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Re: Tesla Motors fully repays $465 million federal loan nine years early
« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2013, 07:41:49 PM »
Staring price is around $62,500. I for one would like to know how this is getting paid back. It's totally out of the price range for MOST people. But as the article states, it's the ONLY company out of 33 to pay it back. This is still a loss. I don't think you bothered to read beyond the headlines.

I wouldn't pay 62 cents for that car, especially when I have two cars that are already paid in full. I'll drive them until I'm literally doing the Flintstone-style propelling of those bad boys.

Did you just say only ONE out of 33 companies paid their loans back? I'm no rocket scientist but ain't that a mere THREE PERCENT? And, were these actual profits from actual consumers, or was this some scheme were another government entity paid off the loan to make it appear that Tesla is actually making money?

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Re: Tesla Motors fully repays $465 million federal loan nine years early
« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2013, 07:46:07 PM »
Staring price is around $62,500. I for one would like to know how this is getting paid back. It's totally out of the price range for MOST people. But as the article states, it's the ONLY company out of 33 to pay it back. This is still a loss. I don't think you bothered to read beyond the headlines.


Its a fully electric car and people are buying it along with solar and wind generators so they can have a vehicle that they never have to pay gas for.  With the warranties, that kind of money can make the purchase worth it as electric cars will last much longer than a petro vehicle. The car is also a very nice and luxurious drive as well
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Re: Tesla Motors fully repays $465 million federal loan nine years early
« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2013, 08:43:03 PM »

Its a fully electric car and people are buying it along with solar and wind generators so they can have a vehicle that they never have to pay gas for.  With the warranties, that kind of money can make the purchase worth it as electric cars will last much longer than a petro vehicle. The car is also a very nice and luxurious drive as well

Stick w the van w tints , running boards, plush dash cover, and rims.

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Re: Tesla Motors fully repays $465 million federal loan nine years early
« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2013, 05:39:40 AM »
I wouldn't pay 62 cents for that car, especially when I have two cars that are already paid in full. I'll drive them until I'm literally doing the Flintstone-style propelling of those bad boys.

Did you just say only ONE out of 33 companies paid their loans back? I'm no rocket scientist but ain't that a mere THREE PERCENT? And, were these actual profits from actual consumers, or was this some scheme were another government entity paid off the loan to make it appear that Tesla is actually making money?

But, I'm sure Necrosis and Blacken are still eager to break out the confetti and kazoos!!
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Re: Tesla Motors fully repays $465 million federal loan nine years early
« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2013, 10:22:48 AM »
your right, 100% success is required of course. Also, failing companies equate with the product they are selling.

You are stupid.

PIP, oil/gas etc will run out, it is dirty (see oil spill) and dangerous how am I not facing reality? The reality is one day we will need alternate fuel sources and the time will probably be long before the oil stores run out if the planet has anything to say about it.

Answer me this.

Is evolution correct?
Is global warming correct (the models)?



There are plenty of fossil fuels left, probably another solid 100 years or more, problem is new sources are harder to get to, harder to extract and harder to refine. Each new source will cost more per barrel to extract when compared to the light/sweet stuff that we got in the 20th century. The price floor is rising.

Batteries have their place, but they simply do not have the energy density needed (At this point) to properly compete with gasoline/fossil fuel powered engines. Tesla is a surprising story seeing as they were on their death bed until the Toyota tie-up and the release of hew models. 2 seaters, though, boutique cars that are expense cars...not really for general public consumption. That's fine, it's a niche and they fill it...did a better job than Fisker.

At this point, pure EV's like the Leaf and Spark are meant for urban cycles, city driving and such. That's fine.

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Re: Tesla Motors fully repays $465 million federal loan nine years early
« Reply #30 on: May 26, 2013, 02:13:19 PM »
Will never drive no car run on batteries.
and those damned 'horseless carriages' always a-scarin' the horses and upsetting the trolleys.
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Re: Tesla Motors fully repays $465 million federal loan nine years early
« Reply #31 on: May 26, 2013, 03:48:42 PM »
Poor thinking and willful ignorance is YOUR department. 30 years ago, treehuggers like you were weeping, wailing, and gnashing their teeth about the planet FREEZING. When that scam went south, Team Hug-a-Pine went on and on about the planet burning up. Of course, if you're in the midwest (and were buried in snow, smack-dab in the middle of May), that gibberish doesn't digest well.

Says the guy who believes in talking snakes and the ark. You do this a lot, avoid actually commenting on how stupid your argument is when exposed. You then will usually cite an example which is not central to the argument (cherry pick). Here you have chosen some nonsense about how people were wrong about one thing (planet freezing, not sure wtf you are getting on with) as if it invalidates this argument. If it's evolution you will bring up the peppered moths regardless of the points raised. You are ignorant.
And, you'll sound just as silly as you do now. Oil ain't running out anytime soon. In fact, our buddies in North Dakota are showing us the way. There are CENTURIES (at the very least) of oil at our disposal, just waiting to be used. And as technologies increase, we'll find other sources of oil. Energy-wise, we're fine.

Soon is relative, it's not my only argument but nice try.

That's the point that you and your tree-hugging brethren can't get through your heads. Or worse, YOU CAN GET THAT through your head. But, this mess is being used as a tool to bilk people out of their hard-earned money and precious freedom and land.

???

Of course, climates change, genius. They're called seasons, even in my home state of Florida. It gets hot; it get cold (or in some cases in Florida, less hot   ;D )

???

I didn't mention Al Gore, at least not by name. Although he's among the big kahunas of tree-hugging schysters that bilk folks like you, he's hardly the only one.

Whatever you say Mcway, the scientific community are in agreement here, 100'000 papers later the conlusion is still the same. You are the minority, with no evidence or data besides snow on your deck ::)



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Re: Tesla Motors fully repays $465 million federal loan nine years early
« Reply #32 on: May 26, 2013, 03:49:14 PM »
You're technically right, but as long as you and I are alive Oil is going to remain the big thing. 

it will until technology catches up.

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Re: Tesla Motors fully repays $465 million federal loan nine years early
« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2013, 09:35:50 PM »
Tesla is making money in its zero emissions credits. Without them, it would be a different song.
Fisker was "forced" to take more money than it really wanted. The Obama Admin wanted them to produce more cars---Fisker is a boutique manufacturer, and got over it's head.

Tesla is making money because they sell a great vehicle and are well positioned to capture a large share of a growing market. That's not to say they make a vehicle for everyone - there's no one-size fits all solution - but their product is really excellent and compares very favorably in its segment.

Internal combustion engines will be with us for a while but the simple fact is that electric motors offer tremendous advantages, including flat torque curves, reduced component sizes and significantly reduced maintenance requirements and moving parts when compared with internal combustion engines.

I don't fault Tesla for taking a loan from the DOE. If the terms of said load were more favorable than what they could get in the open market to not take it would have been a poor business decision and a disservice to their stockholders. I do applaud them for paying it off early and for having the balls and the determination to produce an innovative and great product.

On a personal note: I've driven the Model S - it is really quite excellent as a car. I currently drive a sports car and am contemplating a new vehicle in the next two years. I would consider an electric car, especially from Tesla if they keep producing vehicles like the Model S. And for the record, "environmental concerns" are pretty low on my list of considerations when deciding which car to buy.

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Re: Tesla Motors fully repays $465 million federal loan nine years early
« Reply #34 on: May 26, 2013, 09:57:24 PM »
i believe some on here were shitting on them  ;D

Source: San Jose Mercury News

In a huge boost for the Obama Administration and clean-energy firms, electric vehicle maker Tesla Motors (TSLA) announced Wednesday that it has paid back its $465 million government loan in full and nine years early.
 
The Department of Energy oversees $34 billion in taxpayer-funded loans for clean energy and other projects, but Tesla is the only United States car company in the vast portfolio of 33 projects to pay back its loan so far. The loan program faced fierce partisan fire in the wake of the high-profile 2011 bankruptcy of Fremont solar manufacturer Solyndra, and Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney called Tesla a "loser" in a presidential debate last fall.
 
"Tesla employs more than 3,000 American workers and is living proof of the power of American innovation," U.S. Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz said in a statement. "This is another important contribution to what the Obama Administration has done to preserve and promote America's auto industry. This announcement is also good news for the future of America's growing electric vehicle industry. While the market has taken longer than predicted to get going, sales of electric vehicles in the U.S. tripled last year and are continuing to increase rapidly in 2013. Tesla and other U.S. manufacturers are in a strong position to compete for this growing global market."
 
... Analysts said the move frees Tesla from the partisan politics that have shadowed federal government support for Silicon Valley clean energy companies.

Read more: http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_23300602/tesla-motors-fully-repays-465-million-federal-loan


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Re: Tesla Motors fully repays $465 million federal loan nine years early
« Reply #35 on: May 27, 2013, 02:34:51 AM »
Viable alternative energy solutions are still a long ways off. Batteries in hybrid vehicles have a severe environmental impact from the mining process for raw material, to international transit of materials to various processing facilities, and finally to disposal. Pure electric cars that require a plug-in still gets its energy off the power gride which often comprises of plants burning fossil fuels to provide said energy. Solar energy is nothing more than supplemental energy to a more viable main source. Wind farms have proven to be hugely inefficient as well as having a myriad of negative environmental impacts, from killing tens of thousands of birds to taking up precious, farmable land.

The personal automobile is disastrously inefficient in any form. The average vehicle weighs over four thousand pounds here in N.A, and transports not even a tenth of its weight. Throw in the massive infrastructure required for it(roads, materials, fuels, lubricants, businesses, regulations, etc) and you have huge amounts of material that, frankly, very few if any truly need.

The Prius, Nissan Leaf, and Chevy Volt crowds are no more saintly or environmentally concious than those that drive Camaros and SUVs. There is no "saving" the environment here, but merely a slick marketing campaign that has hugely succeeded in pushing these "Green" vehicles to the masses. These "green" vehicles also do not possess the powerplants necessary to power heavy vehicles within the trucking, construction, aeronautical and military industries.

Loans being paid back in advance aside, our government has absolutely no business in gambling with taxpayer money on a company whose business is selling six-figure luxury sports cars geared towards a tiny segment of the car-buying public. The administration got very lucky, as the Tesla experiment could have very easily slid into bankruptcy.

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Re: Tesla Motors fully repays $465 million federal loan nine years early
« Reply #36 on: May 27, 2013, 06:22:33 AM »
Viable alternative energy solutions are still a long ways off. Batteries in hybrid vehicles have a severe environmental impact from the mining process for raw material, to international transit of materials to various processing facilities, and finally to disposal. Pure electric cars that require a plug-in still gets its energy off the power gride which often comprises of plants burning fossil fuels to provide said energy. Solar energy is nothing more than supplemental energy to a more viable main source. Wind farms have proven to be hugely inefficient as well as having a myriad of negative environmental impacts, from killing tens of thousands of birds to taking up precious, farmable land.

The personal automobile is disastrously inefficient in any form. The average vehicle weighs over four thousand pounds here in N.A, and transports not even a tenth of its weight. Throw in the massive infrastructure required for it(roads, materials, fuels, lubricants, businesses, regulations, etc) and you have huge amounts of material that, frankly, very few if any truly need.

The Prius, Nissan Leaf, and Chevy Volt crowds are no more saintly or environmentally concious than those that drive Camaros and SUVs. There is no "saving" the environment here, but merely a slick marketing campaign that has hugely succeeded in pushing these "Green" vehicles to the masses. These "green" vehicles also do not possess the powerplants necessary to power heavy vehicles within the trucking, construction, aeronautical and military industries.

Loans being paid back in advance aside, our government has absolutely no business in gambling with taxpayer money on a company whose business is selling six-figure luxury sports cars geared towards a tiny segment of the car-buying public. The administration got very lucky, as the Tesla experiment could have very easily slid into bankruptcy.

GLOBAL WARMING!!!!

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Re: Tesla Motors fully repays $465 million federal loan nine years early
« Reply #37 on: May 27, 2013, 06:54:29 AM »
1 out of 33 and the leftist psychotics are declaring victory for a car 99% of the population will never buy or use.   Typical. 

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Re: Tesla Motors fully repays $465 million federal loan nine years early
« Reply #38 on: May 27, 2013, 07:01:08 AM »
GLOBAL WARMING!!!!

It's called "Climate Change," now.

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Re: Tesla Motors fully repays $465 million federal loan nine years early
« Reply #39 on: May 27, 2013, 02:56:12 PM »
1 out of 33 and the leftist psychotics are declaring victory for a car 99% of the population will never buy or use.   Typical. 
it's a start.
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Re: Tesla Motors fully repays $465 million federal loan nine years early
« Reply #40 on: May 27, 2013, 03:01:18 PM »
1 out of 33 and the leftist psychotics are declaring victory for a car 99% of the population will never buy or use.   Typical. 

I think Tesla's achievements are impressive - here is a *practical* electric car with great build quality, great design. I don't know that I'd call it a victory as such, although it's certainly proven many people wrong, not do I think that the price tag should count against it. Cell phones were ridiculously expensive at one time too. So we're computers. And cars. And so on and so forth.

First steps usually are expensive.

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Re: Tesla Motors fully repays $465 million federal loan nine years early
« Reply #41 on: May 27, 2013, 03:07:20 PM »


You're one to talk. As usual, when your tree-hugging bilge gets taken apart, you yap about the Ark and other stuff (in a pathetic attempt to take potshots at me) to hide your weak arguments.

I'm not cherry-picking jack. I'm making the point that Hug-a-Pine alarmists like you are always spewing this silliness, to separate people from their money and freedom and advance their left-winged agenda.

30 years ago, we were all going to freeze to death. Now, we're going to fry. What's the excuse going to be next time? In fact, more and more lefty leaf-lovers are going more and more perplex because their so-called models are collapsing on their faces, while hurling plenty of egg on yours.

And spare me the "scientific community is in agreement" flap. The "scientific community" was in agreement with the world being flat. They were in agreement with spontaneous generation being a tenet of evolution. They were in agreement with turning lead into gold. When I was a kid, the "scientific community" said there were NINE planets in our solar system. Now, the consensus is that there are just EIGHT (Pluto got disqualified as being a planet, for some reason).


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Re: Tesla Motors fully repays $465 million federal loan nine years early
« Reply #42 on: May 27, 2013, 03:09:53 PM »
I think Tesla's achievements are impressive - here is a *practical* electric car with great build quality, great design. I don't know that I'd call it a victory as such, although it's certainly proven many people wrong, not do I think that the price tag should count against it. Cell phones were ridiculously expensive at one time too. So we're computers. And cars. And so on and so forth.

First steps usually are expensive.

Remember the Radio Shack TRS-80 computer? My grade school had that. We upgraded to Commodore VIC 20, then Commodore 64, then the 128.

And, back in the day, I only knew a handful of people with cellphones. And they had those big Zack-Morris-Saved-By-The-Bell deals, the size of a quart of milk.

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Re: Tesla Motors fully repays $465 million federal loan nine years early
« Reply #43 on: May 27, 2013, 05:24:14 PM »
If true, I am very happy the one company isn't raping the tax payer.

But, with that said, does anyone on this board own a Tesla?

Does anyone on this board know anyone who owns a Tesla?

Has anyone on this board ever seen a Tesla dealership anywhere?

Just asking, because I live in NYC and my answer to all three questions above is an emphatic 'no'.

Again, not hating on the company or the car itself-- they actually look pretty cool. But at the end of the day, I'm not sure this story is all that significant.

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Re: Tesla Motors fully repays $465 million federal loan nine years early
« Reply #44 on: May 27, 2013, 05:34:51 PM »
You're one to talk. As usual, when your tree-hugging bilge gets taken apart, you yap about the Ark and other stuff (in a pathetic attempt to take potshots at me) to hide your weak arguments.

I'm not cherry-picking jack. I'm making the point that Hug-a-Pine alarmists like you are always spewing this silliness, to separate people from their money and freedom and advance their left-winged agenda.

30 years ago, we were all going to freeze to death. Now, we're going to fry. What's the excuse going to be next time? In fact, more and more lefty leaf-lovers are going more and more perplex because their so-called models are collapsing on their faces, while hurling plenty of egg on yours.

And spare me the "scientific community is in agreement" flap. The "scientific community" was in agreement with the world being flat. They were in agreement with spontaneous generation being a tenet of evolution. They were in agreement with turning lead into gold. When I was a kid, the "scientific community" said there were NINE planets in our solar system. Now, the consensus is that there are just EIGHT (Pluto got disqualified as being a planet, for some reason).



besides the retarded examples you cite, you seem to think that science in medevil ages was the same as widely shared peer reviewed research. Please spare me the fundy rant, you didn't even address my arguments so why would my rebuttal be anything but a mirror of your shitty post.

you seem to think that not know every detail is a flaw, science is how we decipher facts, it is simply observation and experimentation at it's core, observation could really explain it if need be.

The spontaneous generation thing is silly, parts of evolution are debated today, like punctuated equilibrium, does that mean other facts in evolution are incorrect? no. read a book besides the bible.

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Re: Tesla Motors fully repays $465 million federal loan nine years early
« Reply #45 on: May 27, 2013, 06:03:31 PM »


Just asking, because I live in NYC and my answer to all three questions above is an emphatic 'no'.


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Re: Tesla Motors fully repays $465 million federal loan nine years early
« Reply #46 on: May 27, 2013, 06:08:15 PM »
1 out of 33 and they're going to exploit this story to no end. Lets talk about how Obama thinks GM is a success because of the "bailout" when in reality they still own bond holders $25bil. Hello, is this thing on?

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« Reply #47 on: May 27, 2013, 06:56:58 PM »
besides the retarded examples you cite, you seem to think that science in medevil ages was the same as widely shared peer reviewed research. Please spare me the fundy rant, you didn't even address my arguments so why would my rebuttal be anything but a mirror of your shitty post.

you seem to think that not know every detail is a flaw, science is how we decipher facts, it is simply observation and experimentation at it's core, observation could really explain it if need be.

The spontaneous generation thing is silly, parts of evolution are debated today, like punctuated equilibrium, does that mean other facts in evolution are incorrect? no. read a book besides the bible.

Of course, spontaneous generation is silly.....NOW!!! Back in the day, it was gospel. And numbskulls like you would have parroted that, hook, line, and sinker.

BTW, I read other books besides the Bible, which makes taking your tree-hugging tripe apart that much easier. Of course, like other folk here, you want to take shots at my religious beliefs which have ZILCH to do with the subject at hand, when your feeble arguments get burned to the ground.

30 years ago, "peer-reviewed research" swore before God and four other white people that we were going to be human popsicles. Now, some of those same quacks are claiming we're going to be Texas barbecue, if we don't give up more money to the government, reject fossil fuels (or pay $5+ per gallon for such), and start driving stupid-looking cars, made of tin foil and run on batteries or cooking oil....that is, IF we actually keep driving at all.

All of this is out of fear of running out of fossil fuels, when the reality is that your great-great-great grandchildren won't even exhaust close to half of our planet's fossil fuel resources. Plus, the technology exists to make sure such is extracted while keeping our planet clean.

And now you and your fellow libs want to do the happy dance and break out the bubbly, simply because 1 out of 33 companies that got bailed out actually paid their loan back.

Get a grip and a clue. Even in this Obama economy, they ain't that expensive.


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« Reply #48 on: May 27, 2013, 06:58:52 PM »
Where in Wp?   My office is in WP and i have no idea where Tesla is


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« Reply #49 on: May 27, 2013, 07:11:50 PM »
Where in Wp?   My office is in WP and i have no idea where Tesla is

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