Anyone else anticipating the new XBOX reveal tomorrow?

[JediTerminator]

have to pay a fee to play used games?

so this destroys the second hand market  (pawn shops, etc.)

also, how are the welfares with no jobs that play 24 hours a day gonna afford all this shit if you gotta pay fees. (bet with a credit card too)

xbox commited suicide

[El Diablo Blanco]

A fee for second hand games would kill game sites like gamefly and redbox because then there's no point of renting games

[Grape Ape]

"subjective" to you because apparently you only played god of war 3 and uncharted and then traded it in, list the best exclusives for best consoles, sony has a much deeper rosterand the only people that argue it's subjective are people that haven't even played them, sony has more amazing exclusives coming in the last of us and beyond 2 souls

you say sony can't be trusted yet you trust a company that released broken consoles?

i have both consoles at this point and i'm far from a fan boy, you on the other hand only have one and you take shots at ps3 every chance you get

E

Played MGS4, GoW3, and Uncharted to start.....but it's subjective as stated.  Thought they were great.  As I did with many XBox titles as well.  MGS is my favorite video game series ever.

I only take shots at the PS3 when points are made on non subjective items like profit margin, server reliability, market share, cross title games being ported, texture ram, etc....... I want the PS4 to be successful, because I'm going to buy one, and it means more fun for me.   I don't want Sony to fail, but their company has been a mess the last few years, with a good sized decline in thier stock since then.  The PS3 has contributed to that, and was definitely NOT what they were expecting when they launched it.

[cephissus]

So you're refuting the links?

they don't even come CLOSE to showing that "the lifetime profit from PS3 is negative five billion dollars"

you say the PS3 isn't what sony was hoping for... when?  when they were dreaming it up as PS2 passed the 100 million mark?  no shit.  as soon as the 360 took off, it was apparent, though, there wasn't going to be a domination.  whether they let this show through their PR or not, there's no way they were naive behind closed doors.  yeah, rough start, but in the end things didn't turn out bad.

[Marty Champions]

sure profits were low last year but xbox360 is just fine with graphix shure it breaks down like a computer might not run perfect. just make a perfectly running 360 with better games more bigger controllers mean more diverse game play

[cephissus]

johnny, your first post in this thread is actually brilliant

you understand videogames, that's for sure

[GigantorX]

A fee for second hand games would kill game sites like gamefly and redbox because then there's no point of renting games

This disturbs me and it's a trend for publishers and content creators in film, games, music and TV, in that they want us to purchase a lease or licence for the media we bought...so although we may have the disc or download we don't really own it, we simply rent it in a way. This kind of stuff will be pushed by all media outlets and is being pushed by all media outlets.

This is a place I would like to see some court room action sorting out what "fair use" is for something someone has bought and owns.

Either way, from what I can see....I don't think Microsoft has a full 100% solid plan to implement. Post reveal there were many reps from MS being asked these questions and all of them seemed to give contradictory answers. Even when they went to Twitter to clarify they gave conflicting information. I think this will evolve right up until launch. There were statements about a used game marketplace on XBox Live and such, but no real detail, although the PS4 reveal was cloudy as well. E3 will hopefully bring us answers.

Also, expect Sony to something similar. If the manufacturer won't do it then you bet publishers will do it....just like they are doing it now. Very anti-consumer.

[King Shizzo]

How the hell will businesses like Gamestop survive? The new xbox is designed to milk every penny out of the consumer. No backwards compatibility? Fuck you! They want to milk profits from the 360 for a few more years. Pay to play used games? I am going to love how they plan on implementing this. Could be the biggest business blunder in history.

[Grape Ape]

they don't even come CLOSE to showing that "the lifetime profit from PS3 is negative five billion dollars"

you say the PS3 isn't what sony was hoping for... when?  when they were dreaming it up as PS2 passed the 100 million mark?  no shit.  as soon as the 360 took off, it was apparent, though, there wasn't going to be a domination.  whether they let this show through their PR or not, there's no way they were naive behind closed doors.  yeah, rough start, but in the end things didn't turn out bad.

It was infinitely closer than you just saying "things didn't turn out bad".

If they had a 4.7B loss (confirmed in link) through q2 of 2010, 4.5 years into it's lifecycle,  you think they made a significant chunk back between the last two and a half years - not in 2012:  http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/05/09/sony-posts-profits-for-the-year-but-not-because-of-playstation.aspx  So, unless the had a 5B profit from the division in Q12013, they got crushed.

Things didn't turn out bad?  They went from the leader at 60% market share for the PS2 to third place an 29.7% for the life of the PS3.    http://www.vgchartz.com/article/250810/2013-year-on-year-sales-and-market-share-update-to-march-2nd/   That's a disaster.

As for expectations, here's Sony's president in 2006, with the XBox already being out a year:

KH:   Well, the numbers change depending on how you slice and dice the data. What I'm saying is, given any metric they use to chart sales between 2006 and 2011, or calendar year to date of 2001, whatever you do, when we look back, I'd like to think that our market share will be as good--if not better--than what we've accomplished with the PS2 in the same kind of time frame since launch.

And here's an independent analyst group saying they'll take a dip with the new consoles but still win the market:  http://www.gamespot.com/news/hirai-ps3-will-keep-or-surpass-ps2s-market-share-6156046

They were not expected to get absolutely lambasted like they did in market share.  The Wii was completely underestimated, as was the 360.   The company's a mess for many reasons, one being the PS3.  The company recently laid of 10,000 people and sold their US headquarters for capital.  Their stock has dropped from 40 to the teens since the 4.7B loss quoted above.  They're in big trouble.   I hope they rebound.

[cephissus]

It was infinitely closer than you just saying "things didn't turn out bad".

If they had a 4.7B loss (confirmed in link) through q2 of 2010, 4.5 years into it's lifecycle,

The "4.7B loss" included other products as well as PS3, for one thing, and for another, yes.

Things didn't turn out bad?  They went from the leader at 60% market share for the PS2 to third place an 29.7% for the life of the PS3.    http://www.vgchartz.com/article/250810/2013-year-on-year-sales-and-market-share-update-to-march-2nd/   That's a disaster.

We've been over this before -- as if the competition was just going to lie there dormant forever.

As for expectations, here's Sony's president in 2006, with the XBox already being out a year:

And here's an independent analyst group saying they'll take a dip with the new consoles but still win the market:  http://www.gamespot.com/news/hirai-ps3-will-keep-or-surpass-ps2s-market-share-6156046

They were not expected to get absolutely lambasted like they did in market share.  The Wii was completely underestimated, as was the 360.   The company's a mess for many reasons, one being the PS3.

oh brother an "independent analyst group" (do you think i was born yesterday?  let's have a look at the 5 million other completely asinine predictions "independent analyst groups" have made regarding gaming trends) and kaz' ramblings (it's a japanese company, LOL @ expecting a shred of honest from public statements)

look the wiiu is a disaster, the virtual boy is a disaster, the 3DO, jaguar, ngage, etc. were disasters.

you'd probably say the gamecube and n64 were disasters too

i feel as retarded, replying to this stuff, as if i were posting on neogaf or penny-arcade

[Grape Ape]

The "4.7B loss" included other products as well as PS3, for one thing, and for another, yes.

Sony’s Q2 financials today have taken total PlayStation division losses to $4.7 billion since PS3 launched in November 2006.

We've been over this before -- as if the competition was just going to lie there dormant forever.

We've been over it before, but it's still fact.  No matter what the reason, they got crushed in market share.  Going from 60% in first to 29% in third is a failure for Sony, and a success for MS and the Wii.  If you get crushed by your competition, be it new or existing, it's a disaster.

oh brother an "independent analyst group" (do you think i was born yesterday?  let's have a look at the 5 million other completely asinine predictions "independent analyst groups" have made regarding gaming trends) and kaz' ramblings (it's a japanese company, LOL @ expecting a shred of honest from public statements)

I grabbed a real industry analyst report.  Small sample yes, but more tangible than you just making a statement.

look the wiiu is a disaster, the virtual boy is a disaster, the 3DO, jaguar, ngage, etc. were disasters.

you'd probably say the gamecube and n64 were disasters too

Never disagreed with any of the addtional disasters you mention, never said anything abot the cube or n64.  It's a PS3 numbers discussion.  Could have been a good one too, if you didn't start with the roll eyes bullshit.

But, if you think a game system losing 50% of its market share to its competitors is "doing fine", go with that.

[GigantorX]

How the hell will businesses like Gamestop survive? The new xbox is designed to milk every penny out of the consumer. No backwards compatibility? Fuck you! They want to milk profits from the 360 for a few more years. Pay to play used games? I am going to love how they plan on implementing this. Could be the biggest business blunder in history.

Gamestop can go fuck itself, I could give 2 flying fucks about that shit business.

Backwards compatibility would be almost impossible to implement for the Xbox One AND the PS4. The architectures are too different from their predecessors so an emulator would be necessary and it probably wouldn't work at all. Failing that you would need to put the actual physical chips from the PS3 or 360 in the respective systems, that means cost/packaging and heat all go up. It wouldn't be possible.

If you want BC then keep your old system.

[deadpan]

How the hell will businesses like Gamestop survive? The new xbox is designed to milk every penny out of the consumer. No backwards compatibility? Fuck you! They want to milk profits from the 360 for a few more years. Pay to play used games? I am going to love how they plan on implementing this. Could be the biggest business blunder in history.

that's exactly why i like playstation. i'm a PC gamer first and foremost, but back when PS3 came out i had some money to spare and wanted to take advantage of my HD tv, so i waited a few months and bought a used 60 gig, fully backwards compatible ps3 so i could play all my ps1 and ps2 games on and watch blu rays too. cost me like 400 bucks with shipping, this was when blu ray players were going for like 250 too. OMG SUCH A TERRIBLE SYSTEM.

still works like a champ, too. if it was an xbox it would've red-ringed ages ago. and none of that nickle and diming shit either. xbox's target market is pubescent teens spending their parents' money. no self-respecting wage earner would submit themselves to having to pay a FEE in order to play a used game. seriously xbox has single-handedly driven the gaming industry back a decade. steam's the biggest beacon of hope for gaming integrity now.

[Mr Nobody]

I will beat the piss out of a Xbox with a ball bat.

[cephissus]

But, if you think a game system losing 50% of its market share to its competitors is "doing fine", go with that.

this is the crux of the matter, and i do think it's fine.  you can't go on dominating forever; sooner or later the competition is going to wise up and cut down on your marketshare and profits.  this is what happened to sony with the PS3.  a far cry, in my opinion, from systems that crashed and burned, had their shelf lives cut drastically short, barely had any developer support, ended up with the company pulling out of the market, etc.

[Grape Ape]

this is the crux of the matter, and i do think it's fine.  you can't go on dominating forever; sooner or later the competition is going to wise up and cut down on your marketshare and profits.  this is what happened to sony with the PS3.  a far cry, in my opinion, from systems that crashed and burned, had their shelf lives cut drastically short, barely had any developer support, ended up with the company pulling out of the market, etc.

Yup, that's the crux of our disagreement.  I do agree the market can't be dominated every generation, and I do agree that the PS3 did survive and did not flame out while other have, and it did catch up in sales.  And I did like the system.

We just disagree on how we define it vs expectations and impacts to Sony.  All good.

[cephissus]

Yup, that's the crux of our disagreement.  I do agree the market can't be dominated every generation, and I do agree that the PS3 did survive and did not flame out while other have, and it did catch up in sales.  And I did like the system.

We just disagree on how we define it vs expectations and impacts to Sony.  All good.

cool 

let's just kick back and remember the glorious xbox ONE reveal:

[Grape Ape]

cool  

let's just kick back and remember the glorious xbox ONE reveal:

My initial thoughts:

From a specs/media aspect it was pretty much as I thought.
Not thrilled with the look, but not hating either.  Just wanted something more funky, but it looks like it's designed not to be hidden in a living room.
Glad the controller wasn't changed - I think it's the best I've used, but that's subjective.
I'm sure the games will look out of this world, so CoD will be gorgeous even though it will be the same multiplayer game I've played the 4 go rounds.  I will still enjoy it though.  MS getting the maps first is pretty big.
Now that I've thought about it, I don't think backwards compatibility is a big deal at all.   I don't replay old games anyway, and if I do, they'll be an emulator and I keep my old consoles - N64, cube, PSone/2.
Hope there's no slim/streamlined version too near after launch.
A lot of the features I probably won't use, outside of it replacing a Cable Box in my house.  I may eventually bag cable if this stuff gets more content.

[The True Adonis]

cool 

let's just kick back and remember the glorious xbox ONE reveal:

ROFOLMAO that was great.

[The True Adonis]

COD: Ghosts has one of the most realistic lighting effects of any videogame.

[GigantorX]

COD: Ghosts has one of the most realistic lighting effects of any videogame.

Um, Ok?

Is this a comment on the Xbox or the game itself because it's multiplatform.

[The True Adonis]

Um, Ok?

Is this a comment on the Xbox or the game itself because it's multiplatform.

No, it was just another amusing moment in the Xbox One Reveal Conference. 

[Marty Champions]

johnny, your first post in this thread is actually brilliant

you understand videogames, that's for sure

these creative junctures for gaming consols come to us in cycles of time, this just insnt one of those times for the 'leap' of something even better than what we have but around 2018 things will be impressive compared to now

the fact that they are integrating more tv 'stuff's is a definit gimmic move for microsoft revealing how weak the innovation is over there

gee how hard is it to program split screen the xbox and a tv show "lets gimmic that gee golly" stupid fucks running the show as usual but strength in numbers!

[Mr Nobody]

The new models suck.

[che]

these creative junctures for gaming consols come to us in cycles of time, this just insnt one of those times for the 'leap' of something even better than what we have but around 2018 things will be impressive compared to now

the fact that they are integrating more tv 'stuff's is a definit gimmic move for microsoft revealing how weak the innovation is over there

gee how hard is it to program split screen the xbox and a tv show "lets gimmic that gee golly" stupid fucks running the show as usual but strength in numbers!

Wigga please .