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Obama's Speech on Counter-Terrorism and US Foreign Policy
« on: May 24, 2013, 09:05:14 AM »
Kind of surprised no one on the political message board hasn't posted this yet

Only post your thoughts on this speech if you actually watch it

there is actually a lot of stuff in this speech worthy of discussion (unlike 80% of the threads on this board)

http://www.c-span.org/flvPop.aspx?id=10737439779

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Re: Obama's Speech on Counter-Terrorism and US Foreign Policy
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2013, 09:34:07 AM »
Who gives a shit  - its what he DOES that matters, not what he says.

His speeches are endless pap. 

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Re: Obama's Speech on Counter-Terrorism and US Foreign Policy
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2013, 09:39:11 AM »
Who gives a shit  - its what he DOES that matters, not what he says.

His speeches are endless pap. 

thanks for chiming in to remind us what a worthless moron you are

there is plenty of content in that speech that you could comment on (either agreeing with it or not) but instead you choose to be the same old stupid, pathetic broken record


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Re: Obama's Speech on Counter-Terrorism and US Foreign Policy
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2013, 09:40:37 AM »
thanks for chiming in to remind us what a worthless moron you are

there is plenty of content in that speech that you could comment on (either agreeing with it or not) but instead you choose to be the same old stupid, pathetic broken record



Your boy JS said the same thing.

OTWINK is all talk

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Re: Obama's Speech on Counter-Terrorism and US Foreign Policy
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2013, 09:43:33 AM »
thanks for chiming in to remind us what a worthless moron you are

there is plenty of content in that speech that you could comment on (either agreeing with it or not) but instead you choose to be the same old stupid, pathetic broken record




I'm listening right now.

I don't know why this 333 fella is mod here.

Don't see any intelligence in his posts what so ever.

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Re: Obama's Speech on Counter-Terrorism and US Foreign Policy
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2013, 09:44:00 AM »
Your boy JS said the same thing.

OTWINK is all talk

post on the content of the speech or go find another thread to post your drivel

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Re: Obama's Speech on Counter-Terrorism and US Foreign Policy
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2013, 09:45:43 AM »

I'm listening right now.

I don't know why this 333 fella is mod here.

Don't see any intelligence in his posts what so ever.


What Obama says vs what he DOES are invariably two entirely different things.   The speeches are meant for the gullible hacks and desperate obama drones who are in despair over a failing presidency and broken promises. 

The actions obama takes are what matters - not his speeches.   

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Re: Obama's Speech on Counter-Terrorism and US Foreign Policy
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2013, 09:46:30 AM »

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Re: Obama's Speech on Counter-Terrorism and US Foreign Policy
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2013, 09:49:44 AM »

What Obama says vs what he DOES are invariably two entirely different things.   The speeches are meant for the gullible hacks and desperate obama drones who are in despair over a failing presidency and broken promises.  

The actions obama takes are what matters - not his speeches.  


Sure, but he's still the president, and what he says gives you insight into what the administration is either actually thinking or wants people to think.

If you've been around for some time, you would quickly figure out that presidents are just talking heads, no matter how well liked they are by the masses.
 

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Re: Obama's Speech on Counter-Terrorism and US Foreign Policy
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2013, 11:41:00 AM »
Who gives a shit  - its what he DOES that matters, not what he says.

His speeches are endless pap. 

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thanks for chiming in to remind us what a worthless moron you are

there is plenty of content in that speech that you could comment on (either agreeing with it or not) but instead you choose to be the same old stupid, pathetic broken record


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Who gives a shit what he called it


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who gives a shit if CNN chose to cover this story more than the Gosnell trial

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I couldn't give less of a shit

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now if I were 333 I'd piss and moan about the "new rules" but I don't give a shit


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who gives a shit


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no one gives a shit and you might not feel so angry all the time

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yep and those arguments have been refuted many times and I could post all the articles but honestly who really gives a shit at this point

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Re: Obama's Speech on Counter-Terrorism and US Foreign Policy
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2013, 12:11:26 PM »

LOL - if I were like Fairy I'd say you were stalking me but did you really spend your time searching for times I wrote "who gives a shit" and try to conflate the use of that phrase with the topic at hand

I have to say, I had forgotten just how stupid you are

do you think some abortion doctor trial or some rules on an obscure message board (two examples of things I said "who gives a shit" about) are the equivalent of a speech by the leader of the free world where he talks about restricting/changing/giving up the power of the Authorization for the Use of Military Force. 

You really think my reaction to a rule on this board is the equivalent of the speech by the POTUS, especially given the topic of his speech

What are you thoughts about what he said about the AUMF or even simpler, what are your thought about how he responded to the person who chose to shout out during his speech.  There is so much stuff to talk about yet you choose this time to just remind us all how stupid you are

Great Job


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Re: Obama's Speech on Counter-Terrorism and US Foreign Policy
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2013, 12:14:26 PM »
AUMF Repeal: Obama Once Again Stands Up For Democracy
http://www.policymic.com/articles/44327/aumf-repeal-obama-once-again-stands-up-for-democracy

Yesterday, during a speech at the National Defense University, President Obama took an unexpected step towards the first real peace-time that America has seen since 2001 by advocating for a repeal of the Authorization for Use of Military Force, or AUMF.

“Unless we discipline our thinking, our definitions, our actions, we may be drawn into more wars we don't need to fight, or continue to grant presidents unbound powers more suited for traditional armed conflicts between nation states,” stated Obama. “So I look forward to engaging Congress and the American people in efforts to refine, and ultimately repeal, the AUMF's mandate. And I will not sign laws designed to expand this mandate further. Our systematic effort to dismantle terrorist organizations must continue. But this war, like all wars, must end.”

The AUMF was passed in 2001 as a response to the 9/11 attacks. Then-President George W. Bush pushed for Congress to allow him to take any “necessary and appropriate force” against all international terrorism, but Congress, recognizing the boundless power that that would entail, limited the mandate to only actions that targeted those who “planned, authorized, committed or aided” the 9/11 attacks.

Even with this caveat, the AUMF provided the executive branch with unprecedented powers that were easily abused. To name just a few of those abuses, the AUMF has been cited as justification for controversial drone attacks, holding prisoners indefinitely at Guantanamo Bay, and warrantless surveillance of the American people by the National Security Agency.

Regardless, Congress is not only considering keeping the AUMF, but expanding it. Recent Senate Armed Services Committee hearings have seen many push to allow the executive to maintain this secretive use of force against all groups that potentially threaten the U.S., even if entirely unrelated to 9/11. What Congress found reprehensible and unconstitutional in 2001, it is now supporting in 2013.

Thankfully, President Obama is not the kind of politician to jump on the bandwagon. In his aforementioned speech, Obama defied Congress and even members of his own party, simply by stating the facts: Al-Qaeda has mostly been disassembled and is no longer a real threat to the U.S. The U.S. is withdrawing from Afghanistan. We are entering a peacetime state. With the lack of a real, concrete enemy, there is absolutely no need to drag this dwindling conflict into a perpetual and never-ending state of war. And in this vein, Obama is not only openly calling for a repeal of the AUMF, but is also successfully pushing Congress to begin drafting a bill to “sunset” the mandate.

More transparent military proceedings? Giving the American people back their constitutional rights? Ensuring that other countries aren’t too scared to share intelligence with us? And a president who isn’t afraid to limit his own powers to further democracy? Yes please.

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Re: Obama's Speech on Counter-Terrorism and US Foreign Policy
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2013, 12:27:56 PM »
LMFAO  - lol

Sorry moron - the speech does not mean jack shit 

DEEDS NOT WORDS

Obama's deeds undermine democracy - his speeches are flop sweat for his idiot voters 

AUMF Repeal: Obama Once Again Stands Up For Democracy
http://www.policymic.com/articles/44327/aumf-repeal-obama-once-again-stands-up-for-democracy

Yesterday, during a speech at the National Defense University, President Obama took an unexpected step towards the first real peace-time that America has seen since 2001 by advocating for a repeal of the Authorization for Use of Military Force, or AUMF.

“Unless we discipline our thinking, our definitions, our actions, we may be drawn into more wars we don't need to fight, or continue to grant presidents unbound powers more suited for traditional armed conflicts between nation states,” stated Obama. “So I look forward to engaging Congress and the American people in efforts to refine, and ultimately repeal, the AUMF's mandate. And I will not sign laws designed to expand this mandate further. Our systematic effort to dismantle terrorist organizations must continue. But this war, like all wars, must end.”

The AUMF was passed in 2001 as a response to the 9/11 attacks. Then-President George W. Bush pushed for Congress to allow him to take any “necessary and appropriate force” against all international terrorism, but Congress, recognizing the boundless power that that would entail, limited the mandate to only actions that targeted those who “planned, authorized, committed or aided” the 9/11 attacks.

Even with this caveat, the AUMF provided the executive branch with unprecedented powers that were easily abused. To name just a few of those abuses, the AUMF has been cited as justification for controversial drone attacks, holding prisoners indefinitely at Guantanamo Bay, and warrantless surveillance of the American people by the National Security Agency.

Regardless, Congress is not only considering keeping the AUMF, but expanding it. Recent Senate Armed Services Committee hearings have seen many push to allow the executive to maintain this secretive use of force against all groups that potentially threaten the U.S., even if entirely unrelated to 9/11. What Congress found reprehensible and unconstitutional in 2001, it is now supporting in 2013.

Thankfully, President Obama is not the kind of politician to jump on the bandwagon. In his aforementioned speech, Obama defied Congress and even members of his own party, simply by stating the facts: Al-Qaeda has mostly been disassembled and is no longer a real threat to the U.S. The U.S. is withdrawing from Afghanistan. We are entering a peacetime state. With the lack of a real, concrete enemy, there is absolutely no need to drag this dwindling conflict into a perpetual and never-ending state of war. And in this vein, Obama is not only openly calling for a repeal of the AUMF, but is also successfully pushing Congress to begin drafting a bill to “sunset” the mandate.

More transparent military proceedings? Giving the American people back their constitutional rights? Ensuring that other countries aren’t too scared to share intelligence with us? And a president who isn’t afraid to limit his own powers to further democracy? Yes please.

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Re: Obama's Speech on Counter-Terrorism and US Foreign Policy
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2013, 12:30:14 PM »
LMFAO  - lol

Sorry moron - the speech does not mean jack shit 

DEEDS NOT WORDS

Obama's deeds undermine democracy - his speeches are flop sweat for his idiot voters 


aren't you the one constantly cryng about drone strikes and making excuses for terrorists?

so I assume you must agree with what your POTUS said about the AUMF

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Re: Obama's Speech on Counter-Terrorism and US Foreign Policy
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2013, 12:37:47 PM »
I dont give a damn what he says - its his deeds that make these speeches a complete waste of time. 

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Re: Obama's Speech on Counter-Terrorism and US Foreign Policy
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2013, 12:39:50 PM »
I dont give a damn what he says - its his deeds that make these speeches a complete waste of time. 

good enough

then no more need to post on this thread


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Re: Obama's Speech on Counter-Terrorism and US Foreign Policy
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2013, 12:43:43 PM »
good enough

then no more need to post on this thread



Whether is arming terrorists in syria, arming drug dealers in mexico, sending the DOJ to spy on reporters, sending the IRS to abuse tea party people, sending the EPA to abuse coal and oil companies, sending the NLRB to attack businesses, waging an illegal way in Lybia, destablizing Egypt by putting the radical islamists into power, etc etc

Oblahblahs actions commpletely contradict his vapid speeches. 

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Re: Obama's Speech on Counter-Terrorism and US Foreign Policy
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2013, 12:45:09 PM »
Whether is arming terrorists in syria, arming drug dealers in mexico, sending the DOJ to spy on reporters, sending the IRS to abuse tea party people, sending the EPA to abuse coal and oil companies, sending the NLRB to attack businesses, waging an illegal way in Lybia, destablizing Egypt by putting the radical islamists into power, etc etc

Oblahblahs actions commpletely contradict his vapid speeches. 

fine

make threads about all that if you'd like

this thread is about the content of his speech yesterday

you've got plenty of time on your hands so start all the threads that you want


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Re: Obama's Speech on Counter-Terrorism and US Foreign Policy
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2013, 01:42:28 PM »









HAHAHAHAHAHA! Brutal owning of the no-life, 46-year-old gay stalker!!!!

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Re: Obama's Speech on Counter-Terrorism and US Foreign Policy
« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2013, 01:55:49 PM »


Who gives a shit what Obama said.  He's still in campaign mode.

Transparency anyone?



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Re: Obama's Speech on Counter-Terrorism and US Foreign Policy
« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2013, 01:56:42 PM »

Who gives a shit what Obama said.  He's still in campaign mode.

Transparency anyone?




The speech is more important than the actual deeds in office remember? 

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Re: Obama's Speech on Counter-Terrorism and US Foreign Policy
« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2013, 02:00:57 PM »
The OP was completely destroyed by Beach Bum.

Interesting how some here judge a president's performance on speeches prepared before hand, most times read from a teleprompter, rather than his actions which speak much louder about his intentions and his beliefs.

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Re: Obama's Speech on Counter-Terrorism and US Foreign Policy
« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2013, 02:57:50 PM »
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Brutal owning of the no-life, 46-year-old gay stalker!!!!

your stupidity with this post and other owns yourself DAILY

only you are stupid enough to think Bum searching for my old posts where I use a phrase when talking about mundane stuff and then trying to conflate it to a major policy speech by the POTUS is an "owning"

honestly - I wish there were more right wingers with just a decent level of intelligence on this board

trying to have actual conversation about policy is like talking to retarded 3rd graders about which flavor of ice cream is better


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Re: Obama's Speech on Counter-Terrorism and US Foreign Policy
« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2013, 03:00:12 PM »
your stupidity with this post and other owns yourself DAILY

only you are stupid enough to think Bum searching for my old posts where I use a phrase when talking about mundane stuff and then trying to conflate it to a major policy speech by the POTUS is an "owning"

honestly - I wish there were more right wingers with just a decent level of intelligence on this board

trying to have actual conversation about policy is like talking to retarded 3rd graders about which flavor of ice cream is better



Again - the speech is not the policy.   After 5 years most people w two brain cells realize this by now. 

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Re: Obama's Speech on Counter-Terrorism and US Foreign Policy
« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2013, 03:26:50 PM »

Who gives a shit what Obama said.  He's still in campaign mode.

Transparency anyone?




Agree.  I actually tried to listen to parts of it, but had to change the station after about five minutes.