if you cycle 12 wks on 8 wks off, do you still keep adding more muscle everycycl

[anabolichalo]

or are you back where you started by the time you have the next cycle

[Disgusted]

Why come off? 

[anabolichalo]

Why come off? 

because i'm not sure if the finasteride is working or not

[Igor90]

you know, after two years being on and off gear, i realised thaty this whole cycling thing is garbage. why would you want to come off? to lose what you've gained? put on 15 lbs and lose almost all of it in a moment? nah, it's either always ON or no gear at all. at least for me...

not once did i do pct, actually,,

[anabolichalo]

you know, after two years being on and off gear, i realised thaty this whole cycling thing is garbage. why would you want to come off? to lose what you've gained? put on 15 lbs and lose almost all of it in a moment? nah, it's either always ON or no gear at all. at least for me...

not once did i do pct, actually,,

maybe you would not have lost gains so quickly if you did do pct?

[Disgusted]

because i'm not sure if the finasteride is working or not

Fuck the pct and stay on. Stop being an over thinking vagina. 

[Igor90]

maybe you would not have lost gains so quickly if you did do pct?

i didn't lose them that quick actually. and pct wouldn't matter either way

[Disgusted]

Pct does NOT make you keep gains. Jesus H Christ!!!!!!!!!!!

[anabolichalo]

i didn't lose them that quick actually. and pct wouldn't matter either way

say u gain 15lbs

what is left of it by the start of the next cycle after 8 wks off


is it realistic to expect to be able to get bigger cycle by cycle

or are you just yoyo-ing between cycles

[slaveboy1980]

Shut the fuck up Bluto.

[anabolichalo]

Pct does NOT make you keep gains. Jesus H Christ!!!!!!!!!!!

if it can restore natural production faster you would lose your gains at a slower rate?

that's what I was implying

not that you can keep them


if you can keep half untill next cycle you can build new gains on half of old gains


if not it's pointless

[Disgusted]

if it can restore natural production faster you would lose your gains at a slower rate?

that's what I was implying

not that you can keep them


if you can keep half untill next cycle you can build new gains on half of old gains


if not it's pointless

NO! Bringing them back up to what they were before which wasn't enuff for gains in the first place will not allow you to keep any amount of drug induced gains

[Igor90]

say u gain 15lbs

what is left of it by the start of the next cycle after 8 wks off


is it realistic to expect to be able to get bigger cycle by cycle

or are you just yoyo-ing between cycles

yo-yoing... that's a nice word. and it pretty much fits here. i was 15 weeks on test e at 750mg and equipose (don't remember how much). if it remember correctly, i gained something close to 14-15lbs of lean muscle (not counting water), went off COMPLETELY, then sloooooowly lost more than half of it over those 2 and a half months i was off...

so there you go

[anabolichalo]

NO! Bringing them back up to what they were before which wasn't enuff for gains in the first place will not allow you to keep any amount of drug induced gains

but keeping them surpressed below normal levels will cause you to lose them even faster?


so doing pct makes gains stay longer?


or is it a meaningless difference compared to steroided levels

[Igor90]

but keeping them surpressed below normal levels will cause you to lose them even faster?


so doing pct makes gains stay longer?


or is it a meaningless difference compared to steroided levels

if i would ever do pct, i'd rather shoot hcg

[anabolichalo]

yo-yoing... that's a nice word. and it pretty much fits here. i was 15 weeks on test e at 750mg and equipose (don't remember how much). if it remember correctly, i gained something close to 14-15lbs of lean muscle (not counting water), went off COMPLETELY, then sloooooowly lost more than half of it over those 2 and a half months i was off...

so there you go

pretty pointless


better stay on half that dose year round?

[Igor90]

pretty pointless


better stay on half that dose year round?

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i would cruise on 500-1000mg of test e and a gram of eq all year (eq is near damn harmless either way), then occasionally switch test to prop and add trenbolona when you need to look REAL good

[The True Adonis]

Why come off? 

Its healthy to stay on steroids and never come off? 

[ukjeff]

post a pic Igor90, I would like to see what you have achieved.

[slaveboy1980]

Its healthy to stay on steroids and never come off?  

You don't use roids to be 'healthy'.

[Igor90]

post a pic Igor90, I would like to see what you have achieved.

sorry bro, i don't post pictures of myself on this or any other forums. i took a long time off from gear, and now i'm back at 6'2 200-203 lbs 7-8% bf, which isn't much as you can see. i'm planning on going on a permacycle starting this summer though. wanna get back in the game

[Disgusted]

but keeping them surpressed below normal levels will cause you to lose them even faster?


so doing pct makes gains stay longer?


or is it a meaningless difference compared to steroided levels

NO!!!!!

[doriancutlerman]

Fuck the pct and stay on. Stop being an over thinking vagina. 

If I were Hector Salamanca, I would respond to this post thusly:

DINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDING!

Staying on is something I already recommended to you, A.Halo.  Even if it's only 250mg of Test E./wk., that's not so bad IMHO.  I also know dudes who actually bridge cycles with, believe it or not, orals.  This one local dude -- decent build, a bit fat like me but surprisingly weak for his size -- swears by going off injections and onto whatever pills he can afford at the time (usually Dianabol).  He actually maintains and sometimes improves upon old PRs during that period.  He benched three ... ah, shit.  What was it?  380?  Yeah, 380, for the first time not all that long ago while was "between cycles" and swilling DBols like M&M's

What can I say?  I've done my best with the man.  At some point, I have to wash my hands of him

[anabolichalo]

no, with long esters the deflation happens quite suddenly from about the 3rd month.

before that, youll even look your best ever, bc the water under skin is pissed out.

on shoert esters, the deflation is quite immediate.

and no, not all gains vanish.just keepon training and eating.

and yeah why come off

i want to stay on but

i'm still paranoid about if the finasteride + test thing is "working"

technically it should work

but to be safe i decided to come off for 2 months, since this littleanabolic is born i havent been able to dedicate 100% anyway

[dj181]

no, with long esters the deflation happens quite suddenly from about the 3rd month.

before that, youll even look your best ever, bc the water under skin is pissed out.

on shoert esters, the deflation is quite immediate.

and no, not all gains vanish.just keepon training and eating.

and yeah why come off

is it true that you can and should build up with a higher dose and then use a lower dose to maintain?