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Re: Trayvon Martin - Gun, Drugs, Fighting
« Reply #950 on: June 30, 2013, 02:34:52 PM »
How old are you cross? Let me guess you're a college student?

Thats exactly what I suspected.
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Re: Trayvon Martin - Gun, Drugs, Fighting
« Reply #951 on: June 30, 2013, 02:39:41 PM »
Who thinks he shouldn't even be on trial right now?


For murder ?  I don't

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Re: Trayvon Martin - Gun, Drugs, Fighting
« Reply #952 on: June 30, 2013, 02:58:33 PM »
Thats exactly what I suspected.

And in some incredibly shitty philosophy class he had to make up this summer.

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« Reply #953 on: June 30, 2013, 03:06:11 PM »
And in some incredibly shitty philosophy class he had to make up this summer.

Thats why I thought Jack might be tbombz
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« Reply #954 on: June 30, 2013, 03:14:45 PM »
You absolutely were NOT aware of this level of detail, Tony.  So why was your initial reaction to try and pretend that you were?  I know you won't answer that, but I want you to think about it.

How old are you cross? Let me guess you're a college student?

Gee, Tony, if I offer personal details such as age or whether I'm a college student, do you promise not use it as a distraction in future arguments?

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« Reply #955 on: June 30, 2013, 03:15:38 PM »
Thats why I thought Jack might be tbombz

There was another guy that used to be active here that posted similar to this guy but he didn't use the leading the witness approach quite as blatantly.   Can't rule out tbombz completely but tbombz might make more sense than this guy if that possible.:D

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« Reply #956 on: June 30, 2013, 03:17:11 PM »
Archer, I actually had you in mind when I posted that, as you're trying to jump into a thread without having the slightest clue of the most basic facts.

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Re: Trayvon Martin - Gun, Drugs, Fighting
« Reply #957 on: June 30, 2013, 03:18:42 PM »

For murder ?  I don't

Nor do I.

Manslaughter. Yes.

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Re: Trayvon Martin - Gun, Drugs, Fighting
« Reply #958 on: June 30, 2013, 03:19:14 PM »
Don't know who this foreskin person is, but he seems to be quite interested in me.

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Re: Trayvon Martin - Gun, Drugs, Fighting
« Reply #959 on: June 30, 2013, 03:20:11 PM »
...could he be a gimmick of Archer?

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« Reply #960 on: June 30, 2013, 03:21:04 PM »
Archer, just learn the shit before you start running off.  That way you don't have to get mad at people.

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Re: Trayvon Martin - Gun, Drugs, Fighting
« Reply #961 on: June 30, 2013, 03:22:32 PM »
You absolutely were NOT aware of this level of detail, Tony.  So why was your initial reaction to try and pretend that you were?  I know you won't answer that, but I want you to think about it.



Yes tony you take some time to think about it. You hear?>:(


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Re: Trayvon Martin - Gun, Drugs, Fighting
« Reply #962 on: June 30, 2013, 03:33:34 PM »
Don't know who this foreskin person is, but he seems to be quite interested in me.

:-*

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« Reply #963 on: June 30, 2013, 03:43:54 PM »
:-*

He mentioned foreskin so it might be tbombz.  And I was in this thread before, jack.   I don't have a gimmick.
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Re: Trayvon Martin - Gun, Drugs, Fighting
« Reply #964 on: June 30, 2013, 03:59:43 PM »
You absolutely were NOT aware of this level of detail, Tony.  So why was your initial reaction to try and pretend that you were?  I know you won't answer that, but I want you to think about it.

Gee, Tony, if I offer personal details such as age or whether I'm a college student, do you promise not use it as a distraction in future arguments?
please point to one thing I have said that has not been factually correct about this case....

so youre a young college student, just what I thought

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Re: Trayvon Martin - Gun, Drugs, Fighting
« Reply #965 on: June 30, 2013, 04:28:40 PM »
You weren't familiar with this depth of detail, Tony.  So why try to suggest that you were?  WHY was your reaction to do that?

(If you don't want to answer, then don't.)

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Re: Trayvon Martin - Gun, Drugs, Fighting
« Reply #966 on: June 30, 2013, 08:41:47 PM »
http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/zimmerman-audio-interview-with-sanford-pd-on-feb/vcQzm/

Listen to ZImmerman's interview with police.  Right after the shooting.  You'lll understand why the lead investigator wanted to charge him with murder.

Listen to this and tell me you truly believe him.  He's making it up as he goes, seriously.  He keeps changing his answers... PLEASE listen to this if you believe zimm is a credible person. 



http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/zimmerman-audio-interview-with-sanford-pd-on-feb/vcQzm/

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Re: Trayvon Martin - Gun, Drugs, Fighting
« Reply #967 on: June 30, 2013, 09:25:08 PM »
http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/zimmerman-audio-interview-with-sanford-pd-on-feb/vcQzm/

Listen to ZImmerman's interview with police.  Right after the shooting.  You'lll understand why the lead investigator wanted to charge him with murder.

Listen to this and tell me you truly believe him.  He's making it up as he goes, seriously.  He keeps changing his answers... PLEASE listen to this if you believe zimm is a credible person.  



http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/zimmerman-audio-interview-with-sanford-pd-on-feb/vcQzm/


at 9:42, he is confronted with a lie he told to the police in an earlier interview.  He keeps changing why he got out of the car.  

at 10:54, he claims he is walking back to his car.   ZImm admits he is standing at a point closer to his vehicle than where trayvon was shot.  This is physically impossible, unless zimmerman dragged him 300 feet during the fight LOL.

84 seconds from the point he decides to walk back to his car.  
ZIMM ADMITS HE DIDN"T GET BACK IN HIS CAR NOW.

HE ADMITS he STOPPED because he didn't have a flashlight.

He ADMITS he can't account for those 84 seconds.   At 13:30, this is where the cop busts him and punches a hole in his story.  THIS is the smoking gun that I think we'll hear from prosecution.  

At 14:25, Zimmerman admits he was following trayvon.  Then claims he wasn't following him.   PLEASE listen to this - the 2 cops are shocked at his BS story.


At 15:10, cops accus him of trying to CATCH TRAYVON and that's why he took the flashlight.  TRYING TO CATCH HIM.  

Listen to him at 15:55... totally caught.  Totally making it up on the fly.  Your bullshit detectors shoudl be going off!!!!!!  LOL  the cops sure don't buy it.

at 16:45, Zimmerman hears a 911 call.  at 17:45 he claims he is being smothered - WHILE AT THE SAME TIME HE IS SCREAMING.  That's kinda physically impossible.

The cop busts him at 18:20... zimmerman screams for a solid 25 seconds straight... there is no smothering - yet zimm keeps saying 'oh yeah, he was smothering me'.

"At what point did you fear suffocation"?   LMAO

At 19:20, the cop reminds zimm that NOBODY saw him being smothered.  Nobody can scream while being smothered.  "is he whisppering these threats to you?"

"Trayvon keeps saying all these things about killing me" - yet the recordings can't hear it lol.



I ask anyone who believes zimmerman to listen to this tape - this interview with police.  He's bullshitting them.  

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Re: Trayvon Martin - Gun, Drugs, Fighting
« Reply #968 on: July 01, 2013, 12:44:31 PM »
Brothers, this is some information.  It is from Wikipedia, so it is whatever it is.  I haven't read it yet, so if you see something you know is wrong, please don't blame me - just point it out.

Thought maybe we could kindle some new, different arguments:


Why the heck are you posting a friggin encyclopedia you haven't even read and asking people to comment on it? 

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« Reply #969 on: July 01, 2013, 12:45:38 PM »
Are you claiming to have been familiar with this level of detail, Tony?




Yes, tony.  Are you familiar with "this level of detail" that Jack didn't even read? 

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Re: Trayvon Martin - Gun, Drugs, Fighting
« Reply #970 on: July 01, 2013, 12:46:02 PM »
Who thinks he shouldn't even be on trial right now?

Me.

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Re: Trayvon Martin - Gun, Drugs, Fighting
« Reply #971 on: July 01, 2013, 12:47:24 PM »
I listened to his interviews.  He is consistent in every aspect on everything that matters. 

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Re: Trayvon Martin - Gun, Drugs, Fighting
« Reply #972 on: July 01, 2013, 02:46:48 PM »
Detective recounts somber Zimmerman citing his faith, fear after Martin shooting
By Perry Chiaramonte, Serafin Gomez
Published July 01, 2013
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The Sanford police detective who questioned George Zimmerman the night he shot Trayvon Martin became the latest prosecution witness to appear to do more harm than good to the state's case, recalling a somber conversation that touched on Zimmerman's faith and the fear he said he felt when Martin told him "You're going to die tonight."

Detective Doris Singleton testified Monday that Zimmerman seemed somber and conflicted as she interviewed him after the February 2012 shooting. She said Zimmerman asked her about the crucifix around her neck and buried his head in his hands upon learning Martin had died.

"I had a silver cross on and he asked me if I was Catholic," Singleton said during testimony. "I said, 'No. I'm Christian. Why are you asking?'"

She said Zimmerman replied, saying that he had noticed the cross and told Singleton that it was "always wrong to kill" someone.

"I said to him, 'If what you're telling me is true then I don't think that's what God meant. [That] you couldn't save your own life,'" she told the court.

Singleton testified that a shocked Zimmerman replied, "He's dead?" to which she said, "I thought you knew that."

Assistant Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda appeared frustrated at times by the prosecution witness' testimony, which, like previous witnesses put on by the state, at times seemed to put Zimmerman in a sympathetic light. Several times, De La Rionda turned his back on the witness stand and looked to his co-counsel, almost in frustration.

Audiotape of Singleton, who did not respond to the crime scene, was played in court. On it, Zimmerman stated that Martin seemed suspicious because he was, "taking his time, and looking at all the houses" while Zimmerman was patrolling the gated community. Zimmerman said Martin "jumped out" at him from the bushes and said, "What the f--- is your problem, homey?" The defendant claimed on the tape that he responded by saying that he didn't have a problem, to which Martin responded by saying, "Now you have a problem," and punched him in the nose.

Zimmerman said on the tape that the strike caused him to fall to the ground and Martin got on top of him and started to throw more punches.

"He was whaling on my head and I was yelling for help," Zimmerman can be heard saying to Singleton on the tape. "He put his hands on my nose and said, 'You're going to die tonight.'"

He added that he thought Martin was going for his gun, before he pulled on it and shot the young man.

Zimmerman also said that he started the neighborhood watch after a break-in at his home, and others had made him nervous and that since he started patrols, he saw a few suspicious people in the neighborhood.

The testimony came as the prosecution began the second week of testimony in Zimmerman's murder trial with a voice analyst who said it was "impossible to determine" the age of the person who was heard screaming on the 911 call.

Hirotaka Nakasone, an FBI audio voice analyst who examined eight audio recordings related to the February 2012 shooting of Trayvon Martin, said he was unable to identify or even peg an age to the person whose screams were heard on the tape. He said the pitch of one's voice goes "all over the place" under extreme stress.

It "was not possible to determine" the age of the person who was screaming, for approximately 2.5 seconds, he said under questioning from assistant prosecutor Richard Mantei. "Guessing age is a little complicated."

The issue is critical, because Zimmerman claims to have acted in self-defense when he shot the 17-year-old Martin. Determining who was doing the screaming could go a long way toward bolstering -- or undermining -- his defense. Prior to testimony beginning in the case, the prosecution had tried to block Nakasone in a Frye hearing, as they sought in vain to admit audio experts that said the voice was Martin's.

On cross-examination by defense attorney Don West, Nakasone said people who harbor preconceptions or "a bias" prior to hearing a recording could make a mistake in identifying the speaker.

"There is always that danger," Nakasone said.

During re-direct questioning by the prosecution, Nakasone stated that he had advised the Tampa Field Office of the FBI not to attempt a re-enactment because of too many variables that could have affected the results.

Former lead investigator for the Sanford Police, Christopher Serino also took the stand Monday afternoon , when a series of audio and video recordings were played for the court.

One was of an interview conducted with Zimmerman at the police station in which Serino raised the possibility of racial profiling by asking him, "had this person been white, would you have felt the same way?" Zimmerman replied, "Yes."

Zimmerman also said in the interview "I prayed to god someone would videotape it," referring to the scuffle that led to Martin's death.

In the Singleton tape, she asked why Zimmerman did not identify himself and he replied saying that Martin may have thought that he was "creepy." She also asked if he thought Martin was afraid because Zimmerman did not identify himself.

"Do you think he was afraid," Singleton is heard saying on the tape. "You never told him yu were? You could have told him? Right?"

When asked why he followed Martin, Zimmerman said, "He caught me off guard."

More than 20 witnesses testified during the opening week of a trial that has opened up national debates about race, equal justice, self-defense and gun control.

Zimmerman has said Martin was banging his head into the concrete sidewalk behind the town homes in a gated community. Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder and has pleaded not guilty.

Zimmerman defense attorney Mark O'Mara said at the end of last week that the trial was progressing at a faster pace than anticipated, but that he was reserving judgment on the prosecution's case so far.

"We're in the middle of it. They've got a lot more to show. These things build up slow, and it's sort of like pieces of a puzzle," O'Mara said. "People say, 'wait a minute, I can't see the picture yet.' They're very good prosecutors, they're gonna do a very good job, and they're gonna put on their evidence. We'll see how it goes. We're certainly ready to respond to it."

Zimmerman, 29, could get life in prison if convicted of second-degree murder. The state argued during its opening statement that Zimmerman profiled and followed Martin in his truck and called a police dispatch number before he and the teen got into a fight.

Zimmerman has denied the confrontation had anything to do with race, as Martin's family and their supporters have claimed.

Over the first five days of testimony, jurors heard 911 calls from neighbors that included cries for help and the fatal gunshot. Zimmerman's attorneys are adamant that he is the one screaming on the recordings, while Martin's parents have said it's their son.

Jurors also listened to more than six hours of testimony from Martin's friend Rachel Jeantel, who testified that she was talking on the phone with the teen as the fight started.

She testified that Martin told her he was being followed by "a creepy-ass cracker." But it was her testy cross-examination exchanges with defense attorney Don West that commanded the most attention.

West attacked inconsistencies in multiple statements she gave attorneys and law enforcement officials about what she heard, including whether she heard Martin say "Get off! Get off!"

There also was conflicting testimony from neighbors that witnessed parts of the struggle between Martin and Zimmerman. Some said it appeared the larger Zimmerman was straddling Martin, but neighbor Jonathan Good said it appeared Martin was on top.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/01/scientific-testimony-expected-from-prosecution-as-2nd-week-zimmerman-trial/#ixzz2XphBw0xl

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Re: Trayvon Martin - Gun, Drugs, Fighting
« Reply #974 on: July 02, 2013, 07:45:19 AM »
I listened to his interviews.  He is consistent in every aspect on everything that matters.  

the lead detective disagrees with you on this.

Day 2, the top cop no longer playing defense lapdog.  He said zimm hung up and went fwd to confront trayvon, and DID NOT head back to his truck as stated.

He's credible, because ya loved him yesterday, but this is a big lie for zimm to tell, whether he was retreating or continuing his advance on trayvon.