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« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2013, 12:37:00 PM »

I'm sensing a pattern here . . . .

A bushel of Pinocchios for IRS’s Lois Lerner
Posted by Glenn Kessler at 06:00 AM ET, 05/20/2013
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In the days since the Internal Revenue Service first disclosed that it had targeted conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status, new information has emerged from both the Treasury inspector general’s report and congressional testimony Friday that calls into question key statements made by Lois G. Lerner, the IRS’s director of the exempt organizations division.

The clumsy way the IRS disclosed the issue, as well as Lerner’s press briefing by phone, were seen at the time as a public relations disaster. But even so, it is worth reviewing three key statements made by Lerner and comparing them to the facts that have since emerged.

“But between 2010 and 2012, we started seeing a very big uptick in the number of 501(c)(4) applications we were receiving, and many of these organizations applying more than doubled, about 1500 in 2010 and over 3400 in 2012.”
Lerner made this comment while issuing a seemingly impromptu apology at an American Bar Association panel. (It was later learned that this was a planted question — more on that below.) In her telling, the tax-exempt branch was simply overwhelmed by applications, and so unfortunate shortcuts were taken.

But this claim of “more than doubled” appears to be a red herring. The targeting of groups began in early 2010, after the Supreme Court’s decision in Citizens United v. FEC was announced on Jan. 21. The ruling led to increased interest in a tax-exempt status known as 501(c)(4). Most charities apply under 501(c)(3), but under 501(c)(4), nonprofit groups that engage in “social welfare” can also perform a limited amount of election activity.

At first glance, the inspector general’s report appears to show that the number of 501(c)(4) applications actually went down that year, from 1,751 in 2009 to 1,735.

But it turns out that these are federal fiscal-year figures, meaning “2010” is actually Oct. 1, 2009 to Sept. 30, 2010, so the “2010” year includes more than three months before the Supreme Court decision was announced.

Astonishingly, despite Lerner’s public claim, an IRS spokeswoman was not able to provide the actual calendar year numbers. By allocating one-quarter of the fiscal year numbers to the prior year, we can get a very rough sense of the increase on a calendar-year basis. (Figures are rounded to avoid false precision; 2012 is not possible to calculate.)

2009: 1745

2010: 1865

2011: 2540

In other words, while there was an increase in 2010, it was relatively small. The real jump did not come until 2011, long after the targeting of conservative groups had been implemented. Also, it appears Lerner significantly understated the number of applications in 2010 (“1500”) in order to make her claim of “more than doubled.”

“I think you guys were reading the paper as much as I was. So it was pretty much we started seeing information in the press that raised questions for us, and we went back and took a look.”
Here, Lerner suggests that she found out about this issue only when news reports appeared in February and March 2012 about tea party groups complaining that they were being targeted. But the IG timeline shows this claim to be false.

According the IG, Lerner had a briefing on the issue on June 29, 2011, in which she was told about the BOLO (“Be On the Look Out”) criteria that included words such as “tea party” or “patriots.” The report says she raised concerns about the wording and “instructed that the criteria be immediately revised.” She continued to be heavily involved in the issue in the months preceding the new reports, according to the timeline.


“I don’t believe anyone ever asked me that question before.”
This was Lerner’s excuse during the media call for why she had not publicly addressed the issue before.

But in congressional testimony Friday, outgoing acting director Steven T. Miller said he had talked with Lerner about arranging to make a statement at a May 10 conference sponsored by the American Bar Association, knowing that the IG report would soon be released.

Lerner then contacted a friend, Celia Roady, a tax attorney with the Washington firm Morgan Lewis, to get her to ask a question about the targeting, according to a statement by Roady on Friday. (Roady had previously denied this was a planted question when asked directly by participants at the meeting.)

So Lerner was dissembling when she suggested that a simple well-aimed question prompted the disclosure.

In fact, just two days before the ABA conference, Lerner appeared before Congress and was asked by Rep. Joseph Crowley (D-N.Y.) about the status of investigations into 501(c)(4) groups. She provided a bland answer about a questionnaire on the IRS Web site, failing to take the opportunity to disclose the results of the probe. (The clip is embedded below, with the question coming at 5:09.) Small wonder that Crowley is now calling for her to resign, saying that Lerner lied to him.


We gave the IRS the weekend to provide a response. A spokeswoman said the agency was not able to offer an explanation for Lerner’s remarks in time for our deadline.


The Pinocchio Test


In some ways, this is just scratching the surface of Lerner’s misstatements and weasely wording when the revelations about the IRS’s activities first came to light on May 10. But, taken together, it’s certainly enough to earn her four Pinocchios.


Four Pinocchios


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« Reply #26 on: May 20, 2013, 04:35:33 PM »

nate silver said that after his analysis that liberal voters/groups were more like to be scrutinized by the IRS.
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« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2013, 04:09:12 PM »

Morning Jolt. . . with Jim Geraghty
June 6, 2013
Three Administration Lies to the Public That Must Have Consequences

President Obama, speaking to the American public, Friday afternoon:

If people can't trust not only the executive branch but also don't trust Congress, and don't trust federal judges, to make sure that we're abiding by the Constitution with due process and rule of law, then we're going to have some problems here.

In the specific issue that Obama is discussing, i.e., oversight of the National Security Agency's vast data collection on American citizens, there is the problem in that no one within that system of oversight has the role or duty to speak on behalf of those being monitored, or about to be monitored. The executive branch knows what it wants — it wants to monitor people. The Congress may or may not want to advocate the argument, "hey, that person hasn't done anything wrong, you have no good reason to collect that information on them", but judging from what we now know, no one argued that perspective very strongly. And the oversight of the judicial branch is pretty weak when we know the Department of Justice goes "judge shopping" when their initial requests are rejected. If the executive branch can keep going to new judges until they get the decision they want, there isn't really much of a check on their power, is there?

Regarding that alleged congressional oversight, Senator Ron Wyden, Oregon Democrat, is coming awfully close to accusing the president of lying:

Since government officials have repeatedly told the public and Congress that Patriot Act authorities are simply analogous to a grand jury subpoena, and that intelligence agencies do not collect information or dossiers on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans, I think the executive branch has an obligation to explain whether or not these statements are actually true.

Wyden's suspicion is driven by a lie he appears to have been told under oath, one we'll look at in a moment. But more generally, we have seen quite a few folks in the executive branch abuse the public's trust and then see no real consequences for it.

LIE ONE: White House press secretary Jay Carney's November 28 explanation about changes made to talking points about the Benghazi attack:

The White House and the State Department have made clear that the single adjustment that was made to those talking points by either of those two — of these two institutions were changing the word "consulate" to "diplomatic facility," because "consulate" was inaccurate. Those talking points originated from the intelligence community. They reflect the IC's best assessments of what they thought had happened.

You can see the twelve rounds of revisions here, well more than a single adjustment, and mostly in response to State Department objections.

After it became clear that Carney had put forth false information, he dug in deeper. Carney paid for his lie with two days of hostile questions from the White House Press Corps . . . and then the storm seemed to have blown over.

LIE TWO: Attorney General Eric Holder, testifying under oath before the House Judiciary Committee, May 15:

Well, I would say this. With regard to the potential prosecution of the press for the disclosure of material, that is not something that I've ever been involved in, heard of or would think would be a wise policy.
Michael Isikoff later reported the precise opposite:

The Justice Department pledged Friday to review its policies relating to the seizure of information from journalists after acknowledging that a controversial search warrant for a  Fox News reporter's private emails  was approved "at the highest levels" of the Justice Department, including "discussions" with Attorney General  Eric Holder.

There is a claim from the usual suspects — Media Matters — that Holder is in the clear because he was asked about prosecutions for publishing classified information, not solicitation for classified information; they assert that the two actions are totally different. A pretty thin reed for a perjury defense, and one that utterly fails the standard of the chief law-enforcement officer of the United States informing the public of his department's operations.

For us to believe that, it would mean that during the entire Justice Department discussion of prosecuting Fox News' James Rosen for soliciting the information, no one suggested or mentioned prosecuting Rosen for publishing it. Remember, Holder didn't just say he didn't agree with that idea; he said he never heard of the idea.

LIE THREE: Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, testifying under oath before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence on March 12, responding to questions from Wyden:
Wyden: "Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?"

Clapper: "No, sir."
Wyden: "It does not?"
Clapper: "Not wittingly. There are cases where they could, inadvertently perhaps, collect—but not wittingly."

The subsequent explanation from Clapper, to National Journal: "What I said was, the NSA does not voyeuristically pore through U.S. citizens' e-mails. I stand by that."

But that's not what he was asked, nor was it even close to what he was asked. In fact, the light from what he was asked takes several years to reach a question about voyeurism.

If your excuse is that you are incapable of discerning what "any type of data at all" means, you are no longer allowed to keep a job title that has the word "intelligence" in it.

This weekend, the Guardian reported, "During a 30-day period in March 2013, the documents indicate, the NSA collected nearly 3 billion pieces of intelligence from within the United States."

Two of these three were under oath before Congress; the other was to the press, with the cameras rolling, on a topic of high public interest and great controversy.

If Obama were to ask for the resignations of Carney, Holder, and Clapper tomorrow, all of us who don't trust him would have to at least acknowledge that he's trying to set a better standard for consequences of lying to the public. But all of us know that he will do nothing of the sort.

Instead, he will continue to give speeches where he expresses incredulity that the public wouldn't trust him and his administration.

'Hi, I'm Edward, and I'll Be Your Whistleblower for This Week'

The Guardian introduces us to their source: "The individual responsible for one of the most significant leaks in US political history is Edward Snowden , a 29-year-old former technical assistant for the CIA and current employee of the defence contractor Booz Allen Hamilton. Snowden has been working at the National Security Agency for the last four years as an employee of various outside contractors, including Booz Allen and Dell."

Clapper's coming for him: "Office of DNI states bluntly that anyone with a security clearance is obligated to "protect classified information & abide by the law.'"

Farhad Manjoo: "So one guy who works for a CONTRACTOR for the NSA had access to 'everything.' This doesn't inspire confidence in this agency's data security."

Hey, It's Not Like That Country's a Powder Keg with Huge Religious Influence, Right?

Here's a strong guess on the next place to see a popular uprising:

Every nation bordering Syria—Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, Israel, Turkey—is being drawn into the conflict there. The leaders in these countries are worried, to say the least. But why is Saudi Arabia in a panic?

None of the Syrian warfare is spilling over into Saudi Arabia. Iraq and Jordan serve as buffers. Still, hundreds if not thousands of Saudis (nobody's counting) are pouring into Syria to fight with one or another of the factions trying to unseat Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. And that has Saudi leaders terrified.

Saudi Arabia's most important cleric, Grand Mufti Sheik Abdulaziz al-Sheik, recently warned that there was no religious reason for Saudis to join the Syrian war.

"The situation in Syria is chaotic due to the proliferation of armed groups that do not fight under a unified banner," he said. "This is not considered jihad, which must be approved by rulers." Among those rulers he seemed to be including himself. And a year ago, Saudi Arabia's Council of Senior Ulema, the state's highest religious authority, issued [1] a fatwa prohibiting fighting in Syria without permission from the authorities.

King Abdullah also warned Saudis to stay out of it—as have many other Saudi government officers over many months—to no good effect.

Why are they so concerned? Well, all of them remember well what happened almost ten years ago when thousands of Saudis joined the jihads against the United States in Iraq and Afghanistan and then came back and turned their weapons on Saudis and foreigners who lived there. Hundreds died. . . .

Today most of the Saudi men fighting in Syria have joined the Nusra Front [3], an al-Qaeda affiliate—giving further worry to Saudi leaders.

 http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/350616/three-lies-public-must-have-consequences-jim-geraghty
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« Reply #28 on: June 20, 2013, 06:44:02 AM »

His entire administration has zero integrity. Pathological liars. I wouldn't trust any of them to to even watch my dog for the weekend. Lie, cheat and steal.

in your opinion.. did the Bush administration have integrity, what about Ronald Reagan.... Please answer carefully
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« Reply #29 on: June 20, 2013, 07:07:01 AM »

in your opinion.. did the Bush administration have integrity, what about Ronald Reagan.... Please answer carefully

Remember the shitstain from Kenya who ran on C H A N G E?

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« Reply #30 on: June 20, 2013, 07:17:00 AM »

Remember the shitstain from Kenya who ran on C H A N G E?


I have no clue as to whom you are referring to.
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« Reply #31 on: June 20, 2013, 07:21:02 AM »

I have no clue as to whom you are referring to.

lOL - remember the Kenyan Marxist fraud and idiot you and your fellow peeps thought was thw anti-W who ran on "HOPE AND C  H A  N  G  E" ?


So now what are you left with?  A scumbag liar who is as bad or worse than those you thought he was going to be better than and now all you can say - "but they did it too"


Pathetic how slavish and cultish you clowns are to these messiahs in politics
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« Reply #32 on: June 20, 2013, 07:31:38 AM »

lOL - remember the Kenyan Marxist fraud and idiot you and your fellow peeps thought was thw anti-W who ran on "HOPE AND C  H A  N  G  E" ?


So now what are you left with?  A scumbag liar who is as bad or worse than those you thought he was going to be better than and now all you can say - "but they did it too"


Pathetic how slavish and cultish you clowns are to these messiahs in politics

aye calm down little man.. chicken little

Every politican runs on a platform, and every politician doesnt live up to it "No new taxes!!!!"... you know.. shit like that. Obama is a politican...

oh yeah.. he is also your reason for living
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« Reply #33 on: June 20, 2013, 07:33:08 AM »

aye calm down little man.. chicken little

Every politican runs on a platform, and every politician doesnt live up to it "No new taxes!!!!"... you know.. shit like that. Obama is a politican...

oh yeah.. he is also your reason for living

And when GHWB got busted for lying he was voted out.   Obama lied and people still make endless excuses for him why?  Simple answer. 
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« Reply #34 on: June 20, 2013, 08:11:58 AM »

And when GHWB got busted for lying he was voted out.   Obama lied and people still make endless excuses for him why?  Simple answer. 

What did GHWB get busted for?..What lie
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« Reply #35 on: June 20, 2013, 08:12:55 AM »

What did GHWB get busted for?..What lie

You are the one who just posted it dipshit! 

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« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2013, 08:18:58 AM »

You are the one who just posted it dipshit! 



yo calm your small frail ass down.

Ok so you think GHWB told one lie and was voted out for it?....

And you say obama tells lies and doesnt and you want to know "what gives"
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« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2013, 08:30:29 AM »

yo calm your small frail ass down.

Ok so you think GHWB told one lie and was voted out for it?....

And you say obama tells lies and doesnt and you want to know "what gives"

Yes - again - I know you are a low information voter  - but look up what was the main thing in 1993 in Clinton v Bush "READ MY LIPS" 


Be honest - you cant possibly be this dumb. 
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« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2013, 08:32:24 AM »

Yes - again - I know you are a low information voter  - but look up what was the main thing in 1993 in Clinton v Bush "READ MY LIPS" 


Be honest - you cant possibly be this dumb. 

lol...ok... you... of all people... on this board.... calling someone dumb... wow... welcome to the multiverse
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« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2013, 08:35:03 AM »

lol...ok... you... of all people... on this board.... calling someone dumb... wow... welcome to the multiverse

You didn't know the reference of the own thing you cited  - sorry that is DUMB!
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« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2013, 08:44:54 AM »

You didn't know the reference of the own thing you cited  - sorry that is DUMB!

who said i didnt?... you... you are wrong quite a bit


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« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2013, 08:47:23 AM »

who said i didnt?... you... you are wrong quite a bit


Landslide Coming!!!!

speaking of integrity - Oh-Shit!  lied again

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/nsa-claim-thwarted-nyse-plot-contradicted-court-documents/story?id=19436557#.UcMj3T7D_IU

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« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2013, 08:48:37 AM »


Did Bush 2 get voted out after the WMD lie?
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« Reply #43 on: June 20, 2013, 08:50:20 AM »

Did Bush 2 get voted out after the WMD lie?

Is it a lie if you are too stupid to know it's a lie?
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« Reply #44 on: June 20, 2013, 08:51:25 AM »

Did Bush 2 get voted out after the WMD lie?

Everyone thought that Iraq had WMD including Bill, Hill, Kerry, UK, France, the UN, etc. 
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« Reply #45 on: June 20, 2013, 08:54:53 AM »

Everyone thought that Iraq had WMD including Bill, Hill, Kerry, UK, France, the UN, etc. 

I didn't think there was and I was right, what is frightening is that a guy like me had it right and all those people had it wrong...
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« Reply #46 on: June 20, 2013, 08:55:31 AM »

I didn't think there was and I was right, what is frightening is that a guy like me had it right and all those people had it wrong...

I know the feeling.   Wink  Wink
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« Reply #47 on: June 20, 2013, 09:11:39 AM »

I didn't think there was and I was right, what is frightening is that a guy like me had it right and all those people had it wrong...
I'm sure a few of those people knew it was bullshit but stood to gain a lot financially.
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« Reply #48 on: June 20, 2013, 12:55:16 PM »

I didn't think there was and I was right, what is frightening is that a guy like me had it right and all those people had it wrong...

Not frightening.  You were just lucky.  Or did you have access to intel? 
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« Reply #49 on: June 20, 2013, 02:40:12 PM »

Only unsuccessful politicians have "integrity." The successful ones do not.
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