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« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2013, 04:41:43 PM »

what positions does he support or what has he said that would appeal to Hispanic voters

Rand, Cruz and any other teabagger or anyone with radical right wing views is not going to appeal to a national audience

Also keep in mind that the Republican establishment can't stand either of these guys and neither one is going to get very far without the support of the Republican machine ( think about how much support that gave Ron Paul)

People with extreme view from either party don't wind up on the national ticket

What positions did Obama have over Hilary in the democratic primary to justify him getting around 90% of black support? Have you ever been to San Antonio, Laredo, McAllen and seen the last names of the elected officials? Hell, I remember on these various boards Wiggs said his top 2 favorite politicians were Herman Cain and Obama lol...people vote along racial lines ALL THE TIME regardless of positions.

Granted his policies will turn off some Hispanic voters but you are naive if you don't think many Hispanics would not vote his way, if only to make "history" once again.

Again, you can use terms like "extreme" to characterize Rand Paul and how that might turn off voters but AT THIS TIME he is doing extremely well in the polls and is looking to avoid walking straight into the political traps that really hurt his father.
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« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2013, 04:48:50 PM »

What positions did Obama have over Hilary in the democratic primary to justify him getting around 90% of black support? Have you ever been to San Antonio, Laredo, McAllen and seen the last names of the elected officials? Hell, I remember on these various boards Wiggs said his top 2 favorite politicians were Herman Cain and Obama lol...people vote along racial lines ALL THE TIME regardless of positions.

Granted his policies will turn off some Hispanic voters but you are naive if you don't think many Hispanics would not vote his way, if only to make "history" once again.

Again, you can use terms like "extreme" to characterize Rand Paul and how that might turn off voters but AT THIS TIME he is doing extremely well in the polls and is looking to avoid walking straight into the political traps that really hurt his father.

try to remember how much support Hermain Cain got from black voters

If you think Hispanics will just line up to vote for Cruz because he is "one of them" then good luck with that

If you don't think Rand Paul or Cruz are extreme that's fine by me

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« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2013, 06:10:09 PM »

try to remember how much support Hermain Cain got from black voters

If you think Hispanics will just line up to vote for Cruz because he is "one of them" then good luck with that

If you don't think Rand Paul or Cruz are extreme that's fine by me



1. Herman Cain would have gotten some level of support among blacks had he won the primary, no question about that. No way Obama beats Cain 95% to 5% or whatever the ratio was.

2. Yes, SOME Hispanics will just line up and vote on Cruz because of his last name(versus a non Hispanic)

3. How can I characterize Paul as "extreme" when he has been applauded by rightys and lefties on certain issues?
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« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2013, 06:19:29 PM »

1. Herman Cain would have gotten some level of support among blacks had he won the primary, no question about that. No way Obama beats Cain 95% to 5% or whatever the ratio was.

2. Yes, SOME Hispanics will just line up and vote on Cruz because of his last name(versus a non Hispanic)

3. How can I characterize Paul as "extreme" when he has been applauded by rightys and lefties on certain issues?

1. no question about something you can't prove ....ok, if you say so
2. I'm sure some will but it won't make a difference because he is not going to say anything that will appeal to the majority of them and it's really a moot point because he'll never even be on the ticket
3.  Like I said before, fine be me

Neither Rand or Cruz will ever be on a National ticket

BTW - Ryan won't be on there either (just thought I would add him in - not saying you think he will be on there)   

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« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2013, 07:53:39 PM »

"Extremism" is defined by your average, mindless liberal automotant as having a system of beliefs which oppose ideas, people and things that are destructive to the United States.   I guess that makes Cruz as extreme as they come.

Cruz's latest bitchslap of the left includes challenging Joe Biden to a debate on guns--

http://washingtonexaminer.com/ted-cruz-challenges-joe-biden-to-debate-about-gun-control/article/2528799

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Ted Cruz challenges Joe Biden to debate about gun control
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Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, noting that Vice President Joe Biden reportedly plans to revive a legislative push for gun control,  challenged him to a debate about policy responses to gun violence.

“I would like to invite the vice president to engage in an hour-long conversation and debate, ‘How do we stop crime’,” Cruz said at the National Rifle Association Leadership Forum today. “If Vice President Biden really believes that the facts are on his side ... then I would think he would welcome the opportunity to talk about the sources, the causes of violent crime, who is carrying it out, and how we can do everything humanly possible to stop it.”

Cruz indicated that he doesn’t regard Biden as a formidable opponent, noting that Biden’s home defense advice — firing a shotgun twice into the air — “is very useful, if it so happens that you’re being attacked by a flock of geese.

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« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2013, 07:58:12 PM »

I need to stay silent on this

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« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2013, 09:01:10 PM »

"Extremism" is defined by your average, mindless liberal automotant as having a system of beliefs which oppose ideas, people and things that are destructive to the United States.   I guess that makes Cruz as extreme as they come.

Cruz's latest bitchslap of the left includes challenging Joe Biden to a debate on guns--

http://washingtonexaminer.com/ted-cruz-challenges-joe-biden-to-debate-about-gun-control/article/2528799

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Ted Cruz challenges Joe Biden to debate about gun control
May 3, 2013 | 3:06 pm | Modified: May 3, 2013 at 3:25 pm
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Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, noting that Vice President Joe Biden reportedly plans to revive a legislative push for gun control,  challenged him to a debate about policy responses to gun violence.

“I would like to invite the vice president to engage in an hour-long conversation and debate, ‘How do we stop crime’,” Cruz said at the National Rifle Association Leadership Forum today. “If Vice President Biden really believes that the facts are on his side ... then I would think he would welcome the opportunity to talk about the sources, the causes of violent crime, who is carrying it out, and how we can do everything humanly possible to stop it.”

Cruz indicated that he doesn’t regard Biden as a formidable opponent, noting that Biden’s home defense advice — firing a shotgun twice into the air — “is very useful, if it so happens that you’re being attacked by a flock of geese.



what exactly is the bitchslap ?

a story about a senator who wants to debate the VP ?
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« Reply #32 on: May 04, 2013, 05:43:33 AM »

just another tea party nut job  Cheesy Cheesy  but don't say nothing,let them think he has a chance brraaahahahahahahah
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« Reply #33 on: May 04, 2013, 05:45:57 AM »

just another tea party nut job  Cheesy Cheesy  but don't say nothing,let them think he has a chance brraaahahahahahahah

Yeah - and the liberal communists will go from one slave master to another another in Hitlery like nothing.

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« Reply #34 on: May 04, 2013, 06:45:54 AM »

YOU might be a Liberal:

If you think that excessive taxes should be paid by everyone, except you, you might be a liberal.



If you think that government knows how to spend your money better than you, you might be a liberal.



 If you think that the ACLU is good for this country and that the Tea Party is bad, you might be a liberal.



 If you think that class warfare for political purposes, is good for this country, you might be a liberal.

 If you disagree with the notion that as government gets bigger the people become smaller, you might be a liberal.

 If you don’t mind that the US is becoming a mediocre and socialistic country, you might be a liberal.

 If you think that being nice to our country’s enemies will make them love us, you might be a liberal.

 If you think that opinionated and mouthy Hollywood types are smart and love this country, you might be a liberal.

 If you think that it’s good for government to take from the productive and give to the lazy, you might be a liberal.

 If you agree that a lifetime of bad choices makes one eligible for government money, you might be a liberal.

 If you think that that a more successful person than you owes you something, you might be a liberal.
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« Reply #35 on: May 04, 2013, 07:40:46 AM »

YOU might be a Liberal:

If you think that excessive taxes should be paid by everyone, except you, you might be a liberal.



If you think that government knows how to spend your money better than you, you might be a liberal.



 If you think that the ACLU is good for this country and that the Tea Party is bad, you might be a liberal.



 If you think that class warfare for political purposes, is good for this country, you might be a liberal.

 If you disagree with the notion that as government gets bigger the people become smaller, you might be a liberal.

 If you don’t mind that the US is becoming a mediocre and socialistic country, you might be a liberal.

 If you think that being nice to our country’s enemies will make them love us, you might be a liberal.

 If you think that opinionated and mouthy Hollywood types are smart and love this country, you might be a liberal.

 If you think that it’s good for government to take from the productive and give to the lazy, you might be a liberal.

 If you agree that a lifetime of bad choices makes one eligible for government money, you might be a liberal.

 If you think that that a more successful person than you owes you something, you might be a liberal.


hey dipshit - if you're going to copy and paste at least give credit to the moron who wrote the lie

take the first statement on this list of bullshit and tell me where any liberal has said anyone should pay "excessive taxes" and that everyone should pay them except liberals

btw - nice job staying on topic
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« Reply #36 on: May 05, 2013, 12:45:15 PM »

hey dipshit - if you're going to copy and paste at least give credit to the moron who wrote the lie

take the first statement on this list of bullshit and tell me where any liberal has said anyone should pay "excessive taxes" and that everyone should pay them except liberals

btw - nice job staying on topic

Charles Rangle- Tax Cheat

Tim Geitner- Tax Cheat

Tom Dachle- Tax Cheat

Oh heck, why not address the 36 Obama Staffers who haven't paid their "fair share in taxes"?

http://news.investors.com/politics-andrew-malcolm/012612-599002-obama-white-house-staff-back-taxes.htm
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« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2013, 12:30:09 PM »

just another tea party nut job  Cheesy Cheesy  but don't say nothing,let them think he has a chance brraaahahahahahahah

What makes him a "nut job"?
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« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2013, 12:39:01 PM »

What makes him a "nut job"?

Anyone who is not a communist traitor and hates the USC is a nut to these people 
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« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2013, 02:01:14 PM »

Charles Rangle- Tax Cheat

Tim Geitner- Tax Cheat

Tom Dachle- Tax Cheat

Oh heck, why not address the 36 Obama Staffers who haven't paid their "fair share in taxes"?

http://news.investors.com/politics-andrew-malcolm/012612-599002-obama-white-house-staff-back-taxes.htm

plenty of right wing tax cheaters too

Still waiting to see a quote from anyone (even those dipshits you listed above) advocating for "excessive taxes" and also saying they should be paid by everyone except them

Remember the loser that 333 plagiarized implied that this was some common trait among liberal so it should be pretty easy to find someone publicly advocating this.... unless of course it's complete busllshit
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« Reply #40 on: May 06, 2013, 02:07:42 PM »

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Richardson on Cruz: 'I Don’t Think He Should Be Defined as a Hispanic' 

ABC: Former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson joined ABC News for a web interview after his appearance on the “This Week” roundtable on Sunday, answering viewer questions about his time as governor, his experience meeting with the Taliban, and his thoughts on Korean ruler Kim Jong-Un. When asked about Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, Richardson expressed his distaste for the senator.

“I’m not a fan. I know [Ted Cruz is] sort of the Republican latest flavor. He’s articulate. He seems to be charismatic, but I don’t like his politics. I think he introduces a measure of incivility in the political process. Insulting people is not the way to go. But I guess he’s a force in the Republican political system, but I’m not a fan.”

ABC News: Do you think he represents most Hispanics with his politics?

“No, no. He’s anti-immigration. Almost every Hispanic in the country wants to see immigration reform. No, I don’t think he should be defined as a Hispanic. He’s a politician from Texas. A conservative state. And I respect Texas’ choice. But what I don’t like is… when you try to get things done, it’s okay to be strong and state your views, your ideology. But I’ve seen him demean the office, be rude to other senators, not be part of, I think, the civility that is really needed in Washington.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/05/05/Gov-Bill-Richardson-on-Ted-Cruz-He-should-Not-be-defined-as-a-Hispanic-He-demeans-the-office
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« Reply #41 on: May 06, 2013, 02:23:53 PM »

Roll Eyes

Richardson on Cruz: 'I Don’t Think He Should Be Defined as a Hispanic' 

ABC: Former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson joined ABC News for a web interview after his appearance on the “This Week” roundtable on Sunday, answering viewer questions about his time as governor, his experience meeting with the Taliban, and his thoughts on Korean ruler Kim Jong-Un. When asked about Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, Richardson expressed his distaste for the senator.

“I’m not a fan. I know [Ted Cruz is] sort of the Republican latest flavor. He’s articulate. He seems to be charismatic, but I don’t like his politics. I think he introduces a measure of incivility in the political process. Insulting people is not the way to go. But I guess he’s a force in the Republican political system, but I’m not a fan.”

ABC News: Do you think he represents most Hispanics with his politics?

“No, no. He’s anti-immigration. Almost every Hispanic in the country wants to see immigration reform. No, I don’t think he should be defined as a Hispanic. He’s a politician from Texas. A conservative state. And I respect Texas’ choice. But what I don’t like is… when you try to get things done, it’s okay to be strong and state your views, your ideology. But I’ve seen him demean the office, be rude to other senators, not be part of, I think, the civility that is really needed in Washington.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/05/05/Gov-Bill-Richardson-on-Ted-Cruz-He-should-Not-be-defined-as-a-Hispanic-He-demeans-the-office

Wasn't Ted Cruz born in Canada and isn't his father Cuban and his mother Irish and Italian ?

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« Reply #42 on: May 06, 2013, 07:37:15 PM »

Almost every Hispanic in the country wants to see immigration reform.


Any polls to back this?
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« Reply #43 on: May 07, 2013, 11:34:45 AM »

Cruz Ignores Richardson 'Mudslinging'
Tuesday, 07 May 2013 By Lisa Barron

Republican Sen. Ted Cruz says he has no interest in getting into a "mudslinging battle" with former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson after the Democrat said the Texan doesn't represent the Hispanic community because of his opposition to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

Cruz responded by saying he doesn't think Americans care much for “name-calling,” according to Politico.

“In my experience, if people are insulting you, if they’re attacking your ethnicity, that tends to indicate that they don’t actually want to engage in the substantive merits of the argument,” said Cruz, whose father came to American from Cuba 55 years ago. "I certainly have no interest in getting into any sort of mudslinging battle on that front.”

Cruz told Fox News on Monday, “What we need to be focusing on is the substance of the argument. In particular, we need to be focusing on economic growth that enables more and more people to climb the economic ladder and reach the American dream.”

“I think what the Hispanic community wants, and what all Americans want, is an economy and an environment where small businesses can prosper, and where anybody can start with nothing and achieve anything,” he continued.

Richardson made his remarks during the web portion of ABC’s “This Week” program on Sunday after being asked whether he thought Cruz represented the views of most Hispanics.

“No, he’s anti-immigration,” Richardson responded. “Almost every Hispanic in the country wants to see immigration reform. I don’t think he should be defined as a Hispanic. He’s a politician from Texas, a conservative state.”

Richardson later said he was “misinterpreted and meant Cruz should simply not be defined “just” as a Hispanic.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/cruz-richardson-hispanics-immigration/2013/05/07/id/503223
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« Reply #44 on: May 07, 2013, 11:36:37 AM »

I like that Cruz calls the demos commies.   They get all upset cause they know at heart he is right. 
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« Reply #45 on: May 07, 2013, 01:25:39 PM »

Richardson is a lowlife based on first hand knowledge..and he's no more hispanic than cruz is but he sure tried to use that himself when he ran in 08.

Also the comments he made about all hispanics wanting the path to citizenship thing is just not true. Most hispanics are actually against amnesty..they get more pissed than most people over the immigration thing.  Most of them see it as freeloading, cheating, and hate it cause they all get lumped in to this and it makes all the ones who are born and raised americans look bad.
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« Reply #46 on: May 07, 2013, 03:34:03 PM »

Cruz Ignores Richardson 'Mudslinging'
Tuesday, 07 May 2013 By Lisa Barron

Republican Sen. Ted Cruz says he has no interest in getting into a "mudslinging battle" with former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson after the Democrat said the Texan doesn't represent the Hispanic community because of his opposition to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

Cruz responded by saying he doesn't think Americans care much for “name-calling,” according to Politico.

“In my experience, if people are insulting you, if they’re attacking your ethnicity, that tends to indicate that they don’t actually want to engage in the substantive merits of the argument,” said Cruz, whose father came to American from Cuba 55 years ago. "I certainly have no interest in getting into any sort of mudslinging battle on that front.”

Cruz told Fox News on Monday, “What we need to be focusing on is the substance of the argument. In particular, we need to be focusing on economic growth that enables more and more people to climb the economic ladder and reach the American dream.”

“I think what the Hispanic community wants, and what all Americans want, is an economy and an environment where small businesses can prosper, and where anybody can start with nothing and achieve anything,” he continued.

Richardson made his remarks during the web portion of ABC’s “This Week” program on Sunday after being asked whether he thought Cruz represented the views of most Hispanics.

“No, he’s anti-immigration,” Richardson responded. “Almost every Hispanic in the country wants to see immigration reform. I don’t think he should be defined as a Hispanic. He’s a politician from Texas, a conservative state.”

Richardson later said he was “misinterpreted and meant Cruz should simply not be defined “just” as a Hispanic.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/cruz-richardson-hispanics-immigration/2013/05/07/id/503223

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« Reply #47 on: May 07, 2013, 03:47:29 PM »

Richardson is a lowlife based on first hand knowledge..and he's no more hispanic than cruz is but he sure tried to use that himself when he ran in 08.

Also the comments he made about all hispanics wanting the path to citizenship thing is just not true. Most hispanics are actually against amnesty..they get more pissed than most people over the immigration thing.  Most of them see it as freeloading, cheating, and hate it cause they all get lumped in to this and it makes all the ones who are born and raised americans look bad.

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Using that "you're not truly Black/Hispanic" card unless you vote Democrat is SO played out. There is a politician in the Dallas area named Domingo Garcia who says the same bullshit word for word. I would feel insulted if I was a constituent and he said something like that.
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« Reply #48 on: May 08, 2013, 08:37:35 AM »

Most of the hispanics I know, and that's a shitload of people, are actually staunch republicans..
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« Reply #49 on: May 08, 2013, 09:02:48 AM »

Most of the hispanics I know, and that's a shitload of people, are actually staunch republicans..

somehow you must have managed to only know hispanics in the 27% that voted for Romney and none of the 71% that voted for Obama
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