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Pentagon Papers Lawyer: "Obama is worse than Nixon....."
« on: May 15, 2013, 06:25:31 AM »
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On Tuesday, White House spokesman Jay Carney batted away the notion that the Obama administration is behaving like Richard Nixon's.

"People who make those kinds of comparisons need to check their history," Carney said.

Try as he might, though, Carney has not been able to tamp down the idea that there is something "Nixonian" about the Justice Department's secret probe of the Associated Press.

Brian Williams, for example led off Tuesday's "NBC Nightly News" this way:

"As a lot of American adults not so fondly remember, the last time the government was found looking into the phone calls of reporters and using the IRS for political purposes, it was the Nixon era, and while times have changed and circumstances are different that subject came up at the Obama White House today as the administration now scrambles on several fronts."

Tuesday also saw james Goodale, who was the lawyer for the New York Times in the Pentagon Papers case, flatly say that Obama was worse than Nixon in his dealings with the press.

"Obama has all these things that he's done to the press on national security matters that Nixon never did," Goodale told the New York Observer.

Goodale also wrote a piece for the Daily Beast in which he drove the point home. He cited, among other things, Obama's unprecedented use of the Espionage Act to prosecute whistleblowers.




Obama, he said, "is fast becoming the worst national security press president ever, and it may not get any better."

The New York Times editorial board also weighed in on Tuesday night, harshly criticizing Obama:

The Obama administration, which has a chilling zeal for investigating leaks and prosecuting leakers, has failed to offer a credible justification for secretly combing through the phone records of reporters and editors at The Associated Press in what looks like a fishing expedition for sources and an effort to frighten off whistle-blowers.

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Re: Pentagon Papers Lawyer: "Obama is worse than Nixon....."
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2013, 06:37:09 AM »
ANY BETS TILL OBAMA RESIGNS IN DISGRACE? 

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Re: Pentagon Papers Lawyer: "Obama is worse than Nixon....."
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2013, 07:25:22 AM »

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The Associated Press is outraged that the Justice Department has been secretly rummaging through its telephone records, and who can blame it? But what really matters is what it means for all the rest of us. And if we don't watch out, it will mean that the government keeps more secrets from us than ever before.

From what we've been told so far, the Department sometime last year subpoenaed two months' worth of records covering incoming and outgoing calls on dozens of telephones at Associated Press offices, as well as on private telephones of AP employees. The telephones included some main, switchboard numbers, so the calls may have involved hundreds of reporters. The AP had no idea what was going on until well after it was over because the subpoena went to the telephone company -- not the AP.

The speculation is that the Justice Department wanted all those phone records for an investigation into who leaked information to the AP over a year ago about U.S. government efforts to foil a terrorist plot in Yemen. But we don't really know for sure.

This isn't the media whining. It doesn't take much imagination to see that people won't be keen on talking with reporters if they think that the government may be indiscriminately monitoring thousands of phone calls by hundreds of reporters. And if the reporters can't talk with sources that want to remain anonymous, then the rest of us won't ever know the secrets that they would have told. At the heart of the First Amendment lies this basic paradox: In order to have all the information we need for our democracy to work, people have to be able to keep some secrets.

Of course, the government needs some secrecy as well. It had wanted to keep what happened in Yemen secret just as badly as the AP wanted to keep secret how it had found out. But there's a big difference: The government has the power to issue subpoenas to news organizations and their telephone companies; the press can't subpoena the government for its stories.

Since the time of Watergate, there's been an uneasy truce between the government and the press over how to resolve this tussle over one another's secrets. The Justice Department has a policy saying it will seize news organizations' records only after it has pursued all other avenues first and then only when absolutely necessary. Most important, its own regulations require it to work things out with the news organization in advance whenever possible.

But it looks like the government broke the truce here. The secret that was leaked about Yemen apparently came from within the government itself, so it had its own phone records and other means of determining what its employees had done. The Justice Department says that it interviewed over 500 people and reviewed thousands of pages of documents before subpoenaing the AP phone records. All that hard work doesn't seem to have narrowed the inquiry one iota. If that's not a "fishing expedition," I don't know what is.

Most important, the Department made no effort to talk things over with the AP before it subpoenaed the phone records. The AP never even had the chance to ask what alternatives the department had exhausted or whether there were narrower alternatives (much less to raise these questions with a court) because it never knew its records were being subpoenaed.

All of this would be bad enough if it didn't fall against the backdrop of the remarkably aggressive approach that the Justice Department has taken to prosecuting government leakers for criminal violations. Thus far, the Department has initiated five criminal prosecutions for leaking (in addition to one pursued by the U.S. Army through military channels) compared with a total of three such prosecutions under all prior administrations combined. The pattern we've seen in leak prosecutions and now secret subpoenas of journalists' telephone records has moved the line between government secrecy and the public's right to know to favor the government more than we've ever seen before.

But what does all this mean for the rest of us? This is not really about the press. It's about the people and what secrets they will learn about their government. Every government must hold some things close to the vest if it is to govern effectively. There will always be a back and forth about how much should be known and how much should be kept secret. But make no mistake that, if we as a country decide that the government's secrets are more valuable than those kept by the press, we will pay the price in not learning about secret wrongdoing until it is too late to do anything about it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-westin/whos-got-a-secret_b_3276449.html

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Re: Pentagon Papers Lawyer: "Obama is worse than Nixon....."
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2013, 09:38:43 AM »
The new Obama narrative (Nixon 2.0)
 The Politico ^ | May 13, 2013 | Dylan Byers

Posted on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:22:43 PM by 2ndDivisionVet

A Democratic strategist emails:

"The AP phone records thing just sealed the deal for what the newest narrative around the Obama administration is going to be. They are the new Nixon admin when it comes to bullying, withholding info and targeting enemies. The right won't probably call him directly Nixon because you know, Nixon was a Republican, but it will be the basic idea. You will hear claims that there has never been an administration who reached so far to suppress information and dissent."

"While I don't think this is actually the full truth, it is hard to not realize this is fully the fault of the administration that perception has gotten to this point. They have a small window- I'd say 2-5 days- to try and turn this around and hold on to a plausible veneer of not being a group of shadowy thugs. But given how tone def they've been in the past, my money is on this being the lens through which their next 3.5 years are viewed."

BuzzFeed's Ben Smith writes:

"President Obama, elected with the new technology of microtargeting, is now in danger of a new perception: That he’s the president of microtargeted drone warfare and government surveillance. This is a different critique from the loud and ultimately unpersuasive one Republicans have long made, that initiatives like a health care overhaul, tax increases, and background checks for gun buyers represent a broad, unprecedented, and out-of-control new assertion of power by the American government....


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Re: Pentagon Papers Lawyer: "Obama is worse than Nixon....."
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2013, 09:42:12 AM »
1) way worse, agreed.

2) I cannot understand why - given the stack of items - nobody is talking impeachment.  Wimps.

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Re: Pentagon Papers Lawyer: "Obama is worse than Nixon....."
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2013, 09:47:28 AM »
1) way worse, agreed.

2) I cannot understand why - given the stack of items - nobody is talking impeachment.  Wimps.


We are what one week into this?  Wait till evidence keeps mounting that this goes to Holder, Lew, Jarrett, Ploufe, Axelrod, and the entire gang of chicago thugs surrounding obama. 


I am so loving this BTW

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Re: Pentagon Papers Lawyer: "Obama is worse than Nixon....."
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2013, 10:21:20 AM »
We are what one week into this?  Wait till evidence keeps mounting that this goes to Holder, Lew, Jarrett, Ploufe, Axelrod, and the entire gang of chicago thugs surrounding obama. 

I am so loving this BTW

His term only has 3+ years left.  If what we've seen isn't enough for you, maybe we should wait another 2 years to impeach?

issa waited years on F&F and it fizzled.  Ken starr went from accusation to impeachment on monicagate in 11 months.

Sorry, but I don't buy into the "let's just spend a year bitching before anyone start impeachment".   

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Re: Pentagon Papers Lawyer: "Obama is worse than Nixon....."
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2013, 10:22:32 AM »
His term only has 3+ years left.  If what we've seen isn't enough for you, maybe we should wait another 2 years to impeach?

issa waited years on F&F and it fizzled.  Ken starr went from accusation to impeachment on monicagate in 11 months.

Sorry, but I don't buy into the "let's just spend a year bitching before anyone start impeachment".   

I wanted to impeach him the day he took office remember?   ;D

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Re: Pentagon Papers Lawyer: "Obama is worse than Nixon....."
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2013, 10:23:52 AM »
ANY BETS TILL OBAMA RESIGNS IN DISGRACE? 

He's never even going to make out of the convention

The Dems are going to kick him off the ticket and replace him with Hilary

Either that or he is either going to resign before the election due to  - Solyndra, Fast and Furious, the White House Christmas Tree, etc...

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Re: Pentagon Papers Lawyer: "Obama is worse than Nixon....."
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2013, 10:25:23 AM »
He's never even going to make out of the convention

The Dems are going to kick him off the ticket and replace him with Hilary

Either that or he is either going to resign before the election due to  - Solyndra, Fast and Furious, the White House Christmas Tree, etc...

You should have bounced him off the ticket - he is a complete trainwreck and the rest of his term is effectively over unless he resigns now to Kenya

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Re: Pentagon Papers Lawyer: "Obama is worse than Nixon....."
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2013, 10:28:02 AM »
You should have bounced him off the ticket - he is a complete trainwreck and the rest of his term is effectively over unless he resigns now to Kenya

How exactly would I have bounced him ?

Try to keep in mind that he kicked Romney's ass

Try also to keep in mind your multiple prior predictions of his resignation, impeachment, etc..

You'd think from that prior humiliation you would have learned your lesson

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Re: Pentagon Papers Lawyer: "Obama is worse than Nixon....."
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2013, 10:30:15 AM »
How exactly would I have bounced him ?

Try to keep in mind that he kicked Romney's ass

Try also to keep in mind your multiple prior predictions of his resignation, impeachment, etc..

You'd think from that prior humiliation you would have learned your lesson


Ha ha ha ha - keep your head in the sand, obama is a lame duck already and done. 

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Re: Pentagon Papers Lawyer: "Obama is worse than Nixon....."
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2013, 10:31:33 AM »

Ha ha ha ha - keep your head in the sand, obama is a lame duck already and done. 

given your track record of being wrong 100% of the time (along with being insane 100% of the time) perhaps the small part of your brain that is not diseased can understand why I laugh at anything you say

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Re: Pentagon Papers Lawyer: "Obama is worse than Nixon....."
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2013, 10:33:36 AM »
given your track record of being wrong 100% of the time (along with being insane 100% of the time) perhaps the small part of your brain that is not diseased can understand why I laugh at anything you say


LOL - you really think all these scandals is nothing? 

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Re: Pentagon Papers Lawyer: "Obama is worse than Nixon....."
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2013, 10:35:21 AM »

LOL - you really think all these scandals is nothing? 

As much NOTHING as Solyndra ,Fast and Furious, etc..

still though, your side needs something to get excited about and since they have no interest in actually doing anything to help the country they have lots of free time on their hands for this nonsense

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Re: Pentagon Papers Lawyer: "Obama is worse than Nixon....."
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2013, 10:36:07 AM »
As much NOTHING as Solyndra ,Fast and Furious, etc..

still though, your side needs something to get excited about and since they have no interest in actually doing anything to help the country they have lots of free time on their hands for this nonsense

LOL - AP is on "my side"? 

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Re: Pentagon Papers Lawyer: "Obama is worse than Nixon....."
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2013, 10:38:50 AM »
LOL - AP is on "my side"? 

no idea what that even means


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Re: Pentagon Papers Lawyer: "Obama is worse than Nixon....."
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2013, 10:43:45 AM »
no idea what that even means



Must really suck to be an obamanite rihght now

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Re: Pentagon Papers Lawyer: "Obama is worse than Nixon....."
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2013, 10:47:22 AM »
Obama escaping in the white bronco from scandalpalooza

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Re: Pentagon Papers Lawyer: "Obama is worse than Nixon....."
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2013, 10:49:23 AM »
I wanted to impeach him the day he took office remember?   ;D

it seems many "repubs" are cool with obama's chooming and coke snorting and orgies and battering of baby seals.

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Re: Pentagon Papers Lawyer: "Obama is worse than Nixon....."
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2013, 10:51:10 AM »
Must really suck to be an obamanite rihght now

what is an obamanite?

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Re: Pentagon Papers Lawyer: "Obama is worse than Nixon....."
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2013, 10:52:05 AM »
it seems many "repubs" are cool with obama's chooming and coke snorting and orgies and battering of baby seals.

Not me - i wanted him impeached and deported where be belongs from the 1st day in office remember? 

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Re: Pentagon Papers Lawyer: "Obama is worse than Nixon....."
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2013, 10:55:18 AM »
I wanted to impeach him the day he took office remember?   ;D

You and all the Repubs

you morons were dying to impeach him based on nothing other than the fact that you didn't like him

New Flash - all these so called scandals are just going to end in more frustration and tears for you but it's fun to what you and the Repubs chase their tails for awhile


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Re: Pentagon Papers Lawyer: "Obama is worse than Nixon....."
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2013, 10:56:56 AM »
You and all the Repubs

you morons were dying to impeach him based on nothing other than the fact that you didn't like him

New Flash - all these so called scandals are just going to end in more frustration and tears for you but it's fun to what you and the Repubs chase their tails for awhile



The band on the titanic felt the same way. 


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Re: Pentagon Papers Lawyer: "Obama is worse than Nixon....."
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2013, 10:57:23 AM »
Not me - i wanted him impeached and deported where be belongs from the 1st day in office remember?  

and you were one of the first birthers.

What do you think of republicans who refuse to question his birth certificate or call for his impeachment?

I think if they'd unite, they could defeat obama and his cocaine-fueled frenzy.  WHy won't they?