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Re: IRS
« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2013, 12:45:52 PM »
Still no word on why there is no Commissioner in that spot?  This must sound crazy to idiots, but if you are worried about how well a particular agency is functioning, it MIGHT be a good idea to allow someone to run it.  Ya think?

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Re: IRS
« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2013, 04:39:48 AM »
To be fair, this is the same IRS that operated under Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter....etc etc

People can point out corruption in the government till they are blue in the face, they can rant and rave on the politics threads about how much better the Republicans are to the Democrats and visa versa and swear all it will take to straighten out his country is if ____ wins the Presidential race and ______ is the majority in the house and sentate. However, until the current tax system is overhauled and replaced with a flat tax and loopholes are closed across the board, ABOLISHED then I will never believe the citizens have the power to see any positive changes no matter who is in power at the time...

Corrected.

Countries can operate just fine without any system of taxation, ...just as the US did pre 1913, and as many do today.

Taxes are nothing more than the legislated theft of your wealth & labour. They are unnecessary.
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Re: IRS
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2013, 04:41:54 AM »
The IRS Targeting Scandal Could Disrupt Obamacare
 


Josh Boak and Eric Planin, The Fiscal Times|57 minutes ago|270|3
 


The Internal Revenue Service’s scandalous targeting of Tea Party-themed and other conservative groups could severely damage President Obama – but it’s not necessarily because anyone close to the White House sanctioned the allegedly independent actions by the tax collection agency.
 
In fact, the president was quick on Monday to condemn the actions exposed in an inspector general's report being released later this week.
 
The real fallout could be that it will impede Obamacare, which passed in 2010 under the official title of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
 
The IRS will largely administer this attempt at providing near-universal health insurance. It is responsible for overseeing the tax credits and tax increases in the law, and—most critically—ensuring that businesses and individuals comply with the individual mandate and other major provisions.
 
Prominent Republicans are already connecting the unpopular insurance program to the questions swirling around the IRS targeting of non-profits that grew out of the Tea Party movement.
 
For them, the scandal is just what the doctor ordered, a chance to attack the IRS--a perennial punching bag--as politically tainted while linking the scandal back to a massive implementation challenge confronting the administration. The House plans a symbolic vote this week to repeal Obamacare, the 37th time it has done so.
 
Former House Speaker and GOP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich declared Monday on MSNBC's "Morning Joe," "How can you put Obamacare under the Internal Revenue Service?
 
 “Why would you trust the bureaucracy with your health if you can’t trust the bureaucracy with your politics?" he said. "There are bureaucrats in the IRS who are capable of ruining your life while lying about it.”
 
"Americans should remember that this same corrupt IRS will be in charge of enforcing Obamacare," Sarah Palin wrote on her Facebook page Friday.  "Forgive me for not trusting these big government promises any more than I trust the White House’s latest Benghazi spin or the IRS’ fairness."
 
Ahead of a House Ways and Means Committee hearing this Friday about the IRS scandal, Rep. Diane Black, R-Tenn., said the IRS has no business monitoring anyone's health insurance information. "I will not rest until the full scope of the IRS’ corruption is uncovered, the guilty parties are held accountable, and actions are taken to ensure this never happens again," Black, a member of the committee, told Newsmax.
 
The IRS has undermined its own credibility on the issue. It initially claimed before a congressional committee that conservative groups were not under a special microscope. The agency then apologized last week for targeting that supposedly occurred out of a Cincinnati field office. But a new report by the Washington Post on Monday says that IRS officials in Washington and California also queried conservative groups, who were told at the time that a Washington-based task force was overseeing their applications.
 
But long before the current uproar over the IRS scrutiny of these politically motivated groups seeking non-profit status, Republicans were challenging budget and staffing levels at the IRS and demanding to know how much the agency intended to spend to implement Obama’s health care reform law.
 
The agency has been saddled with an expanding workload and relatively flat funding levels for years that have left the IRS unable to adequately perform its primary duties – collecting taxes, overseeing audits, and providing the public with reasonable service.
 
As a result, the agency has struggled to collect the hundreds of billions of dollars a year that the government is owed but not paid, Nina E. Olson, the national taxpayer advocate, said in her annual report to Congress last year.
 
Last June, a Government Accountability Office (GAO) report estimated that the IRS would spend $881 million of taxpayers’ money to implement the first four years of Obamacare, including about $500 million that the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) diverted to the agency.
 
The Administration has requested $440 million as part of its 2014 budget proposal to help the IRS prepare for implementing the health care law. And the IRS has estimated that it would need to assign a total of 2,195 employees to deal with health care reform by the end of this year.
 
Some Republicans believe that the IRS and administration are intentionally low-balling the actual cost and manpower needs. In March, Rep. Charles Boustany, R-La., the chairman of the House Ways and Means Oversight Subcommittee, called on the acting IRS commissioner Steven T. Miller to provide a detailed accounting on the costs of administering Obamacare.
 
Now with House Republican leaders furious about how the IRS treated conservative groups—despite their past denials— several analysts say it is possible the controversy could be used as another excuse to cut agency funding and manpower to further thwart implementing Obamacare.
 
“When people look at funding the IRS they’re going to take into account everything that’s out there,” said Floyd Williams, a former legislative affairs director for the IRS who is now with a private Washington public policy strategies firm. “It’s no secret some in Congress have been trying to repeal the Affordable Care Act, let alone limit IRS funding for enforcement . . . . [The] IRS has already suffered the past three years with a status quo budget, which basically is a reduction, especially if you look at people who retired and haven’t been able to be replaced. Now, you have sequestration coming up. All of that added together spells trouble for the IRS and tax law enforcement.”
 
Paul Van de Water, a health care policy expert with the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, cautioned that “it’s hard to tell at this point”  what -- if any -- effect the flap over the IRS’s dealing with conservative groups will have on funding for Affordable Care Act enforcement.
 
“It seems to me that Republicans haven’t lacked for reasons not to provide enough funding for the IRS in the past, so it’s not as if they need a new reason to do so, but who knows? When you get into the realm of politics, all sorts of strange things can happen.”
 
Under the legislation, the IRS will provide insurance premium tax credits to help low and moderate income people purchase health coverage. It also will impose penalties on employers that fail to provide insurance and individuals who decline to purchase the coverage made available to them.
 
But even without Obamacare, this week’s scandal does have some legs of its own.
 
The investigative journalism non-profit ProPublica reported Monday that it had received at the end of last year from the IRS Cincinnati office the confidential and pending applications for tax exemption from nine conservative groups.
 
While many organizations bearing the Tea Party name are small players, the applications provided in response to a Freedom of Information Act request included forms submitted by the Karl Rove-linked Crossroads GPS and Americans for Responsible Leadership, an Arizona-based group that supported Republican presidential candidate with more than $5.2 million in expenditures.
 
More from The Fiscal Times:
 
Diamonds: A Better Safe Haven Than Gold?
 
Detroit Needs a Miracle As It Sinks Deeper in Debt
 
Has Obama Taken a Page Out of Nixon’s Playbook?
 
This story was originally published by  The Fiscal Times.


Read more: http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2013/05/14/Why-the-IRS-Scandal-Could-Bring-Down-Obamacare.aspx#page1#ixzz2TGZpthY9

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Re: IRS
« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2013, 08:59:21 AM »
This just in: non-existent IRS Commissioner refuses to step down!

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Re: IRS
« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2013, 10:03:47 AM »
More scandal coming.   Progressive groups were fed confidential docs by IRS in lead up to he election. 


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Re: IRS
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2013, 10:17:20 AM »
Posted on May 14, 2013, 11:40:00 AM EDT by Perdogg

The progressive-leaning investigative journalism group ProPublica says the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) office that targeted and harassed conservative tax-exempt groups during the 2012 election cycle gave the progressive group nine confidential applications of conservative groups whose tax-exempt status was pending.

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Re: IRS
« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2013, 10:35:33 AM »
Time to fire that commissioner huh?

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Re: IRS
« Reply #32 on: May 14, 2013, 10:42:19 AM »
Time to fire that commissioner huh?

It wasn't funny the first time 5 times you said it.

Are you actually going to discuss the topic of the thread or continue on like the creepy douche you are?

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Re: IRS
« Reply #33 on: May 14, 2013, 10:46:55 AM »
Still no word on why there is no Commissioner in that spot?  This must sound crazy to idiots, but if you are worried about how well a particular agency is functioning, it MIGHT be a good idea to allow someone to run it.  Ya think?

Something to think about, yep.  Should make a person look hard at a situation like that.

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Re: IRS
« Reply #34 on: May 14, 2013, 10:48:42 AM »
Who gives a fuck about the commissioner?  Has nothing whatsoever to do with anything. 

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Re: IRS
« Reply #35 on: May 14, 2013, 10:53:56 AM »
Who gives a fuck about the commissioner?  Has nothing whatsoever to do with anything.  

That may be the idea.

Not a big follower of mainstream news anymore, so may be out there on this one, but is there some argument to say that a lack of leadership isn't by convenient design?

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Re: IRS
« Reply #36 on: May 14, 2013, 10:55:28 AM »
That may be the idea.

Not a big follower of mainstream news anymore, so may be out there on this one, but is there some argument to say that a lack of leadership isn't by convenient design?

This was all started as far as we know out of the division for not for profits.  And even worse it looks like it goes way beyond that now into the audit division.

Obama is running a mafia govt like Papa Doc or Mugabe

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Re: IRS
« Reply #37 on: May 14, 2013, 11:00:08 AM »
This was all started as far as we know out of the division for not for profits.  And even worse it looks like it goes way beyond that now into the audit division.

Obama is running a mafia govt like Papa Doc or Mugabe

What of the argument that this was simply a method by which to seek evidence to show the groups weren't what they were representing themselves to be?

Again, haven't been following...just wondering about it.

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Re: IRS
« Reply #38 on: May 14, 2013, 11:02:33 AM »
What of the argument that this was simply a method by which to seek evidence to show the groups weren't what they were representing themselves to be?

Again, haven't been following...just wondering about it.

Because they only did this to tea party people exlusively. 

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Re: IRS
« Reply #39 on: May 14, 2013, 11:04:02 AM »
Because they only did this to tea party people exlusively. 

Is this for certain?

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Re: IRS
« Reply #40 on: May 14, 2013, 11:06:59 AM »
Is this for certain?

Yes - they admitted it

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Re: IRS
« Reply #41 on: May 14, 2013, 11:11:51 AM »
Attorney General Eric Holder Says He Has Ordered A Criminal Investigation Into IRS Scandal
 


Brett LoGiurato|13 minutes ago|347|1
 
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Attorney General Eric Holder said on Tuesday that he recused himself from a case involving a Department of Justice decision to subpoena phone records from Associated Press reporters and editors.
 
Holder also said that the Justice Department has ordered a criminal investigation into the IRS' targeting of different conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status. Holder called it "outrageous and unacceptable."
 
On the AP phone probe, Holder said that the leak being investigated was one of the "top two or three" leaks he has ever seen, claiming it put the American people at risk.
 
"That is not hyperbole. It put the American people at risk," Holder said, emphasizing his earlier comments.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/ap-phone-records-doj-justice-dept-eric-holder-2013-5#ixzz2TI9TmQIS


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Re: IRS
« Reply #42 on: May 14, 2013, 11:28:39 AM »
Attorney General Eric Holder Says He Has Ordered A Criminal Investigation Into IRS Scandal
 


Brett LoGiurato|13 minutes ago|347|1
 
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Attorney General Eric Holder said on Tuesday that he recused himself from a case involving a Department of Justice decision to subpoena phone records from Associated Press reporters and editors.
 
Holder also said that the Justice Department has ordered a criminal investigation into the IRS' targeting of different conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status. Holder called it "outrageous and unacceptable."
 
On the AP phone probe, Holder said that the leak being investigated was one of the "top two or three" leaks he has ever seen, claiming it put the American people at risk.
 
"That is not hyperbole. It put the American people at risk," Holder said, emphasizing his earlier comments.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/ap-phone-records-doj-justice-dept-eric-holder-2013-5#ixzz2TI9TmQIS


Does anyone else laugh whenever they hear that Holder is going to do a criminal investigation into a situation involving the current white house or that may somehow be linked to the current administration?

Lol, I'm sure he's going to take this so seriously and that he's really going to loom for wrongdoing, with absolutley zero chance that he would cover it up or overlook evidence.

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Re: IRS
« Reply #43 on: May 14, 2013, 11:31:31 AM »
Does anyone else laugh whenever they hear that Holder is going to do a criminal investigation into a situation involving the current white house or that may somehow be linked to the current administration?

Lol, I'm sure he's going to take this so seriously and that he's really going to loom for wrongdoing, with absolutley zero chance that he would cover it up or overlook evidence.

I'm still waiting for the results of the fast and furious mess, lol 

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Re: IRS
« Reply #44 on: May 14, 2013, 11:34:10 AM »
It wasn't funny the first time 5 times you said it.

Are you actually going to discuss the topic of the thread or continue on like the creepy douche you are?

If repeating something ad nauseum  was a problem for you, you would be all over your hero's ovaries due to his continuous repetitive drivel in every thread.  Oh wait... you are already all over those ovaries.  

But for different reasons.  Carry on pissant.

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Re: IRS
« Reply #45 on: May 14, 2013, 11:34:54 AM »
Progressive Group: IRS Gave Us Conservative Groups' Confidential Docs
 


by Wynton Hall

14 May 2013, 7:59 AM PDT


 

The progressive-leaning investigative journalism group ProPublica says the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) office that targeted and harassed conservative tax-exempt groups during the 2012 election cycle gave the progressive group nine confidential applications of conservative groups whose tax-exempt status was pending.
 


The commendable admission lends further evidence to the lengths the IRS went during an election cycle to silence tea party and limited government voices.
 


ProPublica says the documents the IRS gave them were “not supposed to be made public”:
 


The same IRS office that deliberately targeted conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status in the run-up to the 2012 election released nine pending confidential applications of conservative groups to ProPublica late last year... In response to a request for the applications for 67 different nonprofits last November, the Cincinnati office of the IRS sent ProPublica applications or documentation for 31 groups. Nine of those applications had not yet been approved—meaning they were not supposed to be made public. (We made six of those public, after redacting their financial information, deeming that they were newsworthy.)
 
The group says that "no unapproved applications from liberal groups were sent to ProPublica.”
 
According to Media Research Center Vice President for Business and Culture Dan Gainor, ProPublica’s financial backers include top progressive donors:
 

ProPublica, which recently won its second Pulitzer Prize, initially was given millions of dollars from the Sandler Foundation to “strengthen the progressive infrastructure”–“progressive” being the code word for very liberal. In 2010, it also received a two-year contribution of $125,000 each year from the Open Society Foundations. In case you wonder where that money comes from, the OSF website is www.soros.org. It is a network of more than 30 international foundations, mostly funded by Soros, who has contributed more than $8 billion to those efforts.
 
On Friday, the House Ways and Means Committee is scheduled to hold a formal hearing on the IRS conservative targeting scandal. IRS Commissioner Steve Miller and Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration J. Russell George are slated to testify.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/05/14/Progressive-Group-Says-IRS-Gave-Them-Confidential-Docs-On-Conservative-Groups





Jesus - corruption at its worst

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Re: IRS
« Reply #46 on: May 14, 2013, 11:35:19 AM »
Who gives a fuck about the commissioner?  Has nothing whatsoever to do with anything. 

Worth repeating for the mentally impaired.

Still no word on why there is no Commissioner in that spot?  This must sound crazy to idiots, but if you are worried about how well a particular agency is functioning, it MIGHT be a good idea to allow someone to run it.  Ya think?

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Re: IRS
« Reply #47 on: May 14, 2013, 11:37:59 AM »
Worth repeating for the mentally impaired.


This started back in 2010 dipshit and the then commissioner knew about it in 2011 and never said anything

Try to keep up. 

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Re: IRS
« Reply #48 on: May 14, 2013, 11:41:57 AM »
Why is it still empty?  What year it happened doesn't matter or have any relative bearing on why the position is empty.

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