Soldier decapitated on london street

[Radical Plato]

Someone put this E-kul spaz on a leach. He keeps pyramid shitting all over threads.

SON OF A BITCH.

What's pyramid shitting?

[ukjeff]

First, I say that people would be free to do what they like, and you respond with, you want to enforce your rules on others.  I seriously have to question someone who sees offering one freedom as forcing a rule upon them.  This is some of the most bizarre logic you have offered up so far.

You missed the bit about "as long as they don't harm others", that was you imposing your rules, now lets try and define "harm".

What an anarchist system does is reduce the motivation to do dumb shit, so people can still do all the dumb shit they have ever done, but under such a system they will not be rewarded for it, and therefore less likely to indulge in such behaviour.

Under your system no one can be taken to task about anything until they have harmed someone. (we still need to define "harm")

And legislature isn't preventative.  You simply can't prevent people doing dumb shit.  Legislature is a deterrent and a punitive mechanism.  That's it, if it could prevent crime there would already be no such thing.

Legislation makes people think twice about doing something that the legislation forbids.
People tend to stop doing something if there are potential consequences.
Less people drink and drive because they fear their licence being taken away, remove the legislation and we will have piss heads behind the wheel way more often.
In your world a 12 year old can have 10 cans of cider and get behind the wheel of a car and drive around, its only when he 'harms' someone that you stop him.

[Raymondo]

Hilarious back and forth in this thread between:

a) a 47-year-old loser who melted last month and swore he would never post in Getbig again

b) a confirmed psychiatric patient who was sectioned by the police, but it was the police's fault


And in tries to squeeze booty, that awesome success story of a person.

[Bad Boy Dazza]

if you dont like muslims, go do a breivik or something.

I would rather do it within the legal system.  Believe it or not (I know I make some over the top statements) but I would rather not kill.  I would support mass deportation of all but the most genuine Muslim refugees, and they would have to tow the societal line.

[Radical Plato]

one of the anarchist rules would be, am i allowed to take my pitbulls for a run in the park with no leash.

so much for anarchy,then.

I disagree, under an anarchist system I would fare better than under our current one.  As it stands now, I am not allowed to carry any defensive weaponry on my person.  In an anarchist system, there would be no such restrictions.   I dare say, that even under anarchistic conditions that pitbull ownership will remain the realm of the uncouth and imbecilic, those types wouldn't fair well in an anarchistic system and more than likely find themselves outcast.  And anarchy doesn't imply no rules, but minimal rules, peaceful relations and non violence are crucial for it to work, anything that threatened that would be frowned upon.

[Archer77]

I would rather do it within the legal system.  Believe it or not (I know I make some over the top statements) but I would rather not kill.  I would support mass deportation of all but the most genuine Muslim refugees, and they would have to tow the societal line.

There are a lot of things that can be done using the legal system.

[bigmc]

I would rather do it within the legal system.  Believe it or not (I know I make some over the top statements) but I would rather not kill.  I would support mass deportation of all but the most genuine Muslim refugees, and they would have to tow the societal line.

but at least you have killed with your bare hands should it come down to it

[Bad Boy Dazza]

badbreathdana thinks its his duty to make furious homophobic posts on the internet.

If gay men want to pleasure each other that is their choice.  If I think it is unhealthy that is mine.  If you have a problem with my view, that is your choice.

I hope you can live with that.

[bigmc]

If gay men want to pleasure each other that is their choice.  If I think it is unhealthy that is mine.  If you have a problem with my view, that is your choice.

I hope you can live with that.

how many people have you killed with your bare hands bro

[Radical Plato]

You missed the bit about "as long as they don't harm others", that was you imposing your rules, now lets try and define "harm".Under your system no one can be taken to task about anything until they have harmed someone. (we still need to define "harm")Legislation makes people think twice about doing something that the legislation forbids.
People tend to stop doing something if there are potential consequences.
Less people drink and drive because they fear their licence being taken away, remove the legislation and we will have piss heads behind the wheel way more often.
In your world a 12 year old can have 10 cans of cider and get behind the wheel of a car and drive around, its only when he 'harms' someone that you stop him.

It's called the paradox of freedom, Freedom doesn't mean the right to do whatever you want, that's some idealistic naive interpretation of it.  Then for no reason we would be free to take away another's freedom.  The freedom you are describing leads the bullies to enslave the meek, paradoxically leading to a loss of freedom.  To truly appreciate it, we have to explore the meaning of the word tolerance.  Sir Karl Raimund Popper offered up a good account of it:  And what you are describing is a deterrent, not a preventative measure.  A lot of crime could be attributed to the current paradigm we live under.  You remove a lot of these causes created by our current defective system and the incentive to commit crimes will simply vanish,  there will still be crimes of passion and the like, but overall, the crime will drop dramatically.

[ukjeff]

I disagree, under an anarchist system I would fare better than under our current one.  As it stands now, I am not allowed to carry any defensive weaponry on my person.  In an anarchist system, there would be no such restrictions.   I dare say, that even under anarchistic conditions that pitbull ownership will remain the realm of the uncouth and imbecilic, those types wouldn't fair well in an anarchistic system and more than likely find themselves outcast.  And anarchy doesn't imply no rules, but minimal rules, peaceful relations and non violence are crucial for it to work, anything that threatened that would be frowned upon.

Fare better?
How by being able to get away with doing things that currently you cant?
You have already admitted you have trouble with authority figures, maybe you need keeping on a tight leash (like a pitbull)
You want to carry a gun, why?
Current gun laws allow us to jail people for carrying guns without them having to kill anyone, unlike your society.
Outcast? So you make the rules on what dogs people have?
Do they have a say if you carry a gun?

And as for peaceful non violence you have already admitted to having fun beating people up for no reason at all.

[f450]

baffles you egh?

its called freedom of religion.human rights etc.

want done away with those?

this has nothing to do with what I said. You are free to do whatever the hell you want as long as it conforms fully to the expectations of the new society to which you are voluntarily emigrating. If you dont like the way things are done there, stay in your own damn country. Basically, dont go to another persons house and make demands and/or demand concessions. Stay in your own house and do as you please. These motherfuckers leave their countries, come over here,or there and start trying to change shit to suit them...again it baffles me that the government doesnt clamp down on this. I'm all for tolerance etc.. but if you chose to live in another country, be prepared to do as they do or else stay in your own country. This is really really simple shit.

[Radical Plato]

How by being able to get away with doing things that currently you cant?

You are an angry twisted soul.  

WTF do you mean By being able to get away with things I currently can't?  What I mean is, I would be able to judge the level of threat within my community and take appropriate defensive precautions.

You have already admitted you have trouble with authority figures, maybe you need keeping on a tight leash (like a pitbull)

No I didn't.  I have a problem with abuse of power.

You want to carry a gun, why?

I didn't necessarily suggest a gun, but in an anarchistic society, a gun may be a necessary item.  Once again, it is something that should be free for the individual to gauge.

Current gun laws allow us to jail people for carrying guns without them having to kill anyone, unlike your society.

I am unsure what the fuck you are even talking about with current gun laws.

Outcast? So you make the rules on what dogs people have?
Do they have a say if you carry a gun?

And no, there would be little to no rules, that's the point, a group would simply outcast someone who caused disunity through their actions, they could either choose being part of a cohesive co-operative group or they could simply leave.  The so called 'RULES' would be determined by the tone of the group.

And as for peaceful non violence you have already admitted to having fun beating people up for no reason at all.

And my comment about beating people up who believe that "They create their own reality" would be a compassionate act, it was merely to demonstrate the foolishness in someone believing they manifested their own beat-down with their own mind.  Relieving someone of such a dangerous delusion is the ultimate act of compassion.  

[ukjeff]

I didn't necessarily suggest a gun, but in an anarchistic society, a gun may be a necessary item.

I thought your idea of anarchy was peaceful cooperation?
Why would you need a gun or any weapon for that matter?

And no, there would be little to no rules, that's the point, a group would simply outcast someone who caused disunity through their actions, they could either choose being part of a cohesive co-operative group or they could simply leave. 

So they dont have to cause harm then?
They just have to not follow what everyone else does?

The so called 'RULES' would be determined by the tone of the group.

Who decides ultimately, do you have someone who makes the final decision.

And my comment about beating people up who believe that "They create their own reality" would be a compassionate act, it was merely to demonstrate the foolishness in someone believing they manifested their own beat-down with their own mind.  Relieving someone of such a dangerous delusion is the ultimate act of compassion.

Would you say that when you got brought before the mob for causing harm to someone?
Im sure your society would love you making a joke about an assault.

[Radical Plato]

I thought your idea of anarchy was peaceful cooperation?

It is, it doesn't mean that there won't be any threats.

Why would you need a gun or any weapon for that matter?So they dont have to cause harm then?

That's an easy one, some people may still harbour dangerous animals.  Not to mention wild animals.

They just have to not follow what everyone else does?Who decides ultimately, do you have someone who makes the final decision.

The group does.  I  am sure serious issues would have to be dealt with democratically.

Would you say that when you got brought before the mob for causing harm to someone?.  Im sure your society would love you making a joke about an assault.

I think they would prefer your joke about believing "You create your own reality".   It would be seen as the equivalent of a dentist causing his patient pain to fix his teeth.  I think once they see I relieved someone of a dangerous delusion they will show mercy.  I could simply argue using the victims logic, that he manifested the beatdown with his own mind.  hardly anything to do with me.  Once they realise the victim actually wanted to be beatdown and manifested it with his own mind, then only he can be held responsible.    If the victim didn't want to be beat-down all he had to do is NOT mind manifest such a reality.

[randy841]

You can shout, hold your breath, stomp your feet until you're blue in the face......doesn't change the fact that the U.S. is the center of the world.

We are inherently superior and have a better way of life than any of you.

That is a fact - your jealousy just reinforces it.

Who the fuck is "we"?  

You're an immigrant through your ancestry, unless you're native american.

You/we are all fuckin' immigrants at one time or another.

Now suddenly you're talking in the plural sense as if the sun revolves around you and the USA.

Fuck off with that rational!

[ukjeff]

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hat's an easy one, some people may still harbour dangerous animals.  Not to mention wild animals.

You have to let the dog thing go, its eating away at you?
What about the rights of the animals not to be harmed?
I take it you don't mind killing animals who's land you are trespassing on?

The group does.  I  am sure serious issues would have to be dealt with democratically.

Democratically?
So the group decides if Im a pain in the arse and throws me out?
Can I drive around drunk all the time and fire my gun randomly around outside a nursery school?
Remember, I have not caused anyone any harm yet.

I think they would prefer your joke about believing "You create your own reality".   It would be seen as the equivalent of a dentist causing his patient pain to fix his teeth.  I think once they see I relieved someone of a dangerous delusion they will show mercy.  I could simply argue using the victims logic, that he manifested the beatdown with his own mind.  hardly anything to do with me.  Once they realise the victim actually wanted to be beatdown and manifested it with his own mind, then only he can be held responsible.    If the victim didn't want to be beat-down all he had to do is NOT mind manifest such a reality.

So someones opinions are to be ridiculed in your little gang of thugs?
What about people with mental illnesses, will they be beat down and cast out?

Oh , and you could try a bit of tolerance, you know, the stuff you quoted earlier.

[deadpan]

ukjeff, you're clearly trolling

no one could possibly have an oversimplified interpretation of everything you read quite the way you seem to. he's just saying we need less government intervention in our lives. many libertarians in my country are self-described "anarchists", but they all believe in basic human rights like liberty and the pursuit of happines, but that extends to self defense and freedom from the government's oppressive actions too. there's varying degrees and principles of anarchy. you getting mad at him for calling the cops is like saying "oh you're a democrat, why aren't you an athiest pot-smoking tree-hugging communist hippie? omg contradiction!"  

[ukjeff]

ukjeff, you're clearly trolling

no one could possibly have an oversimplified interpretation of everything you read quite the way you seem to. he's just saying we need less government intervention in our lives. many libertarians in my country are self-described "anarchists", but they all believe in basic human rights like liberty and the pursuit of happines, but that extends to self defense and freedom from the government's oppressive actions too. there's varying degrees and principles of anarchy. you getting mad at him for calling the cops is like saying "oh you're a democrat, why aren't you an athiest pot-smoking tree-hugging communist hippie? omg contradiction!"  

Trolling? ya think?
Most libertarians want to have their cake and eat it.
They want their rules and fuck everyone who doesn't agree.

[HockeyFightFan]

So, has the great and ferocious "Darren Avey" hunted down this muslim horde and armbarred them to death yet?

 

[Radical Plato]

You have to let the dog thing go, its eating away at you?

I take potential threat seriously, other peoples companion animals will remain a threat in either a capitalist system or an anarchist one.

What about the rights of the animals not to be harmed?

What rights?

I take it you don't mind killing animals who's land you are trespassing on?Democratically?

LOL at trespassing, an anarchist system would have to do away with capitalism and private property.

So the group decides if Im a pain in the arse and throws me out?

YES

Can I drive around drunk all the time and fire my gun randomly around outside a nursery school?

You can try

Remember, I have not caused anyone any harm yet.So someones opinions are to be ridiculed in your little gang of thugs?

If their opinions threaten the stability of society. Yes they will be ridiculed, of course people would try and reason with you, but if you refused to reason, other tactics would have to be used.

What about people with mental illnesses, will they be beat down and cast out?

I don't actually believe in the traditional view of mental illness.  But what you refer to as mental illness is merely a side effect of the modern world.   As R.D laing once said "Insanity might be a sane reaction to an insane world.".  In a well functioning anarchist society, the types of problems that cause existential angst and concern would be decreased dramatically.

Oh , and you could try a bit of tolerance, you know, the stuff you quoted earlier.

You obviously failed to grasp the paradox of tolerance.  For a tolerant society to work, you simply can't afford to tolerate the Intolerant.

[Roger Bacon]

they are starting, even before this happened, the queen "adviced" the govt to do so.

cap on immigration and many more things about this matter.

the british immigration status has alot to do with their history.

many people from 3rd world nations are british since before the usa even existed.

it depends how one defines "british", this is open to huge debate.

Oh yeah, I understand that.  You know though, there has never been such an influx of people that were so vastly differentprimitive in their history.

[randy841]

She still should have taken more time to asses what had happened though.  She was lucky she wasn't hurt or killed.  But then again, I am hyper vigilant.  My experiences have led me to believe that we aren't as safe as we are told we are and we definitely aren't being protected.

You represent the epitome of internet age warriors. You talk big behind the keyboard, but are missing a pair in real life.

Instead of running away and hiding. you help your fellow man. I would have done the same (most of us would have) - whether that means running around after the scum bags with a crowbar or anything else that you can find.

[Griffith]

I'm a Libertarian.

I think it strikes a good balance with some of the freedom aspects of anarchism while having a smaller, limited state and allowing more local autonomy.

[Radical Plato]

ukjeff, you're clearly trolling

no one could possibly have an oversimplified interpretation of everything you read quite the way you seem to. he's just saying we need less government intervention in our lives. many libertarians in my country are self-described "anarchists", but they all believe in basic human rights like liberty and the pursuit of happines, but that extends to self defense and freedom from the government's oppressive actions too. there's varying degrees and principles of anarchy. you getting mad at him for calling the cops is like saying "oh you're a democrat, why aren't you an athiest pot-smoking tree-hugging communist hippie? omg contradiction!"  

Trolling? ya think?
Most libertarians want to have their cake and eat it.
They want their rules and fuck everyone who doesn't agree.

I admit, I am not an expert an anarchism by any stretch of the imagination.  I acknowledge that the current system is flawed (it simply doesn't work), and in my opinion, in need of more than a new coat of paint.  I think it needs to be scrapped and we start again.  I believe in exploring alternative options.  And it's obvious UKJEFF has an issue with me, but I don't care, I respond to people regardless.  I mean if they spin into just continual personal abuse and insults, I eventually disengage, I am not a masochist.  But I welcome a critical analysis, it is not always comfortable to be challenged, but it gives me the opportunity to deepen my understanding of my own self and ideas.  I don't take ukjeff too seriously though.  He honestly believes that our thoughts create our own reality.  Anybody who isn't able to dismiss that as absolute nonsense probably lacks any real critical thinking abilities.