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« on: May 12, 2013, 12:50:02 PM »


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Re: IRS
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2013, 01:14:11 PM »
To be fair, this is the same IRS that operated under Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter....etc etc

People can point out corruption in the government till they are blue in the face, they can rant and rave on the politics threads about how much better the Republicans are to the Democrats and visa versa and swear all it will take to straighten out his country is if ____ wins the Presidential race and ______ is the majority in the house and sentate. However, until the current tax system is overhauled and replaced with a flat tax and loopholes are closed across the board, then I will never believe the citizens have the power to see any positive changes no matter who is in power at the time...

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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2013, 01:25:22 PM »
She looks good. Nice little whore belt she's got on.

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Re: IRS
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2013, 02:24:31 PM »
  She is hot

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« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2013, 03:07:20 PM »
  She is hot

I concur.

I would definitely fuck that crazy bitch.  Even her detractors can't deny that she's quite sexy for her age.  And from what I gather, Wasilla prides itself on the quality of their marijuana.  I could never quite picture Sarah with, say, a Marlboro Light; I can, however, very EASILY see her smoking tons of the local ganja.  Probably still does.

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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2013, 04:21:57 PM »
I concur.

I would definitely fuck that crazy bitch.  Even her detractors can't deny that she's quite sexy for her age.  And from what I gather, Wasilla prides itself on the quality of their marijuana.  I could never quite picture Sarah with, say, a Marlboro Light; I can, however, very EASILY see her smoking tons of the local ganja.  Probably still does.

Yeah, haven't been getting laid much due to relationship issues, I'd think about it.  ;D

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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2013, 04:46:26 PM »
To be fair, this is the same IRS that operated under Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter....etc etc

People can point out corruption in the government till they are blue in the face, they can rant and rave on the politics threads about how much better the Republicans are to the Democrats and visa versa and swear all it will take to straighten out his country is if ____ wins the Presidential race and ______ is the majority in the house and sentate. However, until the current tax system is overhauled and replaced with a flat tax and loopholes are closed across the board, then I will never believe the citizens have the power to see any positive changes no matter who is in power at the time...

excellent post.

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« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2013, 05:08:27 PM »
To be fair, this is the same IRS that operated under Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter....etc etc

People can point out corruption in the government till they are blue in the face, they can rant and rave on the politics threads about how much better the Republicans are to the Democrats and visa versa and swear all it will take to straighten out his country is if ____ wins the Presidential race and ______ is the majority in the house and sentate. However, until the current tax system is overhauled and replaced with a flat tax and loopholes are closed across the board, then I will never believe the citizens have the power to see any positive changes no matter who is in power at the time...

a flat tax? are you serious? so someone who makes a billion dollars in a year, should pay the same amount of money as someone who made 50k?

unless you mean a flat percentage I think thats a crappy idea.

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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2013, 05:54:27 PM »
a flat tax? are you serious? so someone who makes a billion dollars in a year, should pay the same amount of money as someone who made 50k?

unless you mean a flat percentage I think thats a crappy idea.
Of course he means flat percentage. That is the only fair method. The rich would pay alot more that they do now, thats why we will never see it pass.

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« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2013, 05:56:16 PM »
When Ross P ran for President he said he only pays about 2% taxes because of all his write offs and he makes serious money.

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« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2013, 06:13:52 PM »
Would've been a great prez!  :-*

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« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2013, 07:59:20 PM »
A flat tax would disproportionately affect poorer and lower-end middle class families a lot moreso than the wealthier groups. Let us say that a family makes 20k a year and the flat tax rate is 20%.........their net income would be 18k.....that missing 2k could definitely mean choosing whether to eat or pay the light bell.  Whereas a family making 200k would have to end up getting a Chrysler instead of a BMW due to that flat tax rate.

As far as targeting goes, various conservative groups' members are more likely to avoid taxes due to their consistent rhetoric about well, hating the IRS and not funding welfare and other social programs.

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« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2013, 08:30:17 PM »
A flat tax would disproportionately affect poorer and lower-end middle class families a lot moreso than the wealthier groups. Let us say that a family makes 20k a year and the flat tax rate is 20%.........their net income would be 18k.....that missing 2k could definitely mean choosing whether to eat or pay the light bell.  Whereas a family making 200k would have to end up getting a Chrysler instead of a BMW due to that flat tax rate.

As far as targeting goes, various conservative groups' members are more likely to avoid taxes due to their consistent rhetoric about well, hating the IRS and not funding welfare and other social programs.
You didn't do well in math, so I will help. 20% of 20k is 4k, so the net would be 16k. 20% is a high flat tax. I would like to see 10% flat tax, so if u make 20k u pay 2k, 200k u pay 20k, 2 million u pay 200k, 20 million u pay 2 million, etc.

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Re: IRS
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2013, 08:50:34 PM »

Tax-exempt groups organized under section 501(c)(4) of the Internal Revenue Code are allowed to engage in some political activity, but the primary focus of their efforts must remain promoting social welfare.

The new disclosures are likely to inflame a widening controversy over IRS handling of dozens of applications by tea-party, patriot and other conservative groups for tax-exempt status.

The details emerged from disclosures to congressional investigators by the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration. The findings, which were reviewed by The Wall Street Journal, don't make clear who came up with the idea to give extra scrutiny to the conservative groups.
 




The Internal Revenue Service inappropriately flagged conservative political groups for additional reviews during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax exempt status. John McKinnon reports on the News Hub.
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The inspector general's office has been conducting an audit of the IRS's handling of the applications process and is expected to release a report this week. The audit follows complaints last year by numerous tea-party and other conservative groups that they had been singled out and subjected to excessive and inappropriate questioning. Many groups say they were asked for lists of their donors and other sensitive information.

On Sunday, a government official said the report will note that IRS officials told investigators that no one outside the IRS was involved in developing the criteria the agency now acknowledges were flawed.
 
On Friday, Lois Lerner, head of the IRS tax-exempt-organizations division, said the agency was "apologetic" for what she termed "absolutely inappropriate" actions by lower-level workers. She said those workers had selected some conservative groups for extra scrutiny to determine whether their applications should be approved. She said they had picked groups for extra scrutiny according to whether they had "tea party" or "patriot" in their names, among other criteria.

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Ms. Lerner came to the IRS in 2001 from the Federal Election Commission, and assumed her current position in 2006. IRS officials said Sunday that Ms. Lerner wasn't available for comment, and she didn't respond to an emailed request.

GOP lawmakers stepped up their criticism on Sunday. "The bottom line is [IRS officials] used key words to go after conservatives," Rep. Darrell Issa (R., Calif.), said Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press." "There has to be accountability for the people who did it. And, quite frankly…there's got to be accountability for people who were telling lies about it being done."
 
Some Democrats also voiced criticism. "I'm concerned about that," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D., Calif.), also on NBC. "Somebody made the decision that they would give extra scrutiny to this particular group. And I think we have to understand why."

The IRS said over the weekend it is in the process of independently confirming the dates mentioned on the timeline of events contained in the inspector general report, "but we believe the [inspector general's] timeline is correct." The IRS said the report supports its view that its missteps weren't politically motivated and were limited to lower-level workers.

The IRS also said the report reflects that "IRS senior leadership was not aware of this level of specific details" at the time of a March 2012 hearing where Mr. Shulman denied any targeting of conservative groups. Mr. Shulman, who no longer works for the IRS, declined to comment.
 
The new details suggest that agency workers were examining statements in applications for tax-exempt status to determine whether groups had political leanings.
 
Tax-exempt social-welfare groups organized under section 501(c)(4) of the Internal Revenue Code are allowed to engage in some political activity, but the primary focus of their efforts must remain promoting social welfare. That social-welfare activity can include lobbying and advocating for issues and legislation, but not outright political-campaign activity. But some of the rules leave room for IRS officials to make judgment calls and probe individual groups for further information.
 
Organizing as such a group is desirable, not just because such entities typically don't have to pay taxes, but also because they generally don't have to identify their donors.

IRS officials said last week that the focused review of conservative groups was initiated by lower-level civil servants in the IRS Cincinnati office, not by political appointees in Washington, and that it wasn't politically motivated. They say it stemmed from a misguided effort to centralize review of a growing number of applications for tax-exempt 501(c)(4) status.

But questions continued to swirl about the failure of IRS officials to disclose the problems until the inspector general's report was about to become public.

The timeline contained in the draft report indicates that IRS scrutiny of tea-party and other conservative groups began as early as 2010 and came to the attention of Ms. Lerner, the head of the tax-exempt-organizations division, at least by the following year.

The report's timeline indicates that the criteria were changed to be more neutral in July 2011 after Ms. Lerner "raised concerns." The criteria for heightened scrutiny continued to evolve over the next year or so, even as complaints from tea-party groups—and questions from GOP lawmakers—mounted over IRS inquiries to various groups about their activities.

Letters from Ms. Lerner in April and May 2012 responding to questions by Republican lawmakers made no mention of the problems that had surfaced in the IRS unit.

According to the draft report, on April 24 and 25 of last year, officials in Ms. Lerner's office were reviewing "troubling questions" that had been asked of organizations, including "the names of donors."

Ms. Lerner's April 26 letter to Mr. Issa, the chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said that "there are instances where donor information may be needed…such as when the application presents possible issues of…private benefit."

The report indicates that in 2010 and 2011, some IRS workers weren't just singling out groups because their names contained certain words, as IRS officials suggested on Friday, but appeared to be probing for indications of political interests or leanings.
 
According to the report, by June 2011 some IRS specialists were probing applications using the following criteria: "issues include government spending, government debt or taxes; education of the public by advocacy/lobbying to 'make America a better place to live'; statements in the case file criticize how the country is being run."
 
Write to John D. McKinnon at john.mckinnon@wsj.com and Siobhan Hughes at siobhan.hughes@dowjones.com
 

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Re: IRS
« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2013, 10:52:25 AM »
To be fair, this is the same IRS that operated under Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter....etc etc

People can point out corruption in the government till they are blue in the face, they can rant and rave on the politics threads about how much better the Republicans are to the Democrats and visa versa and swear all it will take to straighten out his country is if ____ wins the Presidential race and ______ is the majority in the house and sentate. However, until the current tax system is overhauled and replaced with a flat tax and loopholes are closed across the board, then I will never believe the citizens have the power to see any positive changes no matter who is in power at the time...

Republicans would normally be calling for the head of the Commissioner if the IRS over targeting conservatives, except there IS no Commissioner. It is one of the thousands of Presidential appointments that they refuse to allow Obama to appoint.  Talk about coming back to bite them in the ass.

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« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2013, 11:41:34 AM »
To be fair, this is the same IRS that operated under Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter....etc etc

People can point out corruption in the government till they are blue in the face, they can rant and rave on the politics threads about how much better the Republicans are to the Democrats and visa versa and swear all it will take to straighten out his country is if ____ wins the Presidential race and ______ is the majority in the house and sentate. However, until the current tax system is overhauled and replaced with a flat tax and loopholes are closed across the board, then I will never believe the citizens have the power to see any positive changes no matter who is in power at the time...

Then you can surely point at examples during Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan and Carter administrations when the IRS targeted liberal or conservative political groups for additional reviews to threaten their tax exempt status.

If you can't, then it's clearly not the same IRS.


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« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2013, 11:43:46 AM »
Republicans would normally be calling for the head of the Commissioner if the IRS over targeting conservatives, except there IS no Commissioner. It is one of the thousands of Presidential appointments that they refuse to allow Obama to appoint.  Talk about coming back to bite them in the ass.

They knew about this from 2011 and it goes back to March 2010.   What did obama know and when did he know it?


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« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2013, 11:48:21 AM »
Republicans would normally be calling for the head of the Commissioner if the IRS over targeting conservatives, except there IS no Commissioner. It is one of the thousands of Presidential appointments that they refuse to allow Obama to appoint.  Talk about coming back to bite them in the ass.

Is this true?

They cant do anything right these people.

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« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2013, 12:15:42 PM »
Is this true?

They cant do anything right these people.

Let's see what the peanut gallery says.   ;D

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« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2013, 12:23:16 PM »
Let's see what the peanut gallery says.   ;D


Are you even following what happened?