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question about cardio calorie burning estimates
« on: May 06, 2013, 08:42:54 PM »
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Re: question about cardio calorie burning estimates
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2013, 08:45:03 PM »
so, if one does cardio and the machine says he burned 500cals in 1 hr of whatever, does that mean 500calories total or 500 above what the body burns anyway at rest?

and also, how would the machine know how much calories are burned, the machine dont know if its used by a mass monster(say,cswol 280lbs,son)or slender guy(me,170lbs)?


Some machines have you input weight and then it just measures distance, rotations, speed etc... and time and makes an approximation.  Its not going to be ever accurate, just ball park.  Its not relevant or necessary to be accurate.  Its calories burned from doing the exercise.

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Re: question about cardio calorie burning estimates
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2013, 08:54:48 PM »
without bodyweight consideration it's nonsense. It's probably calculated using physics: Energy = Force*distance/time. How much force you use depends on your bodyweight, how fast your are running, and biomechanics of your body. These are ballpark estimates as TA was saying because you can't account for all the individual differences.
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Re: question about cardio calorie burning estimates
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2013, 08:58:23 PM »
what about heart rate monitor??are they more accurate??i got one but never really uses them
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Re: question about cardio calorie burning estimates
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2013, 09:01:45 PM »
These machines already include your bmr metabolic needs.

...but 500 calories is an overestimation for sure. More like 250cal-300cal depending on intensity. 

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Re: question about cardio calorie burning estimates
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2013, 06:50:51 AM »
Cardio is great for getting fit.

Eating less is great for getting lean.

Eating less and doing cardio is a bit greater.

Not eating 300 kcals is far easier than running for an hour.

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Re: question about cardio calorie burning estimates
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2013, 07:10:14 AM »
so, if one does cardio and the machine says he burned 500cals in 1 hr of whatever, does that mean 500calories total or 500 above what the body burns anyway at rest?

and also, how would the machine know how much calories are burned, the machine dont know if its used by a mass monster(say,cswol 280lbs,son)or slender guy(me,170lbs)?




Fitness and fat loss in terms of a car metaphor:

Your body has a certain fuel efficiency rating that dictates how many "miles per gallon" of fuel (calories) you get. The higher the fuel efficiency, the more efficient your body is and the less fuel you need to get around. Bodies are designed to be very fuel efficient, so most of us have really high mpg. Because of this, we tend to put in a lot more fuel than we need, which our bodies thoughtfully store for us in the form of spare gas tanks (fat).

With me so far? Great.

Doing cardio is like driving really fast - you burn more fuel while you're doing it than your normal baseline mpg, but it doesn't do anything to change your fuel efficiency overall. So when you're not driving fast (which is most of the time) you go back to burning fuel very efficiently. Over time, if you really work at it, you can totally burn off those excess gas tanks with cardio, but now (since you weigh less) you need even less fuel to run at normal speeds. So it actually gets a lot easier to over-fuel and re-start that whole "extra fuel storage" problem all over again.

Muscles, OTOH, are like switching from a 4-cyl to an 8-cyl engine (or more, for really beefed up muscle cars). You get more power and speed, of course. But at the same time, bigger engines will always burn more fuel, even when they're just idling (sitting on your ass or sleeping). So by building muscle, you essentially tank the hell out of your fuel efficiency. And since muscle is denser than fat, you can get a lot smaller while still weighing the same amount, meaning that not only do you have to fuel a "gas guzzling" engine, but you're still pulling a lot of weight around that has to be fueled as well. Only it's healthy weight - reinforced chassis and frame, enhanced stabilizers, pimped out exterior, etc - not spare gas tanks. So there's less need to cut calories, although you may still have to if you need to lose fat. Oh, and the whole thing works best if you use the high test stuff (i.e. eating clean).

Editing to add: This is a very general analogy meant to apply to "average Joe weight loss guy" and more specifically to fat loss (I realize cardio has other benefits, but that wasn't the original topic). Also, this analogy may not apply when cardio = HIIT (HIIT is it's own special universe of cardio with it's own laws) and breaks down completely when you are doing cardio at competitive levels (i.e. duh, Micheal Phelps doesn't have to watch what he eats.)


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Re: question about cardio calorie burning estimates
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2013, 07:21:37 PM »
Machine cannot tell a person unique metabolism.

The estimates are a GENERAL GUIDELINE.

Run some steps then smoke a few heaters Galeniko, you will be fine.

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Re: question about cardio calorie burning estimates
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2013, 07:48:15 PM »
I know that Adonis and others don't believe in cardio but I am one of the few that actually like running for the sake of running.

I agree that the calories burned is total BS but 45 minutes of cardio is 45 minutes of cardio.
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Re: question about cardio calorie burning estimates
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2013, 07:51:09 PM »
so its what the exercise adds to what the body would burn at rest?

thx,i see, the calculation for different weights is useful tool.
no it does not, it calculates what you burn period but those are average numbers for the average joe, a highly muscular dude would put down way more calories as the muscles require more oxygen and more mechanical work overall

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Re: question about cardio calorie burning estimates
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2013, 07:54:22 PM »
so, if one does cardio and the machine says he burned 500cals in 1 hr of whatever, does that mean 500calories total or 500 above what the body burns anyway at rest?

and also, how would the machine know how much calories are burned, the machine dont know if its used by a mass monster(say,cswol 280lbs,son)or slender guy(me,170lbs)?

That means you burnt 500 in that session.  If your BMR is 2000, and you burnt 500 you would need 2500 to maintain weight.

People make fun of cardio, but I've been doing it hardcore for the last 6 months or so and it's made a tremendous difference.  I'm almost as lean as ever before, I sleep good, I'm obviously burning more calories (I like to eat more than I should), and I really believe it's had an effect on my metabolism.  I also use to get winded on high rep sets of deadlifts/squats.. I don't at all anymore, not one bit.  I can swim two 50 meter laps completely underwater.  ;D

I go hardcore for 30 minutes everyday, (450 Cals x 5 days per week = 2250 Calories)

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Re: question about cardio calorie burning estimates
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2013, 07:56:09 PM »
Cardio is great for getting fit.

Eating less is great for getting lean.

Eating less and doing cardio is a bit greater.

Not eating 300 kcals is far easier than running for an hour.

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one question i've always had along these lines: how accurate is a rowing machine's calorie counter?  the quantities displayed are astounding.  and since your bodyweight plays a relatively little role in the process (compared to running on a treadmill), i assume it should be more accurate.  if i go hard and "sprint" on the rowing machine, i can burn 400 calories in about 5 minutes, something which would take me 20 minutes to do on the treadmill.

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Re: question about cardio calorie burning estimates
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2013, 07:59:22 PM »
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one question i've always had along these lines: how accurate is a rowing machine's calorie counter?  the quantities displayed are astounding.  and since your bodyweight plays a relatively little role in the process (compared to running on a treadmill), i assume it should be more accurate.  if i go hard and "sprint" on the rowing machine, i can burn 400 calories in about 5 minutes, something which would take me 20 minutes to do on the treadmill.
there is not a treadmill on the planet that would read that you burnt 400 calories in 20 min, not even if you typed in that you were 500lb running at 10 miles per hour. It must be broken.

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Re: question about cardio calorie burning estimates
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2013, 08:03:41 PM »
there is not a treadmill on the planet that would read that you burnt 400 calories in 20 min, not even if you typed in that you were 500lb running at 10 miles per hour. It must be broken.

???

it doesn't have a weight input, but i go at an average rate of maybe 9 mph for 20 minutes, then walk for another 3 minutes at 3.5 and i think its usually around 400

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Re: question about cardio calorie burning estimates
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2013, 08:05:01 PM »
i wonder how much average joe would burn, as he got very little muscle,in an hour, compared to a mass monster like,lets say...me ;D

but i seriously wonder.

do big guys burn off more during sleep than thin guys moving?

where are charts?i find this highly interesting
I have looked into a bit, it's all relative some 300lb monsters can drop weight eating 3000 calories per day and some 200 pounders need to go as low as 1600 so basically the 300lb bodybuilder is burning nearly double on everything he does.

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Re: question about cardio calorie burning estimates
« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2013, 08:06:44 PM »
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it doesn't have a weight input, but i go at an average rate of maybe 9 mph for 20 minutes, then walk for another 3 minutes at 3.5 and i think its usually around 400
really, OK maybe I am mistaken, my bad,.. I usually would run at 7.8 for an hour and it would be 800 calories but you are running at 9, wow bro that is fucken fast pace.

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Re: question about cardio calorie burning estimates
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2013, 04:06:30 AM »
Nothing burns off fat faster than running hard.