Trayvon Martin - Gun, Drugs, Fighting

[tonymctones]

What are your comments on her testimony, Tony?

I dont think she is particularly credible, she is obviously biased.

Her version of the events have changed multiple times etc.

She says that cracker isnt a racist term........

[240 is Back]

it's just like a lot of things on getbig.  everyone celebrates at halftime.  Remmeber how bad obama was losing in polls after that dismal 1st debate performance?

Remember when obamacare was officially dead?  We all get predictions wrong, of course.  it's the nature of predicting.  If anyone here could get things right just 51% of the time, they'd be millionaires on wall street in a week

I still predict that everyone is celebrating a little early.  That 911 tape - along with the compelling, emotional speech by the kevin costner-voiced handsom prosecutor, just might get the 6 swooning female jurors to realize 1) zimmerman probably started shit, 2) ZImmerman can't use self-defense for a fight he started

And they might find him guilty.  I still think they will.  NO matter what fatass said on the phone, no matter what anyone said - they'll realize zimmerman was chasing, and trayvon was running.  

[tonymctones]

trayvon stopped running and confronted zimmerman 240...havent you been paying attention?

I agree zimmermans dumb ass is still a long way from being free though

[Shockwave]

it's just like a lot of things on getbig.  everyone celebrates at halftime.  Remmeber how bad obama was losing in polls after that dismal 1st debate performance?

Remember when obamacare was officially dead?  We all get predictions wrong, of course.  it's the nature of predicting.  If anyone here could get things right just 51% of the time, they'd be millionaires on wall street in a week

I still predict that everyone is celebrating a little early.  That 911 tape - along with the compelling, emotional speech by the kevin costner-voiced handsom prosecutor, just might get the 6 swooning female jurors to realize 1) zimmerman probably started shit, 2) ZImmerman can't use self-defense for a fight he started

And they might find him guilty.  I still think they will.  NO matter what fatass said on the phone, no matter what anyone said - they'll realize zimmerman was chasing, and trayvon was running.  

No one is celebrating yet, were just pointing how dumb those statements you made ( many of which you tried to pass off as facts) sound now that the facts are starting to come out. Zimmerman may still fry, but whatever happens to him, you still look like an idiot.

[240 is Back]

No one is celebrating yet, were just pointing how dumb those statements you made ( many of which you tried to pass off as facts) sound now that the facts are starting to come out. Zimmerman may still fry, but whatever happens to him, you still look like an idiot.

listen, dude, for the 99999th time.... please stop taking my predictions, guesses, beliefs as "PASSING OFF AS FACTS".   We SPECULATE on getbig.  That's it.  Both the prosecution and defense put out some info, both held info, both told lies, and had 'accidental mis-statements'.   

We all listened to zimm's 911 call.  We all made predictions what would happen in this case, and what we THINK happened.   I guess when someone says "Oh, zimmermas was totally pissed" or "Oh, trayvon totally started it", we don't always preface it with "It is my personal belief based upon speculation that..."

But that's what it is.   We all predict Miami will outlast spurs or Spurs will defeat Heat.  We do this without "facts".  Wiggs can say "Your Heat suck, they're going to lose tonight!"  I don't take it "as fact".  Dude's just guessing, just like me.  that's all we're doing.  I don't know anything about this case "As fact".  I have my predctions, that it.

[tonymctones]

listen, dude, for the 99999th time.... please stop taking my predictions, guesses, beliefs as "PASSING OFF AS FACTS".   We SPECULATE on getbig.  That's it.  Both the prosecution and defense put out some info, both held info, both told lies, and had 'accidental mis-statements'.   

We all listened to zimm's 911 call.  We all made predictions what would happen in this case, and what we THINK happened.   I guess when someone says "Oh, zimmermas was totally pissed" or "Oh, trayvon totally started it", we don't always preface it with "It is my personal belief based upon speculation that..."

But that's what it is.   We all predict Miami will outlast spurs or Spurs will defeat Heat.  We do this without "facts".  Wiggs can say "Your Heat suck, they're going to lose tonight!"  I don't take it "as fact".  Dude's just guessing, just like me.  that's all we're doing.  I don't know anything about this case "As fact".  I have my predctions, that it.

lol fuck off moron, you tried to pass off your bull shit as facts at every turn

[tonymctones]

now that your bull shit is being laid to bed youre back tracking

[Archer77]

I'll see you emotional ladies soon.

 

Tbombz?

[Jack T. Cross]

Those that say Zimmerman should have been charged with Manslaughter instead of Murder-in-the-2nd, are saying that he did not reveal a lack of moral regard for life as he created the situation.  Is that a fair statement?

By the way, I'm here to learn, just like everyone else.  Guys that go into nuclear meltdown while being unable to argue (hi, Shockwave), please show some respect for the discussion.

[Jack T. Cross]

lol..240 should write a book on owning minds.

[tonymctones]

Those that say Zimmerman should have been charged with Manslaughter instead of Murder-in-the-2nd, are saying that he did not reveal a lack of moral regard for life as he created the situation.  Is that a fair statement?

By the way, I'm here to learn, just like everyone else.  Guys that go into nuclear meltdown while being unable to argue (hi, Shockwave), please show some respect for the discussion.

you dont want a discussion, you hop from one ignorant biased opinion to the next never answering any questions just posing ones of your own and then complaining when others dont give you the answer you want

[tu_holmes]

Those that say Zimmerman should have been charged with Manslaughter instead of Murder-in-the-2nd, are saying that he did not reveal a lack of moral regard for life as he created the situation.  Is that a fair statement?

What about the encounter shows a lack of moral regard for life?

[Jack T. Cross]

you dont want a discussion, you hop from one ignorant biased opinion to the next never answering any questions just posing ones of your own and then complaining when others dont give you the answer you want

I want an answer, period.  Preferably one that tells me the person has actually read the question.

[Soul Crusher]

Zimm said tray on attacked him first physically.   Explains how he got the broken nose and ended up on the bottom.   

[Archer77]

I want an answer, period.  Preferably one that tells me the person has actually read the question.

I told you multiple times that Zimmerman did not use his weapon because he felt the situation did not warranted it and he didnt want the hassle of explaining why he drew his gun without cause.  This is a valid answer but you refused to accept it.  Then you tell us the answer you were looking for is essentially the same as my reply except in your scenario Zimmerman was afraid of a potential lawsuit.     Again, are you tbombz?

[Jack T. Cross]

What about the encounter shows a lack of moral regard for life?

That's what I'd like to get into further.  Once again, I'm trying to learn...so no trouble here between us, at all.

Would you say that Zimmerman, by allowing himself to physically travel toward a situation that he had good reason to believe may result in conflict, and doing do while armed, showed a lack of proper moral regard for the lives of anyone that may be subjected to danger?

[Archer77]

That's what I'd like to get into further.  Once again, I'm trying to learn...so no trouble here between us, at all.

Would you say that Zimmerman, by allowing himself to physically travel toward a situation that he had good reason to believe may result in conflict, and doing do while armed, showed a lack of proper moral regard for the lives of anyone that may be subjected to danger?

The fact that he choose to pursue is greater evidence for Zimmerman not believing the situation would result in violence.

[240 is Back]

Zimm said tray on attacked him first physically.   Explains how he got the broken nose and ended up on the bottom.  

zimm said a lot of things that day - which turned out to be not true, remember?

physical evidence, 911 call, his testimony inconsistencies... well, maybe we should be using a little more than "Ol george told us, standing over the dead body, that the other guy started it".


I mean, seriously 33, if Trayvon was chasing zimmerman thru the rainy night with a 9mm... and they fought... and zimm got the upper hand, and trayvon capped him, I think trayvon would be the LEAST CREDIBLE person to ask who started that fight   I guess I don't understand how so many people can realize there are NO WITNESSES as to who started the fight - except zimmerman - and just call it a fact.  it's not.  It's his claim to keep his ass outta prison.

[240 is Back]

Would you say that Zimmerman, by allowing himself to physically travel toward a situation that he had good reason to believe may result in conflict, and doing do while armed, showed a lack of proper moral regard for the lives of anyone that may be subjected to danger?

zimmerman said to the 911 operator that he thought trayvon was on drugs.  Then he said trayvon was reaching into his waistband for something - possibly implying a weapon was in play.  These things sure got the 911 operator to send police faster.  I mean, the truth was that he was a skinnytwink kid on the phone, waiting out the rain under a community awning. 

BUT

If zimmerman really believed he was facing a person on drugs - possibly with "something in his waistband" - why in the world would he jump outta his truck with a 9mm and CHASE AFTER HIM?  I mean, in what world do you see a possibly armed junkie, and you can't wait 60 seconds for police to get there - you have to confront the person?  WTF is that?  WHO DOES THAT?

So either he wanted an armed showdown with a junkie, or he was exaggerating more shit to the 911 operator. 

[Jack T. Cross]

BTW, would a nose that looked like Zimmerman's be consistent with the full pressure of a knee on his face?

[Archer77]

zimm said a lot of things that day - which turned out to be not true, remember?

physical evidence, 911 call, his testimony inconsistencies... well, maybe we should be using a little more than "Ol george told us, standing over the dead body, that the other guy started it".


I mean, seriously 33, if Trayvon was chasing zimmerman thru the rainy night with a 9mm... and they fought... and zimm got the upper hand, and trayvon capped him, I think trayvon would be the LEAST CREDIBLE person to ask who started that fight   I guess I don't understand how so many people can realize there are NO WITNESSES as to who started the fight - except zimmerman - and just call it a fact.  it's not.  It's his claim to keep his ass outta prison.

You're scenario is less likely for several reasons.  Where's the evidence Zimmerman was chasing Martin and Martin was running?  A witness saw Martin on top and it was Zimmerman screaming for help.  This leads me to believe Martin was unaware Zimmerman had a gun until after the scuffle began.

Do you think Martin would have engage in a scuffle with an armed man, especially as frightened as you claim he was?  If Zimmerman had no qualms about shooting Martin why did he wait until the scuffle began?  What this tells us is that the distance between the two was small and Zimmerman didnt have his gun out.  

[Soul Crusher]

Nonsense.   The police video taken the next day is exactly what the witness said.

zimm said a lot of things that day - which turned out to be not true, remember?

physical evidence, 911 call, his testimony inconsistencies... well, maybe we should be using a little more than "Ol george told us, standing over the dead body, that the other guy started it".


I mean, seriously 33, if Trayvon was chasing zimmerman thru the rainy night with a 9mm... and they fought... and zimm got the upper hand, and trayvon capped him, I think trayvon would be the LEAST CREDIBLE person to ask who started that fight   I guess I don't understand how so many people can realize there are NO WITNESSES as to who started the fight - except zimmerman - and just call it a fact.  it's not.  It's his claim to keep his ass outta prison.

[Soul Crusher]

You're scenario is less likely for several reasons.  Where's the evidence Zimmerman was chasing Martin and Martin was running?  A witness saw Martin on top and it was Zimmerman screaming for help.  This leads me to believe Martin was unaware Zimmerman had a gun until after the scuffle began.

Do you think Martin would have engage in a scuffle with an armed man, especially as frightened as you claim he was?  If Zimmerman had no qualms about shooting Martin why did he wait until the scuffle began?  What this tells us is that the distance between the two was small and Zimmerman didnt have his gun out.  

Good post.

[240 is Back]

You're scenario is less likely for several reasons.  Where's the evidence Zimmerman was chasing Martin and Martin was running?

Zimmerman said trayvon was running away- his own words.  We can hear zimmerman panting like a mofo and plenty of fast shuffling on the 911 tape.  He was running too.  Listen to the recording.   "Are you following him?"  "YES".   So that's the evidence zimm was chasing him.

Do you think Martin would have engage in a scuffle with an armed man, especially as frightened as you claim he was?    

What would you do if an armed man chased you two blocks, then got in your very close space?  ME?  I'm taking that @#*&^* GUN from him.  Period.  I'm scared for my life. I've been chased, flanked, and intercepted.  It's raining and I figure I"m a dead man.  I fear for my life.  Maybe some would freeze, put their hands up and pray he only wanted to rob or question them.  Nope - when you chase someone - particularly a minor - two blocks with a gun, they're scared shitless.  


Also, even WITHOUT knowledge of the gym - Trayvon was prefercly reasonable to feel scared of a man 10 years older, 30 pounds bigger, hopping out of a car and starting chasing him.  That'd scared me.  Seriously, someone exits their car, chases you, then cuts thru buildings to intercept you - you aren't scared?  I'm fcking terrified.  It's not "Hello good sir, how may I help you"?    No, it's serious shit time.

[Soul Crusher]

Zimmerman said trayvon was running away- his own words.  We can hear zimmerman panting like a mofo and plenty of fast shuffling on the 911 tape.  He was running too.  Listen to the recording.   "Are you following him?"  "YES".   So that's the evidence zimm was chasing him.

What would you do if an armed man chased you two blocks, then got in your very close space?  ME?  I'm taking that @#*&^* GUN from him.  Period.  I'm scared for my life. I've been chased, flanked, and intercepted.  It's raining and I figure I"m a dead man.  I fear for my life.  Maybe some would freeze, put their hands up and pray he only wanted to rob or question them.  Nope - when you chase someone - particularly a minor - two blocks with a gun, they're scared shitless.  


Also, even WITHOUT knowledge of the gym - Trayvon was prefercly reasonable to feel scared of a man 10 years older, 30 pounds bigger, hopping out of a car and starting chasing him.  That'd scared me.  Seriously, someone exits their car, chases you, then cuts thru buildings to intercept you - you aren't scared?  I'm fcking terrified.  It's not "Hello good sir, how may I help you"?    No, it's serious shit time.

Lmfao.    You should go into screen writing