get a laugh or two from the audience at the same time.

I think I only liked it because I knew one of the 'criminals' involved.


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Re: "Pain and Gain" movie review
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2013, 12:31:40 PM »

Director of the movie was Michael Bay

what more is there to say







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Re: "Pain and Gain" movie review
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2013, 12:36:45 PM »
Nails, I'm not familiar with Bay. Please elaborate.

Thanks.

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Re: "Pain and Gain" movie review
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2013, 12:38:36 PM »
Whatever. This movie was great. It's a brilliant movie about stupid people doing stupid things. Seeing the Rock play a hardcore Christian trying not to murder people or break faces is flipping hilarious. Then you get to see him absolutely coked up not giving a damn. It's great. Not to mention the three retards are the living/breathing mascots of Getbig.com/boards and their representation of stupid and delusion.

Also, who doesn't like a good barbecue?

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Re: "Pain and Gain" movie review
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2013, 12:40:25 PM »
Nails, I'm not familiar with Bay. Please elaborate.

Thanks.












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Re: "Pain and Gain" movie review
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2013, 12:44:30 PM »
I think a lot of people have a problem with Michael Bay because they can sense he is making fun of them, but they don't really know it. He's basically a American Paul Verhoeven.

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Re: "Pain and Gain" movie review
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2013, 01:11:44 PM »
I think a lot of people have a problem with Michael Bay because they can sense he is making fun of them, but they don't really know it. He's basically a American Paul Verhoeven.

x100

as i said in my thread about the movie, it's really good.

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Re: "Pain and Gain" movie review
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2013, 01:29:16 PM »
I saw this movie yesterday.  This movie was a ridiculous piece of trash. 

Maybe you can see a matinee if you're totally bored, but otherwise don't waste your time/money.  It was supposed to be a true story too.  It's hard to believe anyone could be so dumb.
Now you can go on and spend your money on "fast and furious 99"

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Re: "Pain and Gain" movie review
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2013, 01:30:59 PM »
Now you can go on and spend your money on "fast and furious 99"
I sure as hell will. The Fast and Furious movies are awesome (except that Tokyo Drift abomination)

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Re: "Pain and Gain" movie review
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2013, 01:31:32 PM »
I think a lot of people have a problem with Michael Bay because they can sense he is making fun of them, but they don't really know it. He's basically a American Paul Verhoeven.

Who is Michael Bay making fun of?

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Re: "Pain and Gain" movie review
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2013, 01:35:10 PM »
http://www.thesuperficial.com/michael_bay_has_secret_audtion-07-2009



micheal Bay made Megan Fox wash and wax his car at his house in a bikini top and shorts in order to audition for Transformers



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Re: "Pain and Gain" movie review
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2013, 01:38:35 PM »
I sure as hell will. The Fast and Furious movies are awesome (except that Tokyo Drift abomination)


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Re: "Pain and Gain" movie review
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2013, 01:41:54 PM »
pretty tough to find a torrent of this movie
anyone have any luck?

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Re: "Pain and Gain" movie review
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2013, 01:45:14 PM »
pretty tough to find a torrent of this movie
anyone have any luck?

You'll have to wait for the Oscar screener DVD to be released

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Re: "Pain and Gain" movie review
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2013, 02:10:58 PM »
Who is Michael Bay making fun of?

He makes fun of society in general.

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Re: "Pain and Gain" movie review
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2013, 02:18:42 PM »
Here's the real story behind the movie. You may not want to read this if you plan to see the movie ..

I'll post the photos of these characters later unless someone beats me to it. They definitely don't look like the 'stars' who played the parts.

In October 1994, Daniel Lugo (Mark Wahlberg) proposed to Noel Doorbal (Anthony Makie), Carl Weekes , and Stephenson Pierre that they kidnap Marc Schiller (Tony Shalhoub).

All those meeting knew each other through the Sun Gym.

Lugo claimed Schiller had stolen from him and gym member Jorge Delgado.

The group agreed to kidnap Schiller.

In 1991, Delgado’s wife, Linda, worked in Schiller’s accounting office. She begged Schiller to help Delgado.

Schiller offered him a job. Delgado and Schiller became friends, eventually starting a mortgage company together.

Frequent guests at Schiller’s home, the Delgados got to know Schiller’s wife, Diana, and children David and Stephanie. Schiller trusted Delgado with Schiller’s home security code.

Delgado introduced Lugo to Schiller.

Schiller disliked Lugo.

In Schiller’s memoirs, Pain and Gain – The Untold True Story, he recalls that Lugo once talked “of frauds he had committed and started making comments insinuating that we should do something similar.”

Schiller told Delgado he did not want their relations continuing unless Delgado split from Lugo.

Delgado refused so Schiller pulled out of the mortgage business.

Schiller wrote, “I decided to take a ten-thousand-dollar loss and give a little extra to him so that he would not harbor ill feelings.”

This strategy was to prove a dramatic failure.

On November 15, 1994, Doorbal, Weekes, and Mario Sanchez, whom the first two men had recruited, grabbed Schiller as he walked to his car.

“What do you want?” Schiller asked.

“You,” someone replied.

They hustled him into a van. Schiller’s ankles were shackled, he was handcuffed, and duct tape was wound around his head.

Someone asked, “How come you’re allowed to have so much money while we have so little?”

As Pete Collins reported in the Miami New Times, Schiller “was in no mood” to debate “theories of American capitalism. He kept silent.”

The van stopped at Delgado’s rented warehouse. Schiller was bound to a chair. Someone asked if he wanted water. His throat parched, Schiller answered, “Yes.” Someone threw water in his face – then laughed.

Captors buzzed him with tasers, slugged him, and burned him with his lighter. He was left alone, bound and in a box. His bladder filled and there was no way to get to a restroom.

Schiller writes, “I urinated as I lay there on the box, soaking my pants in the process and adding to the misery I already felt."

A captor, whose voice Schiller recognized as Lugo’s, threatened to bring Schiller’s wife and children to the warehouse.

His captors ordered him to call his wife and tell her to take the kids with her to her native Colombia.

She did.

When his captors demanded he confirm his house alarm code and the locations of his money, he realized Delgado was involved.

A captor demanded he sign over assets.

Schiller repeatedly signed papers he could not see.

The documents were notarized by Sun Gym owner John Mese (Rob Corddry).

Schiller had been captive three weeks when the gang decided to murder Schiller by faking a drunk driving crash.

On December 15, 1994, they forced Schiller to drink.

Lugo drove Schiller’s car into a utility pole.

Gang members shoved Schiller into the driver’s seat, poured gasoline over the car and set it ablaze.

After the group backed away and got into another car, Schiller cheated the fate laid out for him; he got up and ran from of the burning vehicle.

They ran him over – twice.

Convinced Schiller was dead, they sped from the scene.

Schiller, however, survived and was rushed to Jackson Memorial Hospital where doctors operated to remove his spleen. When Schiller regained consciousness, a surgeon said he had been in an accident.

Schiller replied he had been kidnapped and tortured.

Schiller’s “credibility was undermined because he’d entered the hospital as a suspected DUI case.

Schiller called lawyer Gene Rosen.

After hearing Schiller’s story, Rosen advised Schiller to contact private investigator Ed Du Bois.

On December 16, 1994, Schiller called Du Bois, who asked Schiller to write down everything he remembered and send relevant documents.

Schiller called his sister. He was taken to Staten Island University Hospital.

On Christmas Eve 1994, he moved into his sister’s Long Island home.

In January 1995, the gang moved into Marc Schiller’s house that had been signed over to a Bahamian company Lugo set up called D&J International.

The gang had amassed about $2.1 million in cash, real estate, credit card charges, and goods.

Lugo told neighbors he and his roommates were U.S. security officers.

Still using crutches, Schiller flew to Colombia to join his wife and children.

Du Bois received Schiller’s written account of his captivity and copies of documents he had been forced to sign.

A name on those documents startled Du Bois who was acquainted with notary John Mese.

Du Bois met with Mese and showed him Schiller’s letter.

“Sounds like this guy had a rough time,” Mese commented.

Du Bois asked if Mese knew Delgado and Lugo.

Mese said he did.

Du Bois showed him copies of documents that he had notarized that had transferred Schiller’s assets. Mese claimed he could not recall the circumstances under which he notarized them. He agreed to set up a meeting with Lugo and Delgado.

That meeting took place on February 13, 1995. Du Bois came with bodyguard Ed Seibert.

Delgado, but not Lugo, came to Mese’s office.

Delgado said, “This is all over a business deal.”

Du Bois asked incredulously, “Is it customary in your business deals to kidnap someone, keep them hostage for a month, beat them, torture them, try to kill them, and blow them up?”

“I’m not going to comment,” Delgado replied.

A third meeting took place.

Delgado said, “We’re going to give you Schiller’s money back, the one million dollars.”

There was a condition: Schiller must sign a document stating he would never tell the story to anyone again – including police.

Du Bois said he would discuss it with Schiller.

Schiller was destitute but reluctant to let his torturers get off scot-free. He also feared they were dangerous to others.

Schiller and Du Bois discussed the offer with an attorney, who said that such an agreement of silence would be legally unenforceable – and would amount to a confession.

Schiller and Du Bois decided to play along.

The Sun Gym gang found lawyer Joel Greenberg, who drew up a contract.

The days dragged on and drafts of the contract were faxed between the two camps. Schiller agreed to every new revision, but there was no money coming in.

Schiller filed a challenge to the deed D&J International held to his house.

The Sun Gym gang cleared everything they could out of the house, leaving it empty. The goods were taken to the warehouse in which Schiller had been held captive.

Du Bois realized that the offer to return Schiller’s money was a stalling tactic. It was well past time to go to the police.

Du Bois contacted Metro-Dade homicide Captain Al Harper who contacted Strategic Investigations Division (SID). SID Sergeant Gary Porterfield informed Du Bois and Schiller that the case had been referred to the robbery bureau.

Du Bois was horrified because he believed the case needed more than that bureau could provide.

Porterfield escorted Schiller and Du Bois to that bureau.

Du Bois saw a cop smirking and softly clapping. Du Bois asked a secretary about this. She answered, “SID called over here this morning and said we should expect an Academy Award-winning performance and story from Mr. Schiller today.”

Sergeant Jim Maier and Detective Iris Deegan interviewed Schiller. He pleaded, “Follow up on Du Bois’s leads. These are dangerous people. Other people could be harmed.” Later, he asked, “Do you think I’m making this whole thing up?”

Deegan answered, “Yeah, we think you’re making it up.”

Nevertheless, Deegan investigated. Collins writes, “Deegan paid a visit to Schiller’s home in Old Cutler Cove. The house appeared abandoned; indeed the Sun Gym gang had emptied it weeks before.

When Deegan interviewed Schiller’s neighbors, they identified Lugo from a police photo line-up. Yes, he was a G-man, they said, Yes, they’d accepted UPS deliveries for him, packages addressed to Marc Schiller. Yes, they recalled, Schiller and his family had disappeared sometime before the previous Thanksgiving.”
No arrests were made.

Doorbal learned of phone-sex-line millionaire Frank Griga and his girlfriend, Krisztina Furton.

Doorbal proposed to Lugo that this couple be kidnapped and Griga’s money stolen.

The couple accepted Doorbal’s invitation to come to his apartment, ostensibly to sign for an investment. Lugo was also there.

Doorbal tried to subdue Griga, triggering a vicious fistfight. Furton screamed. Lugo grabbed her and injected her with the horse tranquilizer Rompun.

Doorbal put Griga in a headlock. Griga lost consciousness. Lugo and Doorbal planned to haul Griga off to the warehouse and threaten him into signing over his money. Much to their chagrin, they realized before they could do it that Griga was dying .

They interrogated Furton for the code to enter Griga’s home. She answered and fell silent.
Another conspirator, corrections officer John Raimondo, arrived
 
Lugo drove to Griga’s home and attempted to get inside with the code Furton had given him. It did not work. Lugo called Doorbal who said Furton was dead. Lugo returned to Doorbal’s apartment where he asked Delgado to return the next morning with a truck.

The next morning, the group loaded two corpses into the truck. They drove to the warehouse. Using a hatchet and chainsaw, Lugo and Doorbal dismembered the bodies.

On May 28, 1995, Lugo, Doorbal and a third man, who did not know that torsos and limbs were in the metal drums, took them to a remote area in Dade County. Another drum containing heads, hands, and feet was deposited in the Everglades. Lugo then traveled to The Bahamas. Police arrested him there in June 1995. Doorbal, Raimondo, and Mese were also arrested.

Lugo was convicted of many crimes including two counts of first-degree murder and sentenced to death. Doorbal was convicted of two first-degree murders and sentenced to death. Mese was convicted of multiple counts including conspiracy to commit racketeering and sentenced to 30 years imprisonment. Raimondo was convicted of crimes including attempted extortion and sentenced to eight years imprisonment. Delgado testified for the state; in exchange, his crimes were plea-bargained down to 15 years for the murders of Griga and Furton and five years for Schiller’s attempted murder.

As Schiller left the courthouse after testifying against his torturers, federal agents arrested him for Medicare fraud.

On March 17, 1999, Schiller pleaded guilty to one count of fraud. He was sentenced to 46 months imprisonment.

Released in 2001, Schiller claims he was innocent but pleaded guilty because he “had no fight” left.

The movie Pain & Gain, starring Mark Wahlberg and Dwayne Johnson, opened April 26, 2013. Its form as an action-comedy has angered some.

Frank Griga’s sister derides the film’s sympathetic depiction of the gang as ambitious bunglers as “ridiculous.”

Instead of separate characters for Schiller and Griga, a composite victim named “Victor Kershaw” is depicted. He is first seen surrounded by bikini-clad beauties. Schiller asserts he was a “homebody” with little in common with Kershaw although Griga, who made his fortune in the phone-sex business, may have resembled the womanizing Kershaw.

While there may be comic aspects to the bungling of the Sun Gym Gang, their heinous crimes of kidnapping, torture, and murder are anything but humorous.




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Re: "Pain and Gain" movie review
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2013, 02:23:15 PM »
I saw this movie yesterday.  This movie was a ridiculous piece of trash. 

Maybe you can see a matinee if you're totally bored, but otherwise don't waste your time/money.  It was supposed to be a true story too.  It's hard to believe anyone could be so dumb.

i've read good stuff about it from non bb fans.. still a download for me but i'm looking forward to it

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Re: "Pain and Gain" movie review
« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2013, 02:48:44 PM »
The character played by Dwayne Johnson is a composite, based primarily on Carl Weekes, with shades of Jorge Delgado (bottom left in the photo) and Mario Sanchez (top left). Weekes was a recovering addict and ex-con who’d found Jesus and moved to Miami to get help from a cousin who worked at Sun Gym. (He never went to work at a church; no elderly gay priest came onto him.) Both were roped into Lugo’s scheme, but they only helped out with the kidnapping of the gang’s first victim. They declined to participate in subsequent crimes. Weekes, like Doyle, was much kinder to that first victim than the other men. He was also quite small—unlike Mario Sanchez, a weightlifting instructor Lugo paid to serve as an intimidator during the first kidnapping, and who appears to be another inspiration for Doyle. In real life, the third key member of the gang was Jorge Delgado (about whom more below). Like Doyle in the movie, Delgado testified against Doorbal and Lugo and received a 15-year sentence. (Lugo and Doorbal got the death penalty.) Pain & Gain shows a mugshot of “Doyle” at the end of the movie; it’s not clear to us who that mugshot is. (It does not resemble the three men pictured above.)

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Re: "Pain and Gain" movie review
« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2013, 02:49:56 PM »
I don't get why they wanted to put a comedic spin on ? Why not base it off of the gritty, real life events?

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Re: "Pain and Gain" movie review
« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2013, 02:52:14 PM »
Hollywood vs Reality

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Re: "Pain and Gain" movie review
« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2013, 02:54:39 PM »
I saw this movie yesterday.  This movie was a ridiculous piece of trash. 

Maybe you can see a matinee if you're totally bored, but otherwise don't waste your time/money.  It was supposed to be a true story too.  It's hard to believe anyone could be so dumb.

have you actually read doorbal and lugo's crime records? yeah, they were fucking stupid. bay pretty much made them look SMARTER than they really were.

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Re: "Pain and Gain" movie review
« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2013, 03:01:11 PM »
Pain & Gain

They were local bodybuilders with a penchant for steroids, strippers, and quick cash. And they became expert in the use of a peculiar motivational tool: Torture.

By Pete Collins Thursday, Dec 23 1999

In the summer of 1994, the Sun Gym featured a juice bar; aerobic workouts; free-weights; Hammer, Nautilus, and Cam machines; even baby-sitting services; and on the sly, a variety of illegal steroids available in the locker room. Just north of Miami Lakes, Sun Gym was a serious bodybuilder's hangout, run under the watchful eye of Daniel Lugo, its charismatic, fast-talking manager. Anyone could join, of course, but if you were soft and puffy, you were way out of your league here. Sun Gym's favored lads were thick and ripped. This was not a place for weekend warriors.

Supposedly the gym had 571 members, but the books were wrong. Sun Gym was hemorrhaging clients, who were taking their paunches to the newly opened Gold's Gym complex in Miami Lakes. Gold's didn't push a cult of the perfect physique; fitness training there was, by comparison, a casual outlet for exercise and social interaction.

Miami accountant John Mese had opened Sun Gym just seven years before, in January 1987. He'd started serious bodybuilding at Texas A&M, where he earned an accounting degree. In 1962, while in the air force, he was stationed in England and, with a 60-inch chest and 19 1/2-inch biceps, won the title of Mr. United Kingdom. The next year he was accepted as a Mr. America contestant, but the air force denied him leave to compete. Now he promoted bodybuilding competitions. When professional bodybuilders came to Miami to compete, most trained at Sun Gym.

But while Mese was a prominent accountant -- he'd been president of Mese & Associates in Miami Shores since 1970, and occasionally taught accounting theory at two local universities -- no one could say he was astute when it came to hiring his gym employees. One Sun Gym manager, according to lore, had left for vacation and was arrested in Louisiana with massive amounts of cocaine and amphetamines in his car. Another manager, an ex-cop, quit working at Sun Gym then performed the ultimate reverse sting when he led three drug dealers out to the Everglades and executed them. Mese claimed that other employees stole from the gym. One quit, swearing that Mese had swindled him.

The gym's core clientele -- obsessed with developing muscle size, definition, and density -- was problematic as well, described by observers as "cops and bad guys." One Miami police officer ventured that he could "meet my monthly quota of felony arrests in one night at the Sun Gym" by running background checks on the denizens pumping iron all around him.

By 1992 Mese was about to ditch the enterprise. His bright hopes for Sun Gym had imploded. It was about time, his friends and family thought. He'd already lost one partner and many clients at his accounting firm because of the inordinate attention he gave the gym, and the time he spent coordinating bodybuilding contests during the tax season. The gym had been nothing but a drain, another bad investment. His dream that it would become an internationally renowned muscle mecca was all but dead.

Then Daniel Lugo turned up on his doorstep, looking for work. The 30-year-old New York native had moved to Hialeah about four years earlier, along with his wife, Lillian, and their four adopted children, all of whom were Lillian's relations, left to her custody after several family tragedies. He and Lillian were no longer together, though they remained close friends. He'd since remarried.

Lugo was full of ideas for the gym. Like a rainmaker in the wilderness, he promised Mese he could help deliver a virtual torrent of members and cash. They'd work together and build an empire: a Sun Gym clothing line, Sun Gym vitamins, a Sun Gym juice bar, a Sun Gym karate team. But best of all, Lugo said, he was developing computer software that would render obsolete all previous methods of gym management. For Mese, whose accounting firm also owned a computer company, this was perfect. Lugo's software would strengthen the gym's ability to monitor membership payments and accounts receivable.

So persuasive was Lugo that Mese was happy to overlook his past. The new hire had just served a fifteen-month sentence at the Eglin Air Force Base Federal Correctional Institute, a minimum-security prison camp in Florida's Panhandle, and was beginning a three-year federal probation period full of "special terms," which included paying $70,000 in restitution to his victims. In addition he couldn't establish any lines of credit or incur credit charges without the permission of his probation officer.

Lugo's crime had been to prey on individuals in desperate need of cash. His victims, unable to obtain conventional loans, had placed ads in the Miami Herald seeking venture capital. Lugo masqueraded as David Lowenstein, an agent representing financiers connected with a fictitious Hong Kong bank that had millions to lend to American small-business owners and entrepreneurs. Employing an advance-fee payment scheme, he collected up-front from eager applicants, supposedly to purchase Lloyd's of London insurance to ensure repayment of the loans. He ultimately collected $71,200 in fees but failed to deliver any loans.

More @ http://www.miaminewtimes.com/1999-12-23/news/pain-gain/

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Re: "Pain and Gain" movie review
« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2013, 03:01:49 PM »
The "excitement'" behind this movie is "How utterly dumb these individuals really were!"

And I think that was Bay's idea at the very beginning. Show them at their stupedist!

But the police department also appears just as stupid.

If you'd like to read the facts regarding the TRUTH behind Pain and Gain.... GO HERE ....

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/04/26/pain_gain_true_story_fact_and_fiction_in_the_new_movie_starring_mark_wahlberg.html

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