Generation worse than nothingness

[anabolichalo]

my parents fucked up

i became a loser


i think it's related


 


people call it self pity


sure it is

but as a teenager you do not have the maturity to understand life etc and you need strong guidance from 12 years old to 18 or you're fucked for life

[galain]

Again - I have no idea what your teachers are like in the US or what objectives the education system is set up to address.

As someone who spent a decade of clinical practice working with ADD families and lecturing about them, I know it's not "just" a parenting issue. There are major biochemical factors at play in the form of chemical exposure, and food (you have any idea how many parents in Australia think Coke is an important food group?).

There are also psychological factors at play and for this I point a big finger at modern technology. Kids are connected everywhere all the time these days. There is very little concept of "wait" and of developing patience. I think parents can do a lot to teach their kids this, but a lot of busy people turn to the computer (or tablet or smartphone or whatever) to occupy the child's time while they do their thing. If you get a chance to read Doig's book The Brain the Changes Itself, you'll see a lot of the neuroplasticity research is categorically showing that the online environment is shortening attention spans and changing the way in which we think. Good or bad - it is what it is - we just need to be aware of what all this stuff is capable of doing.

There are social factors at play with ADD. Kids want boundaries. They want to know what they can and can't do. That's why they push - to see how far they can go. It's an important developmental step for a child to realise that this is acceptable and that is not and that behaviour in the non acceptable area will carry consequences. When parents just let their children do their own thing, there is no reaching this developmental stage - ergo - there is no learning and no progression of behaviour.

I didn't intend to make light of this by posting the picture I did. I'm very aware of this because it has been my daily working life for a long time.

apologies for the FRAT....

[galain]

last post not directed at anabolichalo...

[deadpan]

Mr Magoo & Deadpan

I'm a high school teacher. Granted, I'm only 5 years in. Before that, I was a psychologist and naturopath whose speciality was learning and behavioural disorders in children.

I have never taught in the US so I have no idea. I have taught in Oz and in Germany where I now live. This picture is representative of both places. Many (not all) parents feel less accountable for their children now than I remember my parents being, or the parents of my friends were. A colleague of mine - PE teacher - had a parent demand an apology, because their fat overfed overindulged no boundaries having child failed the athletics component of his course.

He couldn't run.

This isn't an isolated example. There are many many parents out there who believe teachers are responsible for the things that should ideally be taught and learnt in the family home.

One thing I can almost guarantee you will hear from pretty much any teacher is this. If you look at the way a parent interacts with their child in kindergarten, you'll be able to tell the kids who will graduate high school with good grades and social development.

oh there's plenty of horrible parents too, i agree with out, but there were plenty of horrible parents in every generation. and there's a TON more horrible teachers that actually enjoy brainwashing kids into whatever twisted idiotic ideology they subscribe to. these people deserve to be yelled at, and worse.

idk how it is your countries but here in the US teachers are pretty much universally shit, especially in public education. at all levels, not just the kids. i actually had to call out a professor a couple years ago when he gave me an entire letter grade lower than the grade i actually earned, he turned red and stammered some bluff about his spreadsheets got mixed up. but the kids don't have this luxury because their idiot parents assume mrs. shitbrainstein is the walking embodiment of academia.

i understand stuff like what you say happens, and you gotta parent your kids properly, but always blaming them and not considering that the teacher might *actually* be a low-wage retard is a good way to get yourself landed in a smelly retirement home years down the line.

[Psychopath]

Just give it 20yrs or so and observe the results.

Humans have the ability to learn and adapt very quickly at any time in their lives.

If technology is hampering behavioural maturity, then the kids will have to pick up those skills later on in life when they are forced to enter the "real word".

The problem is, the internet is exposing young people to hardcore pornography and graphic gore videos and pics at a very young age. That can have a much more detrimental and permanent psychological damage/alteration, than not developing social skills fast enough.


Kids aside, i benefited from the internet, and i still continue to benefit to this day more than i ever have from public education or university.

I've taught myself many transferable skills all though written instructionals and videos off the internet.

It's a double edged sword i guess, but i think the primary concern is gore and pornography .

[Ronnie Rep]

There are are bad parents bad teachers and budgets being cut for education! Focus put on testing instead of teaching!

[Griffith]

I was at a nice restaurant having dinner last night and I see this family come in.  Typical white family, with a boy and a girl both probably 8-10 years old.  Each kid is slowing walking behind their parents with their IPads held up about 6 inches in front of their faces never looking up or around as they walked to the table.  The entire dinner the kids just ate and played on their IPads with the parents not giving them 1 second of attention.  This just made me sad for these kids.  They are already on the path to nothingness.  They will be empty shits that get their life knowledge surfing facebook wondering why their parents never loved them.

What ever happened to family values?  Talking to each other at dinner?   The future seems bleak.  There is a shift happening where these well to do white kids spend 99% of their time surfing the web on their ipads while the poor ethnic kids are working their asses off trying to do something with their lives.  In about 20 more years the white people flipping burgers reporting to Juan Martinez will wonder what the fuck happened.

If I ever have kids, ipads and iphones and any shit like that will be forbidden.

Same with facebook and other social media and they will have limited internet use.

I'm lucky to have grown up in a world which had two television channels, no cell-phones, no internet and no satellite TV.

Yes, I'm on here now, but if I didn't HAVE to have internet for my studies, I wouldn't even bother.

When I go travelling, its such an awesome feeling to be totally disconnected from all this shit.

If I ruled a country it would be worse than North Korea in terms of technology, as I would ban cell phones too.

[deadpan]

If I ever have kids, ipads and iphones and any shit like that will be forbidden.

Same with facebook and other social media and they will have limited internet use.

I'm lucky to have grown up in a world which had two television channels, no cell-phones, no internet and no satellite TV.

Yes, I'm on here now, but if I didn't HAVE to have internet for my studies, I wouldn't even bother.

When I go travelling, its such an awesome feeling to be totally disconnected from all this shit.

If I ruled a country it would be worse than North Korea in terms of technology, as I would ban cell phones too.

yeah man who needs all that shit! just ruining every generation every. fuck productivity and progress! back in my day we chased water buffalo with rocks and spears and no one had any depression or ADD or anything like that! those were the days.

[Griffith]

yeah man who needs all that shit! just ruining every generation every. fuck productivity and progress! back in my day we chased water buffalo with rocks and spears and no one had any depression or ADD or anything like that! those were the days.

Progress?

AHAHAHAHA

Social media and all this bullshit is not progress

[_bruce_]

Progress?

AHAHAHAHA

Social media and all this bullshit is not progress

Agree. It seems to breed optimum idiocy in many cases.
Or does it just expose the ample one already available...

[deadpan]

Progress?

AHAHAHAHA

Social media and all this bullshit is not progress

oh yeah, what are you typing on right now? an abacus?

[Griffith]

oh yeah, what are you typing on right now? an abacus?

I'm wasting my time on here, just like everyone else on here.

If not for this, we wouldn't be typing bullshit now and would probably be reading a book or something productive.

And like I said, it's not 'progress', things like facebook just fuck up society even worse.

I'm not even going to bother arguing on this subject.

[El Diablo Blanco]

Progress?

AHAHAHAHA

Social media and all this bullshit is not progress

Agreed. Social media is more regressive to society.  The gays will argue though.

[deadpan]

I'm wasting my time on here, just like everyone else on here.

If not for this, we wouldn't be typing bullshit now and would probably be reading a book or something productive.

And like I said, it's not 'progress', things like facebook just fuck up society even worse.

I'm not even going to bother arguing on this subject.

you're the one that's choosing to waste your time here. you're the one that chooses to be on facebook. no one is forcing you.

if you can't see how having more information at your fingertips than all of the libraries in the world, all accessible in seconds, digital currency transactions, instantaneous communication between people 1000's of miles apart, etc is progress, well...i don't know what else to tell you

[El Diablo Blanco]

I don't see how society will ever benefit with everyone sitting indoors at their computers posting photos of themselves looking for feedback.
The world outside will crumble and people will post hastily about it online.  So lame

[Griffith]

you're the one that's choosing to waste your time here. you're the one that chooses to be on facebook. no one is forcing you.

if you can't see how having more information at your fingertips than all of the libraries in the world, all accessible in seconds, digital currency transactions, instantaneous communication between people 1000's of miles apart, etc is progress, well...i don't know what else to tell you

Like I said I'm not going to bother arguing this, I believe what I believe and you believe what you believe.

Discussion over.

Next.

[El Diablo Blanco]

you're the one that's choosing to waste your time here. you're the one that chooses to be on facebook. no one is forcing you.

if you can't see how having more information at your fingertips than all of the libraries in the world, all accessible in seconds, digital currency transactions, instantaneous communication between people 1000's of miles apart, etc is progress, well...i don't know what else to tell you

What's the point of all this when you have it all and never leave the house?  It's not a shot against you, but in general with the type of society we are building with everyone living in a fantasy virtual world online?

It's amazing that banks now almost deal with virtual currency.  Your money is transferred here to there, bills paid online, things bought online.  You never have to see a single physical dollar.  What a way to control people isn't it?

[deadpan]

What's the point of all this when you have it all and never leave the house?  It's not a shot against you, but in general with the type of society we are building with everyone living in a fantasy virtual world online?

It's amazing that banks now almost deal with virtual currency.  Your money is transferred here to there, bills paid online, things bought online.  You never have to see a single physical dollar.  What a way to control people isn't it?

there's growing pains associated, but we're looking at the emergence of new anonymous e-currency, so who knows what the future holds in that regard? it's definitely more convenient than carrying around a purse of gold or silver coins everywhere. our currency isn't backed by anything in particular anyways other than people's faith in the US economy, so the virtual transactions are just a natural evolution of that.

to address your second point, it's up to you what you do with the technology, we might just be wasting time shooting the shit on getbig but there's people right now doing life-changing research in some university somewhere, exchanging their research with each other using the internet.

idunno about you guys, but i'll take whatever the future brings, good and bad, rather than regressing back in time, any day of the week. as seven says, "you will adapt". 

[El Diablo Blanco]

Remember, the greatest ones never adapt.  They create the next thing everyone else adapts to.

there's growing pains associated, but we're looking at the emergence of new anonymous e-currency, so who knows what the future holds in that regard? it's definitely more convenient than carrying around a purse of gold or silver coins everywhere. our currency isn't backed by anything in particular anyways other than people's faith in the US economy, so the virtual transactions are just a natural evolution of that.

to address your second point, it's up to you what you do with the technology, we might just be wasting time shooting the shit on getbig but there's people right now doing life-changing research in some university somewhere, exchanging their research with each other using the internet.

idunno about you guys, but i'll take whatever the future brings, good and bad, rather than regressing back in time, any day of the week. as seven says, "you will adapt". 

[DroppingPlates]

If I ever have kids, ipads and iphones and any shit like that will be forbidden.

Same with facebook and other social media and they will have limited internet use.

I'm lucky to have grown up in a world which had two television channels, no cell-phones, no internet and no satellite TV.

Yes, I'm on here now, but if I didn't HAVE to have internet for my studies, I wouldn't even bother.

When I go travelling, its such an awesome feeling to be totally disconnected from all this shit.

If I ruled a country it would be worse than North Korea in terms of technology, as I would ban cell phones too.

You're a man with values, I like that, but on the long run, forbidding/restricting certain things will work against you. I believe the best thing you can do is to make them aware of their choices.

[anabolichalo]

You're a man with values, I like that, but on the long run, forbidding/restricting certain things will work against you. I believe the best thing you can do is to make them aware of their choices.

most youths lack maturity and foresight to make important decisions

[deadpan]

Remember, the greatest ones never adapt.  They create the next thing everyone else adapts to.

that's all well and good but unless you intend on becoming the next bill gates, everyone has to adapt to some degree

[jr]

I blame generation GH15 for raising generation nothingness.

[DroppingPlates]

most youths lack maturity and foresight to make important decisions

Forbidding/restricting things won't improve that. A good conversation/discussion is a different thing, since awareness is the key to wisdom.

[anabolichalo]

Forbidding/restricting things won't improve that. A good conversation/discussion is a different thing, since awareness is the key to wisdom.

not sure on this

being forced to do what is best for you

will lead to better results

than being told what is best for you


for most kids