Author Topic: The closer Obamacare is coming to reality the more I am starting to hate it  (Read 1422 times)

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At first it sounded good, but now that I either have to have insurance or get fined; isn't that against the constitution?  Are we free anymore??  I hate this now.  Either go with free government health care or leave the system as it is and have more transparency and oversight, not this crap, fining any citizen that refuses to get health insurance, what kinda scam is this, who is sleeping with the health insurers, they sure will get rich off this....

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you idiots now have to deal with what you voted for


you were warned

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who said i voted for him?
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hopefully obamacare includes forced mental health care to handle retards like you people.

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A true single payer system would have been ideal, but then the insurance companies wouldn't get their cut, so that will never happen.

Obamacare isn't about helping people, its about lining certain insurance companies pockets. It's a total farce.

Keri in mind I'm a pretty hardcore libertarian and I would totally support a single payer system.

Obama tricked everyone into thinking he gave a damn about then, reality is he is no different than bush Jr.

Big business wins again.

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A true single payer system would have been ideal, but then the insurance companies wouldn't get their cut, so that will never happen.

Obamacare isn't about helping people, its about lining certain insurance companies pockets. It's a total farce.

Keri in mind I'm a pretty hardcore libertarian and I would totally support a single payer system.

Obama tricked everyone into thinking he gave a damn about then, reality is he is no different than bush Jr.

Big business wins again.
X10000

Also we can add Mitt Romney in there as his RomneyCare was EXACTLY the same on a state level.  Bob Dole Care was the EXACT same as Obamacare.  Republicans have no different stance on the matter when it comes down to it.

Pieces of shit all around.

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What would be your " Solution" ??

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Drug Cost May Vary Greatly By State After Obamacare Implementation


By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR 05/13/13 11:35 AM ET EDT



WASHINGTON — Cancer patients could face high costs for medications under President Barack Obama's health care law, industry analysts and advocates warn.

Where you live could make a huge difference in what you'll pay.

To try to keep premiums low, some states are allowing insurers to charge patients a hefty share of the cost for expensive medications used to treat cancer, multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis and other life-altering chronic diseases.

Such "specialty drugs" can cost thousands of dollars a month, and in California, patients would pay up to 30 percent of the cost. For one widely used cancer drug, Gleevec, the patient could pay more than $2,000 for a month's supply, says the Leukemia & Lymphoma Society.

New York is taking a different approach, setting flat dollar copayments for medications. The highest is $70, and it would apply to specialty drugs as well.

Critics fear most states will follow California's lead, and that could defeat the purpose of Obama's overhaul, because some of the sickest patients may be unable to afford their prescriptions.

"It's important that the benefit design not discriminate against people with chronic illness, and high copays do that," said Dan Mendelson, president of Avalere Health, a data analysis firm catering to the health care industry and government.

Avalere's research shows that 1 in 4 cancer patients walks away from the pharmacy counter empty-handed when facing a copay of $500 or more for a newly prescribed drug.

"You have to worry about a world where if you happen to contract cancer or multiple sclerosis, you are stuck with a really big bill," Mendelson said. "It's going to be very important for states to take a long, hard look at their benefit design."




Although the money for covering uninsured Americans is coming from Washington, the heath care law gives states broad leeway to tailor benefits, and the local approach can also allow disparities to emerge.

A spokesman for Covered California said state officials are trying to balance between two conflicting priorities: comprehensive coverage and affordable premiums.

"We are trying to keep the insurance affordable across the board," said Dana Howard, the group's spokesman. "This is just part of trying to manage the overall risk of the pool." Covered California is one of the new state marketplaces where people who don't get coverage on the job will be able to shop for private insurance starting this fall. Coverage takes effect Jan. 1.

Insurers are forecasting double-digit premium increases for individual policies, as people with health problems flock to buy coverage previously denied them. The Obama administration says the industry warnings are overblown, and that for many consumers, premium increases will be offset by tax credits to help buy insurance. And officials say it's important to realize that the law sets overall limits on patients' liability, even if those seem high to some people. Still, a full picture of costs and benefits isn't likely to come into focus until the fall.

Howard said California officials are aware of the concerns about drug costs and are trying to make medications more affordable.

Meanwhile, he said consumers will be protected because the law limits total out-of-pocket costs – the deductibles and copayments that policy holders are responsible for, apart from monthly premiums. In California, the annual out-of-pocket limit for an individual is $6,400, although it can be as low as $2,250 for low-income people. Once that limit is reached, insurance pays 100 percent.

That's still a lot of money, and such reassurances haven't dispelled the concerns.

"The intent of the Affordable Care Act is to make sure that all Americans have access to quality, affordable health care," said Brian Rosen, a senior vice president of the Leukemia & Lymphoma Society. He adds that there is a danger that the insurance marketplaces "will discriminate against the patients with the highest medical need. That would completely undermine the spirit of the ACA."

The group has been joined by Rep. Doris Matsui, D-Calif., in urging state officials to reconsider the policy. The high copays "could prevent many patients from receiving the lifesaving treatments they need because of prohibitively high cost," Matsui wrote to the state.

The problem with costly drugs is similar to another money issue with the health care law – a provision that could price millions of smokers out of coverage. Insurers are allowed to charge tobacco users buying an individual policy up to 50 percent higher premiums. For a 55-year-old smoker, the penalty could reach nearly $4,250 a year, on top of the standard premium. California is trying to override that problem by passing its own law. There's also pending state legislation to address some issues with prescription costs, but its prospects are unclear.

Meanwhile, leukemia patient Lisa Lusk worries about what will happen to her. A nursing assistant who lives near Fresno, Lusk is hoping to return to work in the next few months. When that happens, she expects to lose emergency coverage she's now getting through the state. And the medication Lusk takes to manage her chronic form of the disease costs more than $5,000 a month.

"I'm scared that when I get a job my copay may be more than $1,500 a month," said Lusk. "I'll just be working to pay for my medications."

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What would be your " Solution" ??
Single Payer, as noted.

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Single Payer, as noted.

Sorry - I dont trust the same cabal of thugs who foisted obamacare on us to do the right thing under the premise

"Sorry we fucked up so bad we gave you obamaCare - but trust us to implement single payer" 

They squandered any bit of trust they had once they rammed through this disastrous bill

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i think it's fucking hilarious, personally. the people that voted for it are the ones now suffering from it.

companies are now cutting everyone's work hours so they don't have to pay for their insurance. and if they pass another law to try and stop that, they'll find a different way to circumvent it. basically a giant FUCK YOU to obama and everyone else who thinks a single payer system has any place outside of a history textbook.

gotta love when the "invisible hand" bitch slaps all the idiots back to reality.

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i think it's fucking hilarious, personally. the people that voted for it are the ones now suffering from it.

companies are now cutting everyone's work hours so they don't have to pay for their insurance. and if they pass another law to try and stop that, they'll find a different way to circumvent it. basically a giant FUCK YOU to obama and everyone else who thinks a single payer system has any place outside of a history textbook.

gotta love when the "invisible hand" bitch slaps all the idiots back to reality.
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Obamacare isn`t single payer moron.

Obama originally campaigned on a Public Option and said if it were up to him, Single Payer would be the way to go.  However, Conservative Democrats (Max Bacchus) and moron Republicans-behind closed doors-pushed for RomneyCare on a federal level and that is precisely what we got.

Here is Obama before becoming President.

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How do we ensure all Americans have health insurance?  Force people to buy it!  It's so screwed up it's unbelievable.  Hey, I have a solution for poverty too, force the poor to make more money or face a fine from the IRS.  Problem solved. 

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Obamacare isn`t single payer moron.

Obama originally campaigned on a Public Option and said if it were up to him, Single Payer would be the way to go.  However, Conservative Democrats (Max Bacchus) and moron Republicans-behind closed doors-pushed for RomneyCare on a federal level and that is precisely what we got.

Here is Obama before becoming President.


i never actually said obamacare WAS, reading comprehension much? besides you just showed that he is for it, so what i said was 100% factually correct? and those kinds of mixed systems always end in massive overspending, shitty service, and inflated costs for private alternatives. one look at our school, infrastructure or mail system proves that. britain is already dismantling the NHS as more and more citizens go private, same will happen here eventually. you can easily see it on a micro level too, state-funded hospitals in my experience have terrible service.

i don't really give two shits about what obama said a few years ago. he also said he'd close guantanamo and end the war in the middle east, how's that going again?

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Why are you guys falling into reppingfor20's bullshit thread? He's full of shit. There are probably thousands of posts to where he sides with muslim extremists to backing everything Obama is attempting to do and his administration, and all of the sudden he posts bullshit like this?

Don't be so gullible, this kids a human piece of trash.

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At first it sounded good, but now that I either have to have insurance or get fined; isn't that against the constitution?  Are we free anymore??  I hate this now.  Either go with free government health care or leave the system as it is and have more transparency and oversight, not this crap, fining any citizen that refuses to get health insurance, what kinda scam is this, who is sleeping with the health insurers, they sure will get rich off this....


You still don't get it. The government can't offer you "free" anything because there is no such thing as free. The government doesn't earn a single penny of what it spends.

The only good thing about this plan screwing so many people, is that it also screws those who were dumb enough to ever think that relying on the government to provide them healthcare was a good idea. And, don't blame the President; he didn't "trick anyone." Intelligent people KNEW it was a bad move from day one. Unfortunately, many people who spoke out against this plan were dismissed as racists. I guess we're going to see a lot more racist people now as more and more stupid people realize the facts.


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obamacare = health stamp.
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