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What is the purpose of Amnesty exactly?
« on: May 03, 2013, 07:42:27 PM »

Laid out brilliantly once again. Why is this asinine immigration bill supposed to be good for the United States?



Source: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/347340/immigration-transformation

The Immigration Transformation
A rational immigration reform would attempt to reorient, not accelerate, current policy.
By Mark Steyn

Most countries in the world have irrelevant numbers of “immigrants.” In the Americas, for example, only Canada, America, and the British West Indies have significant non-native populations. In Mexico, immigrants account for 0.6 percent of the population, and that generally negligible level prevails all the way down through Latin America until you hit a blip of 1.4 percent with Chile and 3.8 percent in Argentina. There’s an isolated exception in Belize, which, like the English Caribbean, has historical patterns of internal migration within the British Commonwealth, such as one sees, for example, in the number of New Zealand–born residents of Australia. But profound sweeping demographic transformation through immigration is a phenomenon only of the Western world in the modern era, and even there America leads the way.

Over 20 percent of all the immigrants on the planet are in the United States. The country’s foreign-born population has doubled in the last two decades to 40 million — officially. Which is the equivalent of Washington taking a decision to admit every single living Canadian, and throwing in the population of New Zealand as a bonus. Thank goodness they didn’t do that, eh? (Whoops.) Otherwise, America would have been subject to some hideous, freakish cultural transformation in which there would be hockey franchises in Florida, and Canadian banks on every street corner in New York trumpeting their obnoxious jingoistic slogans (“TD: America’s neighborhood bank”), and creepy little pop stars with weird foreign names like Justin and Carly Rae doing the jobs America’s teen heartthrobs won’t do. What a vile alien nightmare that would be to wake up in.


Not so very long ago, its national mythology notwithstanding, the United States was little different from most other countries. In 1970, its foreign-born population was 4.7 percent. And, while most of the West has embraced mass immigration in the last half-century, America differs significantly from those developed countries, like Canada and Australia, that favor skilled migrants. Personally, I don’t see what’s so enlightened and progressive about denuding Third World nations of their best and brightest to be your doctors and nurses, but it does demonstrate a certain ruthless self-interest. By contrast the majority of U.S. foreign-born residents now come from Latin America, and more than a quarter of them — 12 million — from Mexico. A policy of “family reunification” will by definition lead to low-skilled immigrants: An engineer or computer scientist is less likely to bring in an unending string of relatives — because his dad’s a millionaire businessman in Bangalore and his brother’s a barrister in London, and they’re both happy and prosperous where they are. Insofar as there is any economic benefit to mass immigration, it’s more than entirely wiped out by chain importation of elderly dependents and other clients for the Big Government state.

So any rational immigration reform that respected the interests of the American people would attempt to reorient present policy. Instead, the Gang of Eight’s bill will cement it, and accelerate it. According to Numbers USA, if the immigration bill passed, it would increase the legal population of the United States by 33 million in its first decade. That figure includes 11.7 million amnestied illegals and their children, plus 17 million family members imported through chain migration, with a few software designers on business visas to round out the numbers.

Thirty-three million is like importing the entire population of Canada . . . oh, wait, we did that shtick three paragraphs ago. Okay, if you’re black, look at it this way: The demographic clout it took you guys four centuries to amass can now be accomplished overnight at a stroke of Chuck Schumer’s and Lindsey Graham’s pens. And, if you belong to the 40 percent of Americans who’ll be encountering many of these “chain migrants” in the application line for low-skilled service jobs, isn’t it great to know that in this gangbusters economy you’re going to have to pedal even faster just to go nowhere?

Speaking of demographic clout, the main reason for not importing 33 million Canadians is that they’re supposedly a bunch of liberal pantywaists and the Republican party would never be elected to anything ever again. But fortunately 33 million Latin Americans are, as we’ve been assured time and again by Charles Krauthammer and other eminent voices, “a natural conservative constituency” — which I think translates into Spanish as “una parte del electorado conservador natural.” I Googled this phrase and it got no hits, so perhaps Dr. Krauthammer got lost in translation. But I’ll take his word for it that, once America assumes the demographics of California, the Republican party will be unstoppable.

Aside from that electoral windfall, the benefits of Schumer-Rubio “comprehensive” “reform” seem doubtful. Every new arrest in the Boston Marathon bombing reveals some laughably obvious breach of the system. Alert to the possibility that the involvement of various hardworking immigrants in the recent unpleasantness might not be the best advertisement for his bill, John McCain is now proposing that the United States look more carefully at admitting persons “from countries that have histories such as Dagestan and Chechnya and others where there has been significant influence of radical Islamic extremism.” Incendiary Chechens is nothing a bit more bureaucratic oversight can’t cure.

The problem with this instant solution is that Chechnya and Dagestan are not “countries” — or, to be more precise, are not sovereign nations. They’re subnational jurisdictions of the Russian Federation, whose citizens travel on Russian passports. This would be the equivalent of permitting United Kingdom immigrants from Wales and Scotland, but not from England and Northern Ireland. Senator McCain’s proposal could in theory work — if you believe that our post-9/11 state-of-the-art “smart government” will have no trouble distinguishing between a guy from St. Petersburg, and a fellow from Makhachkala, formerly Petrovsk, the Dagestani capital once named after the same tsar as Petersburg. But, if you’re a wee bit skeptical that U.S. immigration officials are capable of distinguishing a Russian from one city named after Peter the Great from a Russian from another city named after Peter the Great, it’s a bit of a long shot — and that’s before the Dagestani from Petrovsk takes the precaution of getting a post-office box in St. Petersburg.

So McCain’s intervention is useful only insofar as it reminds us of the gulf between political “solutions” and reality. When I came to this great land, I was initially worried that the government might find out about my unpaid parking tickets in Moose Jaw and the chain of unsolved prostitute murders in the port of Hamburg. My immigration lawyer explained to me that the examiners devote six minutes to each application, and then say yea or nay. I’m confident that if we toss another 33 million into the mix, we can get that six minutes cut by two-thirds. Much of which can be devoted to checking the background of Dagestani applicants, assuming the immigration official takes no more than three attempts to type “Makhachkala” correctly.

And so it will go with all the other much-vaunted “triggers”: Chances of them ever having any meaningful impact? Zero percent. The Daily Caller has already identified in the bill 999 references to “waivers, exemptions, or political discretion,” meaning that all these “triggers” will be in the hands of a federal bureaucracy that will never pull them, and will take its cue from the left-wing immigration-lobby groups the new bill funds so generously. So what’s the big deal about making McCain’s Dagestani crackdown the 1,000th meaningless safeguard that will be entirely ignored?

Beneath the phony “triggers,” an already rapid transformation of America is about to be speeded up. An informed citizenry would trade all the triggers for a straight answer to one simple question:

Why?

— Mark Steyn, a National Review columnist, is the author of After America: Get Ready for Armageddon. © 2013 Mark Steyn

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Re: What is the purpose of Amnesty exactly?
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2013, 07:49:12 PM »
F RUBIO amd Obama



Im done 

Amnesty = admission of FAIL

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Re: What is the purpose of Amnesty exactly?
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2013, 07:55:46 PM »
Amnesty  chance for politicians to suck up to hispanic voters.   Dems winning points with Hispanic voters in every prez election since 2004, I think.

Bush 04 got 44% hispanic vote.
Mccain 08 got 33% i believe?
Romney got 27% of the vote.

Imagine if this continues, and the 2016 GOP offering gets 20% or less of the vote?  Dems win easily and contunially.  Hence Rubio's plan to support/spearhead/lead amnesty, so he can try to win their votes.

BUT
I don't understand... WHy would LEGAL hispanics who can vote SUPPORT the entry of illegals?  Like, if some candidate said "I support letting illegal europeans stay past their visa..." I would vote against them, not give them my vote because hey, i'm white, and so are those immigrants.

SO I do not know why they are related.  legal hispanics, i would THINK, would not like illegal criminals taking jobs and bringing down property value. 

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Re: What is the purpose of Amnesty exactly?
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2013, 06:26:04 AM »
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Re: What is the purpose of Amnesty exactly?
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2013, 06:26:57 AM »
I love how these disgusting pos say these illegals are going to pay back taxes.


LMFAO!!!!

Really? 


LOL


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Re: What is the purpose of Amnesty exactly?
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2013, 08:33:08 AM »
Romney lost because at least 3 million fewer REPUBLICANS showed up, pure and simple.

Sucking up to Latinos, via amnesty, would have been a waste of time. One (as Rush puts it), the Dems aren't going to just give away a hunk of their voters.

Two, Romney would have needed at least 73% of the Latino vote, to beat Obama for the presidency. The most any Republican ever gained was 44% (President Bush, 2004).

Three, Latinos are unevenly distributed. Most of them live in states that are automatically red or automatically blue. In the swing states, Romney would have needed nearly ALL of the Hispanic vote to win.

As I posted nearly a year ago, it was and still is all about the WHITE voters. Obama didn't get enough of them to win, as predicted (Heck, his campaign pretty much wrote them off). What shocked me and several others is that Romney didn't get enough of them to win. Too many of them just sat the 2012 election out.

Even with Obama getting 73% of the Hispanic vote and 93% of the black vote, even with his so-called evolving on gay "marriage", all Romney had to do is just MATCH McCain's numbers with the GOP voters (especially the white ones) and he'd be in the White House.

The reason Romney didn't get them: He didn't push the social conservative agenda, hard enough. THEY are the ones that stayed home.

Without the social conservatives, no Republican is winning the White House. You can suck up to Latinos 'till the cows come home; you can pander to homos and support gay "marriage" all the live long day. It won't work!

It's as I've always said: If you're a Republican, you MAY NOT win with the social conservatives; but you WILL NOT win without them.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-winning-hispanic-vote-would-not-be-enough-for-gop/article/2528730


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Re: What is the purpose of Amnesty exactly?
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2013, 09:32:49 AM »
It's as I've always said: If you're a Republican, you MAY NOT win with the social conservatives; but you WILL NOT win without them.

I've always thought the social conservatives split up the vote so much that 1-2 RINOS ended up winning the nomination?

With 5-6 tea partiers and 1-2 moderates, the odds are stacked in bachmann, perry, cain, ron paul, santorum and the others splliting up 80% while mitt romney (with 75% of the party HATING HIM) ends up winning by default with one a quarter of the vote.

agreed?

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Re: What is the purpose of Amnesty exactly?
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2013, 09:45:29 AM »
I've always thought the social conservatives split up the vote so much that 1-2 RINOS ended up winning the nomination?

With 5-6 tea partiers and 1-2 moderates, the odds are stacked in bachmann, perry, cain, ron paul, santorum and the others splliting up 80% while mitt romney (with 75% of the party HATING HIM) ends up winning by default with one a quarter of the vote.

agreed?

Romney was the favorite, going into 2012; and, for the most part, he had the most experience.

Romney's downfall was twofold: Not courting the social conservatives enough and not going for the throat against Obama. I recall Rush stating that he hoped Romney was as vicious with Obama, as he was with Perry, Santorum, Cain et. al.

It turns out he was not. Of course, many were LIVID when Romney turned into a paraplegic sheep in the last debate, after completely dismembered Obama in the first one.

Bottom line: Many of the social conservatives STAYED HOME. That's why Romney got beat, not because of the Hispanic vote. Did you ever think that Romney would not even be able to match McCain's numbers from 2008?


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Re: What is the purpose of Amnesty exactly?
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2013, 09:51:59 AM »
Romney was the favorite, going into 2012; and, for the most part, he had the most experience.

Romney's downfall was twofold: Not courting the social conservatives enough and not going for the throat against Obama. I recall Rush stating that he hoped Romney was as vicious with Obama, as he was with Perry, Santorum, Cain et. al.

It turns out he was not. Of course, many were LIVID when Romney turned into a paraplegic sheep in the last debate, after completely dismembered Obama in the first one.

Bottom line: Many of the social conservatives STAYED HOME. That's why Romney got beat, not because of the Hispanic vote. Did you ever think that Romney would not even be able to match McCain's numbers from 2008?



once i got to the fort myers voting station and had to wait 3 hours in the rain to vote - and two relatives had to LEAVE the voting because lines were so long - I realized obama had florida (and the election) in the bag.   

Dems had florida voting working like mud.  Which benefitted obama in a big way.  Elderly couldn't wait 3 to 7 hours (yes, oreilly said lee county was 7 hours at times) in the RAIN to vote.  Impossible.  and people with kids too.

who is the 2016 favorite?  Another RINO, jeb or rubio?   I guess we know the social cons will stay home again and dem wins again?

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Re: What is the purpose of Amnesty exactly?
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2013, 10:12:37 AM »
Jeb is a RINO and not a serious choice for President. No Democrats and Half the GOP will not even consider voting for him. Rubio is not ready to run for President and has alienated the base so much with this immigration bill farce, that I doubt he will even bother running.

Christie is a likely contender. Rand Paul is a likely contender. And I'm telling you, Ted Cruz is the darkhorse of the 2016 race.

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Re: What is the purpose of Amnesty exactly?
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2013, 12:12:32 PM »
Jeb is a RINO and not a serious choice for President. No Democrats and Half the GOP will not even consider voting for him. Rubio is not ready to run for President and has alienated the base so much with this immigration bill farce, that I doubt he will even bother running.

Christie is a likely contender. Rand Paul is a likely contender. And I'm telling you, Ted Cruz is the darkhorse of the 2016 race.

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Re: What is the purpose of Amnesty exactly?
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2013, 03:38:21 PM »
We have to pass amnesty to get all those hard working Latinos "out of the shadows".   ::)

Also, we need to do it so we can slit our own throats economically and politically. 

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Re: What is the purpose of Amnesty exactly?
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2013, 06:16:48 PM »
Purpose is to change the demographics of this country in a way that ensures the Democrats stay in power for the foreseeable future.

I find it funny that the blacks are apparently going along with this whole amnesty thing as they stand to lose the most from it.

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Re: What is the purpose of Amnesty exactly?
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2013, 08:43:22 PM »
Amnesty  chance for politicians to suck up to hispanic voters.   Dems winning points with Hispanic voters in every prez election since 2004, I think.

Bush 04 got 44% hispanic vote.
Mccain 08 got 33% i believe?
Romney got 27% of the vote.

Imagine if this continues, and the 2016 GOP offering gets 20% or less of the vote?  Dems win easily and contunially.  Hence Rubio's plan to support/spearhead/lead amnesty, so he can try to win their votes.

BUT
I don't understand... WHy would LEGAL hispanics who can vote SUPPORT the entry of illegals?  Like, if some candidate said "I support letting illegal europeans stay past their visa..." I would vote against them, not give them my vote because hey, i'm white, and so are those immigrants.

SO I do not know why they are related.  legal hispanics, i would THINK, would not like illegal criminals taking jobs and bringing down property value. 
The promotion of mass immigration into the USA is not really done to increase votes. What makes you think the voting system is honest? For all you know they could just grab a number out of the air and claim 55,005,643 voted Republican and 65,002,987 voted Democratic.

No, the mass immigration is designed to stamp out the white European population of the USA. It started in earnest in 1965. The same agenda has been followed in all white countries. It is not an accident and it is not done to increase diversity. These are all lies. War has been declared on the white race - especially the straight, Christian kind. The powers that be have not interest in a large population of white, straight Christians.