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Re: Leaked Emails Were EDITED To Make Obama LOOK BAD
« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2013, 06:45:13 AM »
White House’s Benghazi email dump shows critical two-day gap, CIA objection
 
1:18 AM 05/16/2013

 



The Benghazi-related emails released by the White House late May 15 exclude the critical emails between administration officials that were sent during the crucial first two days after the deadly jihadi attack that killed four Americans last September.
 
The 100 pages of partially redacted emails also conclude with a dismissive message from CIA chief David Petraeus.
 
“Frankly, I’d just as soon not use this,” Petraeus said about the heavily edited, four-sentence “talking points” that the White House used to downplay Al Qaeda’s role in the Sep. 11 attack on the poorly protected diplomatic compound.
 


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“This release is long overdue [but] there are relevant documents the Administration has still refused to produce,” said a May 15 statement from Brendan Buck, press secretary to House Majority Leader John Boehner.
 
“We hope, however, that this limited release of documents is a sign of more cooperation to come,” he added.
 
The two-day gap — the first released email was sent 67 hours after the attack began — plus the Petraeus comment, undermines the White House’s explanation for the rewrite.
 
Officials, including spokesman Jay Carney, say CIA officials — not White House and State Department officials — rewrote a quick-reaction CIA report that had attributed the attack to an al-Qaeda affiliate.
 
“Even the smallest amount of scrutiny [shows the emails don’t] support their explanation,” said a May 15 tweet from Buck.
 


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“The White House’s explanation appears NOWHERE in the actual [email] documents. Nowhere. Not even a hint of it,” Buck added.
 
After the attack, White House officials used the edited talking points to bolster repeated claims that the organized attack was an unpredictable, spontaneous violent riot by Libyans who were angry about a California-made YouTube video.
 
The little-known video was sharply critical of Mohammad, the central prophet in Islam.
 
The video was repeatedly cited by President Barack Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton during the crisis, which began only eight weeks before the 2012 election.
 
GOP legislators plan to continue investigating the September cover-up of al-Qaeda’s role, and the current cover-up over the White House’s role in rewriting the CIA report.
 
GOP officials also say more whistleblowers will testify in Congress about the attackers and the White House’s failure to send reinforcements to the beleaguered U.S. diplomats and soldiers.
 
An interim House report into the cover-up “found that ‘senior State Department officials requested the talking points be changed to avoid criticism for ignoring the threat environment in Benghazi and that those changes were ultimately made,” said the Buck statement.
 
“Those findings are confirmed by the emails released today … [and] the seemingly political nature of the State Department’s concerns raises questions about the motivations behind these changes and who at the State Department was seeking them,” he concluded.
 
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Re: Leaked Emails Were EDITED To Make Obama LOOK BAD
« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2013, 07:56:47 AM »
just quit 33, your OCD is out of control. You need to calmer.

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Re: Leaked Emails Were EDITED To Make Obama LOOK BAD
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2013, 07:58:00 AM »
just quit 33, your OCD is out of control. You need to calmer.

Are you kidding?

I'm so loving this Scandalfest.   Been laughing and smiling for days over this.  It took 4 years too long, but the meltdown of O-TWINK is here. 

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Re: Leaked Emails Were EDITED To Make Obama LOOK BAD
« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2013, 08:53:37 AM »
Epic thread backfire.

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Re: Leaked Emails Were EDITED To Make Obama LOOK BAD
« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2013, 09:00:52 AM »
Scandal Mania.

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Re: Leaked Emails Were EDITED To Make Obama LOOK BAD
« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2013, 09:55:56 AM »
The amazing, shrinking Benghazi talking points
 Hot Air ^ | 8:41 am on May 16, 2013 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2013 12:19:30 PM by Ernest_at_the_Beach

The White House finally released the e-mail string that led to the creation of the talking points for the Benghazi terrorist attack that somehow completely missed the fact that it was a terrorist attack.  Did that succeed in having the Obama administration’s argument that it reflected the best intelligence at the time?  Not if you read page 57, in which everyone on the e-mail circuit was informed of this:



 

On Friday evening at 9:43 pm, the CIA acknowledged that ”FBI says AQ (not AQIM) was involved and they are pursuing that theory.  So we are not ahead of law enforcement now[,]” referring to an earlier concern that identifying this as a terrorist attack would interfere with the FBI’s investigation of the attack. However, almost immediately thereafter, even the more generic mentions of purposeful attacks involving Islamic extremists disappear from the talking points, which left Susan Rice with little more to offer than a demonstration involving a YouTube video — a video which, it should be pointed out, never gets mentioned in the e-mail string.

Who made that decision?  It’s difficult to say.  The CIA did a lot of the editing on the talking points, but as Politico notes, much of that was driven by State Department concerns about how the information would reflect on them:


As the number of people handling the Benghazi talking points grew, the amount of information the document offered shrank.

Emails and documents released by the White House Wednesday reveal an editing process that valued caution over comprehensiveness as officials worked to remove language that would have assigned blame for the attack or suggested ways the incident could have been prevented. The release also showed that the CIA, and not the State Department, made the decision to scrub references to al Qaeda, al Qaeda linked groups, and prior terrorist attacks in the region.

But the newly public email chains suggest it was the State Department that was most concerned about taking the blame for the attack. State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland sought changes to the talking points that would shield the agency — then led by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton — from congressional accusations that it had failed to properly secure the post, given the unstable situation in that area.

At one point, Nuland even wrote to a chain of administration officials relaying her concern that the talking points could be used as a cudgel against the State Department.

Interestingly, Politico never picks up on the reference on page 57 that the FBI had already figured out that al-Qaeda was involved, and not the local branch/affiliate.  Neither, for that matter, does Jake Tapper at CNN.  Jon Karl doesn’t mention the FBI assessment on page 57, but does note another excised passage:


The emails confirm the ABC News report that the so-called “talking points” written by the CIA on the attack underwent extensive revisions – 12 versions – and that substantial changes were made after the State Department expressed concerns.

The early versions of the talking points, drafted entirely by the CIA, included references to the al Qaeda affiliate Ansar al-Sharia and to previous CIA warnings about terror threats in Benghazi. State Department spokesman Victoria Nuland expressed concerns about including those references in the talking points. …

The following sections were crossed out and removed from later drafts:
•“On 10 September the Agency notified Embassy Cairo of social media reports calling for a demonstration and encouraging jihadists to break into the Embassy.”
•“… as to who is responsible for the violence, although the crowd almost certainly was a mix of individuals. That being said, there are indications that Islamic extremists participated in the violent demonstrations.”
•“The wide availability of weapons and experienced fighters in Libya almost certainly contributed to the lethality of the attacks.”
•“The Agency has produced numerous pieces on the threat of extremists linked to al-Qaeda in Benghazi and eastern Libya. Since April, there have been at least five other attacks against foreign interest in Benghazi by unidentified assailants, including the June attack against the British Ambassador’s convoy. We cannot rule out that individuals had previously surveilled the US facilities, also contributing to the efficacy of the attacks.”

One official, whose name was redacted from the email chain, responded to the changes: “They are fine with me. But, pretty sure HPSCI won’t like them :-)” HPSCI refers to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, members of which had requested the talking points.

Stephen Hayes, another reporter whose work the White House wanted to refute, wrote later that the release confirmed his and Karl’s accounts:


The documents, first reported by THE WEEKLY STANDARD in articles here and here, directly contradict claims by White House press secretary Jay Carney and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that the revisions of those talking points were driven by the intelligence community and show heavy input from top Obama administration officials, particularly those at the State Department.

The emails provide further detail about the rewriting of the talking points during a 24-hour period from midday September 14 to midday September 15. As THE WEEKLY STANDARD previously reported, a briefing from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence shows that the big changes came in three waves – internally at the CIA, after email feedback from top administration officials, and during or after a meeting of high-ranking intelligence and national security officials the following morning.

The initial CIA changes softened some of the language about the participants in the Benghazi assault – from “Islamic extremists with ties to al Qaeda” to “Islamic extremists.” But CIA officials also added bullet points about the possible participation of Ansar al Sharia, an al Qaeda-linked jihadist group, and previous warnings about the deteriorating security situation in Benghazi. Those additions came out after the talking points were sent to “the interagency,” where the CIA’s final draft was further stripped down to little more than boilerplate. The half dozen references to terrorists – both in Benghazi and more generally – all but disappeared. Gone were references to al Qaeda, Ansar al Sharia, jihadists, Islamic extremists, etc. The only remaining mention was a note that “extremists” had participated in the attack.

As striking as what appears in the email traffic is what does not. There is no mention of the YouTube video that would become a central part of the administration’s explanation of the attacks to the American people until a brief mention in the subject line of emails coming out of an important meeting where further revisions were made.

Hayes notes that Hillary Clinton’s and Jay Carney’s attempts to shove the changes off onto the CIA were less than honest.  Mike Morell made the changes, but on the urging of State:


Carney, in particular, is likely to face tough questioning about the contents of the emails because he made claims to reporters that were untrue. “The White House and the State Department have made clear that the single adjustment that was made to those talking points by either of those two – of these two institutions were changing the word ‘consulate’ to ‘diplomatic facility,’ because the word ‘consulate’ was inaccurate,” he told reporters on November 28, 2012.

That’s not true. An email sent at 9:15 PM on September 14, from an official in the CIA’s Office of Public Affairs to others at the agency, described the process this way. “The State Department had major reservations with much or most of the document. We revised the document with their concerns in mind.”

That directly contradicts what Carney said. It’s also difficult to reconcile with claims made by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton during testimony she gave January 23 on Capitol Hill.

“It was an intelligence product,” she said, adding later that the “intelligence community was the principal decider about what went into talking points.” (See here for the original version of the talking points and the final one.)

The result? We have an unequivocal statement almost in the exact middle of the evolution of these data points that the FBI had already determined that the attack involved al-Qaeda, which shouldn’t have come as a surprise to anyone, considering that the attack took place on the anniversary of the original 9/11 attacks.  Yet the final product, pushed in large part by State, eliminated all but the most ambiguous of suggestions that extremists had conducted an attack.  The talking points as communicated on September 16th added in the YouTube video nonsense to which the administration clung through the funerals and Obama’s speech to the UN late in September before finally giving it up.

How did the YouTube video get added to the State Department presentation?  How did everyone manage to ignore the FBI’s investigative direction and produce talking points that suggested almost the total opposite?  Those are questions the HPSCI should ask, and demand answers.

Update: Eli Lake certainly noticed the FBI’s analysis, and also thinks the CIA is getting off too easy for its decision to trust the local militia for security.

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Re: Leaked Emails Were EDITED To Make Obama LOOK BAD
« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2013, 04:09:05 PM »
They are now trying to block the heads of the Benghazi review committee from speaking publicly after they indicated a lot of mis truths and other issues have been stated.

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Re: Leaked Emails Were EDITED To Make Obama LOOK BAD
« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2013, 04:40:25 PM »
They are now trying to block the heads of the Benghazi review committee from speaking publicly after they indicated a lot of mis truths and other issues have been stated.

33,

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Re: Leaked Emails Were EDITED To Make Obama LOOK BAD
« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2013, 05:03:14 PM »
They are now trying to block the heads of the Benghazi review committee from speaking publicly after they indicated a lot of mis truths and other issues have been stated.

33,

soon this will be over, what will you do then?

Who specifically is trying to "block" them from speaking publicly and how are they trying to do this? 

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Re: Leaked Emails Were EDITED To Make Obama LOOK BAD
« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2013, 05:07:54 PM »
Benghazi Review Board To Issa: Talk To Us In Public, Not In Private

Ambassador Thomas Pickering and former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Michael Mullen are refusing a request from Rep. Darrel Issa to meet in private, preferring a public airing.
 

Thomas Pickering and Michael Mullen called the proposed closed-door proceeding an “inappropriate precondition” to their testifying before the committee in a letter sent Thursday to Issa, the chairman of the House Oversight panel. The letter was made public by the State Department.
 
“In the past week members of your Committee have publicly criticized – in both an open hearing and in the media – the work of the Accountability Review Board ,” the retired diplomat and the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff wrote. “Having taken liberal license to call into question the Board’s work, it is surprising that you now maintain that members of the Committee need a closed-door proceeding before being able to ask ‘informed questions’ at a public hearing.”
 

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Re: Leaked Emails Were EDITED To Make Obama LOOK BAD
« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2013, 05:17:14 PM »
Benghazi Review Board To Issa: Talk To Us In Public, Not In Private

Ambassador Thomas Pickering and former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Michael Mullen are refusing a request from Rep. Darrel Issa to meet in private, preferring a public airing.
 

Thomas Pickering and Michael Mullen called the proposed closed-door proceeding an “inappropriate precondition” to their testifying before the committee in a letter sent Thursday to Issa, the chairman of the House Oversight panel. The letter was made public by the State Department.
 
“In the past week members of your Committee have publicly criticized – in both an open hearing and in the media – the work of the Accountability Review Board ,” the retired diplomat and the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff wrote. “Having taken liberal license to call into question the Board’s work, it is surprising that you now maintain that members of the Committee need a closed-door proceeding before being able to ask ‘informed questions’ at a public hearing.”
 


Where is the part that says they are trying to block them from speaking in public?

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Re: Leaked Emails Were EDITED To Make Obama LOOK BAD
« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2013, 05:18:21 PM »
Still haven't heard anyone who can articulate exactly what the scandal is, much less the impeachable offense

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« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2013, 05:23:13 PM »
Still haven't heard anyone who can articulate exactly what the scandal is, much less the impeachable offense

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Re: Leaked Emails Were EDITED To Make Obama LOOK BAD
« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2013, 05:37:25 PM »
Where is the part that says they are trying to block them from speaking in public?
You are right it doesn't say that . He wants a closed doors meeting unlike the other whistleblowers. He may have rational reasons for this but it appears he is trying to keep them from talking.

But he could be justified in his view but I don't see the purpose and would prefer public debate.

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Re: Leaked Emails Were EDITED To Make Obama LOOK BAD
« Reply #39 on: May 16, 2013, 05:41:43 PM »
You are right it doesn't say that . He wants a closed doors meeting unlike the other whistleblowers. He may have rational reasons for this but it appears he is trying to keep them from talking.

But he could be justified in his view but I don't see the purpose and would prefer public debate.

He wanted a private meeting before they testified in public.  Happens all the time. 

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Re: Leaked Emails Were EDITED To Make Obama LOOK BAD
« Reply #40 on: May 16, 2013, 05:47:07 PM »
He wanted a private meeting before they testified in public.  Happens all the time. 

If it happens all the time as you say then why did Thomas Pickering and Michael Mullen call it an “inappropriate precondition”

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Re: Leaked Emails Were EDITED To Make Obama LOOK BAD
« Reply #41 on: May 16, 2013, 05:57:58 PM »
Still haven't heard anyone who can articulate exactly what the scandal is, much less the impeachable offense
maybe Gen. Patrius can help you with that...

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Re: Leaked Emails Were EDITED To Make Obama LOOK BAD
« Reply #42 on: May 16, 2013, 06:00:55 PM »
maybe Gen. Patrius can help you with that...

it's pretty clear that you nor anyone else on the board can articulate it

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Re: Leaked Emails Were EDITED To Make Obama LOOK BAD
« Reply #43 on: May 16, 2013, 06:02:04 PM »
If it happens all the time as you say then why did Thomas Pickering and Michael Mullen call it an “inappropriate precondition”

good question

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Re: Leaked Emails Were EDITED To Make Obama LOOK BAD
« Reply #44 on: May 16, 2013, 06:04:01 PM »
good question



That's not a good question, it's a fucking idiot's question.  Of course they're gonna call it that...they don't want to participate in it.

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« Reply #45 on: May 16, 2013, 06:09:50 PM »


That's not a good question, it's a fucking idiot's question.  Of course they're gonna call it that...they don't want to participate in it.

when did they say that

seems to me they have no problem at all speaking about it publicly which is how it should be

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Re: Leaked Emails Were EDITED To Make Obama LOOK BAD
« Reply #46 on: May 16, 2013, 06:12:43 PM »
it's pretty clear that you nor anyone else on the board can articulate it
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=479463.0

yea the director of the CIA objecting to the talking points used by the obama admin in emails the white house was involved in means absolutely nothing

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Re: Leaked Emails Were EDITED To Make Obama LOOK BAD
« Reply #47 on: May 16, 2013, 06:14:33 PM »
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=479463.0

yea the director of the CIA objecting to the talking points used by the obama admin in emails the white house was involved in means absolutely nothing

now all you have to do is explain how that is a scandal much less an impeachable offense

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Re: Leaked Emails Were EDITED To Make Obama LOOK BAD
« Reply #48 on: May 16, 2013, 06:15:46 PM »
when did they say that

seems to me they have no problem at all speaking about it publicly which is how it should be



They don't want to participate in the private meeting dumbfuck.  That really shot over your head?   Explains a lot...

The private meeting is nothing more than to allow committee members to prepare questions, and note areas where they want more clarification.  Issa is still giving them a public forum.

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« Reply #49 on: May 16, 2013, 06:17:47 PM »


They don't want to participate in the private meeting dumbfuck.  That really shot over your head?   Explains a lot...

The private meeting is nothing more than to allow committee members to prepare questions, and note areas where they want more clarification.  Issa is still giving them a public forum.

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