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Re: Cruz 2016
« Reply #75 on: August 13, 2013, 03:31:26 PM »
:D


Cruz thinks the government creates jobs ???

That commie wil never win the repub primary.

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Re: Cruz 2016
« Reply #76 on: August 13, 2013, 05:03:39 PM »

Cruz thinks the government creates jobs ???

That commie wil never win the repub primary.

bullshit... link to where cruz said this?   Completely socialist thinking dude.

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Re: Cruz 2016
« Reply #77 on: August 13, 2013, 06:34:02 PM »
bullshit... link to where cruz said this?   Completely socialist thinking dude.

The post i quoted.

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Re: Cruz 2016
« Reply #78 on: August 13, 2013, 07:05:35 PM »
Haha graspingat straws man really reaching deep.

time will tell

I'm always fascinated when extremist think their guy is going to appeal to moderates on a national level

Ron Paul fans just couldn't figure out why he wasn't getting traction because all they did was talk to each other about how great RP was and didn't bother to notice the rest of the country didn't share their enthusiasm

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Re: Cruz 2016
« Reply #79 on: August 14, 2013, 04:18:25 AM »
time will tell

I'm always fascinated when extremist think their guy is going to appeal to moderates on a national level

Ron Paul fans just couldn't figure out why he wasn't getting traction because all they did was talk to each other about how great RP was and didn't bother to notice the rest of the country didn't share their enthusiasm


RP is honest and consistent in his message. Thats why his own party hates him. They dont like facts and truth.

Cruz is just another lobbyist for oil, guns etc...

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Re: Cruz 2016
« Reply #80 on: August 14, 2013, 07:48:26 AM »
time will tell

I'm always fascinated when extremist think their guy is going to appeal to moderates on a national level

Ron Paul fans just couldn't figure out why he wasn't getting traction because all they did was talk to each other about how great RP was and didn't bother to notice the rest of the country didn't share their enthusiasm

You can't honestly compare cruz with bachmann. He is actually intelligent and she's always been a known dingbat and petty attention whore.
And ron paul did get plenty of traction. He had as much support as anyone last year...the 'powers that be' just swept him under the rug as best they could and and kept his name off the ballot. He was the only true threat to beat obama last year, if those were the two names on the ballot.

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Re: Cruz 2016
« Reply #81 on: August 14, 2013, 08:20:11 AM »
He was the only true threat to beat obama last year, if those were the two names on the ballot.


agreed there.   Obama and Romney were fairly close on most of the issues - so voters chose the candidate with more experience.  That was obama, of course.  It could happen again in 2016... Christie has WAY less experience than Hilary and would probably lose, as their positions are pretty darn close. 

Now, someone whose positions match up with plenty of dems (on war), line up with the far right base on almost everything, and common sense speaks to swing voters... well, I don't think Ron Paul would have lost to obama with some 330 electoral votes, that's for sure.  Running RINOS doesn't work.  Repubs should get that by now and run a Cruz or Rand in 2016.  Give the voters a CLEAR choice.  Everyone is so sick of obama, bush, hilary, etc.   You give them hilry/Jeb and it's business as usual.  I tells ya, put up a strong Rand paul and he could win it.  Christie won't win... he's really romney all over again, on the issues.

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Re: Cruz 2016
« Reply #82 on: August 14, 2013, 11:22:28 AM »

agreed there.   Obama and Romney were fairly close on most of the issues - so voters chose the candidate with more experience.  That was obama, of course.  It could happen again in 2016... Christie has WAY less experience than Hilary and would probably lose, as their positions are pretty darn close. 

Now, someone whose positions match up with plenty of dems (on war), line up with the far right base on almost everything, and common sense speaks to swing voters... well, I don't think Ron Paul would have lost to obama with some 330 electoral votes, that's for sure.  Running RINOS doesn't work.  Repubs should get that by now and run a Cruz or Rand in 2016.  Give the voters a CLEAR choice.  Everyone is so sick of obama, bush, hilary, etc.   You give them hilry/Jeb and it's business as usual.  I tells ya, put up a strong Rand paul and he could win it.  Christie won't win... he's really romney all over again, on the issues.

EXACTLY!!!!

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Re: Cruz 2016
« Reply #83 on: August 19, 2013, 12:10:31 PM »
Dual citizenship may pose problem if Ted Cruz seeks presidency
Sen. Ted Cruz's birth certificate shows he was born in Canada in 1970. It was released exclusively to The Dallas Morning News.
TODD J. GILLMAN The Dallas Morning News
Washington Bureau
tgillman@dallasnews.com
Published: 18 August 2013 11:04 PM
Updated: 19 August 2013 12:21 PM

WASHINGTON — Born in Canada to an American mother, Ted Cruz became an instant U.S. citizen. But under Canadian law, he also became a citizen of that country the moment he was born.

Unless the Texas Republican senator formally renounces that citizenship, he will remain a citizen of both countries, legal experts say.

That means he could assert the right to vote in Canada or even run for Parliament. On a lunch break from the U.S. Senate, he could head to the nearby embassy — the one flying a bright red maple leaf flag — pull out his Calgary, Alberta, birth certificate and obtain a passport.

“He’s a Canadian,” said Toronto lawyer Stephen Green, past chairman of the Canadian Bar Association’s Citizenship and Immigration Section.

The circumstances of Cruz’s birth have fueled a simmering debate over his eligibility to run for president. Knowingly or not, dual citizenship is an apparent if inconvenient truth for the tea party firebrand, who shows every sign he’s angling for the White House.

“Senator Cruz became a U.S. citizen at birth, and he never had to go through a naturalization process after birth to become a U.S. citizen,” said spokeswoman Catherine Frazier. “To our knowledge, he never had Canadian citizenship.”

The U.S. Constitution allows only a “natural born” American citizen to serve as president. Most legal scholars who have studied the question agree that includes an American born overseas to an American parent, such as Cruz.

The Constitution says nothing about would-be presidents born with dual citizenship.

Detractors have derided Cruz as “Canadian Ted,” saying he can’t run for president because he wasn’t born on U.S. soil.

Cruz, a Harvard-trained lawyer and former clerk for the U.S. chief justice, disagrees. He reasserted last week that being an American by birth makes him eligible.

Looking ahead

Two visits in recent weeks to Iowa, the first state to winnow the field of presidential candidates, set off a fresh flurry of commentary on the issue. He heads to New Hampshire, another early voting state, on Friday — another strong sign that he’s eyeing a 2016 run.

The political impact of his citizenship status remains to be seen. Doubts about President Barack Obama’s heritage dogged him throughout 2008 and persist among hardcore “birthers.”

Officials at Citizenship and Immigration Canada said that without a signed privacy waiver from Cruz, they cannot discuss his case.

“Generally speaking, under the Citizenship Act of 1947, those born in Canada were automatically citizens at birth unless their parent was a foreign diplomat,” said ministry spokeswoman Julie Lafortune.

For the first time, Cruz released his birth certificate Friday in response to inquiries from The Dallas Morning News.

Dated a month after his birth on Dec. 22, 1970, it shows that Rafael Edward Cruz was born to Rafael Bienvenido Cruz, a “geophysical consultant” born in Matanzas, Cuba, and the former Eleanor Elizabeth Wilson, born in Wilmington, Del.

Her status made the baby a U.S. citizen at birth. For that, U.S. law required at least one parent who was a U.S. citizen who had lived for at least a decade in the United States.

She registered his birth with the U.S. consulate, Frazier said, and the future senator received a U.S. passport in 1986 ahead of a high school trip to England.

Rafael Cruz, now a pastor in suburban Dallas, fled Cuba for Texas as a teen in 1957. He remained a Cuban citizen until he became a naturalized American in 2005.

Automatic citizenship

Until 1947, people born in Canada were British subjects. The system Canada adopted after that closely mirrors that of the U.S.

Both confer citizenship automatically to anyone born on their territory, and to children of citizens even when the birth takes place overseas.

By 1970, the Cruzes had moved to the Canadian oil patch, where they launched a seismic-data business. For purpose of citizenship, being foreigners made no difference.

“If a child was born in the territory, he is Canadian, period,” said France Houle, a law professor at the University of Montreal. “He can ask for a passport. He can vote.”

The fact that Cruz left Canada when he was 4 doesn’t affect his status there, either.

“If you leave when you’re 2 minutes old, you’re still an American. It’s the same in Canada,” said Allison Christians, a law professor at McGill University in Montreal. “He’s a Canadian citizen.”

Having practiced international tax law in the U.S. for 25 years, Christians has made a close study of citizenship rules. They often come into play in tax cases.

“They can feel as American as they want. But the question of citizenship is determined by the law of the territory in which you were physically born,” she said. “It’s not up to the Cruz family to decide whether they’re citizens.”

As a Cuban, Rafael Cruz probably could have requested citizenship for his son, experts said. Even if he’d wanted to, the Cuban Constitution bans dual citizenship. And the chance to register the child passed long ago.

“The U.S. and Cuba have very similar legal patterns and requirements,” said David Abraham, a professor of immigration and citizenship law at the University of Miami.

The situation reflects the overlapping jurisdictions, said Demetrios Papademetriou, president of the Washington-based Migration Policy Institute, who called birthright citizenship common in English-speaking countries.

“If Ted Cruz was born in Canada, he is Canadian. He is American. He is a dual citizen,” he said.

That’s not uncommon in Canada, especially in French-speaking Quebec. But even there it can cause headaches for politicians.

In 2006, Canada’s Liberal Party Leader Stéphane Dion — born in Quebec City and also a citizen of France, his mother’s homeland — gave into a public uproar. He promised, reluctantly, to give up his French citizenship if he became prime minister, which never happened.

Taxes

Unlike the U.S., which requires its citizens to pay taxes no matter where they live in the world, Canada only taxes people who reside there.

So there’s rarely much reason to relinquish Canadian citizenship.

For Cruz, though, it may become a political imperative. Though it would not affect his eligibility for the presidency, he could face questions about whether it’s appropriate for a commander in chief to have dual citizenship.

The relinquishment process is easy enough. It can take from a few weeks to a year. There’s a four-page form with a $100 fee. Applicants must appear before a special judge to prove they have citizenship elsewhere and aren’t engaged in fraud.

Records are kept private.

Green, one of Canada’s top immigration lawyers, has counseled pro sports teams, athletes and major corporations. He knows one person who renounced his Canadian citizenship as a condition of joining the U.S. Secret Service.

“I’ve done it for people,” he said. “No problem.”

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20130818-born-in-canada-ted-cruz-became-a-citizen-of-that-country-as-well-as-u.s..ece

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Re: Cruz 2016
« Reply #84 on: August 19, 2013, 12:46:58 PM »
Oh so when its a republican the media startes doing its job? Where were these assholes 6 years ago?

Oh yeah...... ::)
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Re: Cruz 2016
« Reply #85 on: August 19, 2013, 02:50:18 PM »
CRUZ

two letters shy of CRAZY
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Re: Cruz 2016
« Reply #86 on: August 19, 2013, 04:12:13 PM »
Oh so when its a republican the media startes doing its job? Where were these assholes 6 years ago?

Hmmm I didn't know "its job" was to hold integrity or ask tough Qs or get to thenitty gritty or expose corruption.

I was under the impression that "the media" was really just a bunch of entertainment channels/print outlets - just like BET or MtV or Oprah network - whose "job" was to earn profits for its shareholders.

Maybe in some black & white film from the 30s, people became journalists to "expose conspiracies" and "tell the people the truth".  Today?  Sheesh, that's all gone.  "Journalists" are beauty contest winners that read script that comes right from party leaders.  You know its' true dude.  Megyn Kelly and Robin Meade sure ain't Murrow and Cronkite.  And really, we don't know if Murrow and Cronkite were ever the stalwart integrity guys painted on tv as well, do we?

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Re: Cruz 2016
« Reply #87 on: August 20, 2013, 07:30:34 AM »
CRUZ

two letters shy of CRAZY

Explain how exactly he is crazy.

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Re: Cruz 2016
« Reply #88 on: August 20, 2013, 09:10:49 AM »
Explain how exactly he is crazy.

Still waiting for StrawAnus to explain that. He keeps dodging it, though.

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Re: Cruz 2016
« Reply #89 on: August 20, 2013, 11:24:50 AM »
Cruz says he will renounce any Canadian citizenship after releasing birth certificate
Published August 20, 2013
FoxNews.com
 
Texas Republican Sen. Ted Cruz says he will renounce any Canadian citizenship he may have after a newspaper reported he was likely a dual citizen because he was born in Calgary, Alberta to an American mother.

In a statement late Monday, Cruz says he always assumed since he never made an attempt to claim Canadian citizenship, he was only an American citizen. However, he acknowledges it's possible he also has Canadian citizenship, as reported by The Dallas Morning News.

“Assuming that is true, then sure, I will renounce any Canadian citizenship," Cruz said. "Nothing against Canada, but I’m an American by birth and as a U.S. senator; I believe I should be only an American.”

The debate arose when the possible 2016 Republican presidential candidate, in a throwback to the debate over President Obama's citizenship, released his birth certificate to The Dallas Morning News.

Unlike the 2008 flare-up over Obama's nationality, few are challenging what the birth certificate shows -- in this case, that Cruz was born to an American mother in Calgary, Canada, in 1970.

The newspaper cited legal scholars in asserting Cruz is technically a U.S. and a Canadian citizen, since Canadian law confers citizenship to most the moment they are born on Canadian soil.

A spokeswoman with Citizenship and Immigration Canada would not discuss the particulars of Cruz' citizenship when reached by FoxNews.com.

But the law does seem clear that somebody in Cruz' circumstances would be considered a Canadian citizen.

"Generally speaking, under the Citizenship Act of 1947, those born in Canada were automatically citizens at birth unless their parent was a foreign diplomat," the spokeswoman told FoxNews.com in an email.

 If Cruz does indeed hold dual citizenship, it does not affect his eligibility to run for the White House. It could, however, prompt calls for him to renounce his Canadian citizenship all the same.

Under U.S. law, the fact Cruz was born to a U.S. citizen parent already makes him a U.S. citizen. Many scholars also have said it makes him what the U.S. Constitution describes as a "natural-born" American, and therefore eligible to run for president.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/20/cruz-disputes-claim-dual-citizenship-with-canada-releases-birth-certificate/?test=latestnews#ixzz2cXEjtubk

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Re: Cruz 2016
« Reply #90 on: August 20, 2013, 11:50:32 AM »
Good.  It's a cute footnote, but doesn't affect his ability to be president.  Being born in calgary doesn't exactly help him like being born in Montana would lol, but hey, he's legal and can be POTUS. 

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Re: Cruz 2016
« Reply #91 on: August 20, 2013, 11:59:30 AM »
I posted this on another Cruz topic but got no real answer. Hopefully I can get one here.

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Haven't followed the whole Cruz case but it appears Cruz's father was not an American (it is claimed he was later naturalized), his mother was an American and he was born outside of the USA (Canada).
Obama's father was not an American, his mother was an American and he was born in the USA (or outside of the USA if you subscribe to this line of thought).
How does one automatically fulfill the "natural born citizen" requirement and the other doesn't?
As I said I have not followed the Cruz hype or the birther bandwagon so can someone shed some light on this?

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Re: Cruz 2016
« Reply #92 on: August 20, 2013, 04:39:07 PM »
Explain how exactly he is crazy.
watch and listen to him.  He has those Michele Bachmann eyes.
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Re: Cruz 2016
« Reply #93 on: August 20, 2013, 06:03:45 PM »
watch and listen to him.  He has those Michele Bachmann eyes.

Well that settles it. The gay doesn't like the look in his eyes.  ::)


Have anything else to explain it? Keep in mind that Cruz is Harvard and Princeton educated and has argued dozens of cases in front of the supreme court. Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz has called him one of the most brilliant students he ever taught.

But you don't like his eyes.

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Re: Cruz 2016
« Reply #94 on: August 21, 2013, 07:18:11 AM »
watch and listen to him.  He has those Michele Bachmann eyes.

I don't see that at all. Bachmann is a petty attention whore who says stupid shit.

Cruz is highly intellligent and reasonable and makes sense.

You libs have fallen on the old ron pau default-" well we can't debate him or prove him wrong with facts so we will just..uh..uh just say that he's crazy."

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Re: Cruz 2016
« Reply #95 on: August 21, 2013, 10:29:26 AM »
EVERY SINGLE PERSON in the top level of politics is, well, a little bit crazy.  Every one.  Yes, Ron paul.  Yes, obama and Bush.

many have huge egos, many are power hungry, some are zealots, some really care about their cause.  Some don't. 

But yes, they're all a little crazy to take this job.

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Re: Cruz 2016
« Reply #96 on: August 21, 2013, 11:38:01 AM »
He's a rookie and just made a rookie mistake.
"we're not going to blink"

but, of course, the GOP will.
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Re: Cruz 2016
« Reply #97 on: August 21, 2013, 11:58:52 AM »
He's a rookie and just made a rookie mistake.
"we're not going to blink"

but, of course, the GOP will.


Still waiting for you and StrawAnus to explain to us how he's "crazy".  ::)

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Re: Cruz 2016
« Reply #98 on: August 21, 2013, 12:54:48 PM »
Still waiting for you and StrawAnus to explain to us how he's "crazy".  ::)

What's the point Fairy

You've been given many examples in the past but you're too busy sucking Cruz's cock to pay attention


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Re: Cruz 2016
« Reply #99 on: August 21, 2013, 07:51:22 PM »
What's the point Fairy

You've been given many examples in the past but you're too busy sucking Cruz's cock to pay attention



You sound angry.

All I see in this thread is you crying like a little bitch.