The fix is in on Zimmerman / Trayvon case.

[240 is Back]

did you read this asshole comment you just posted??....if a guy is following you with a gun you damn well better beat him up....actually you can make the argument that Trayvon didn't beat Zimm enough due to Trayvon getting shot anyway

trayvon could have beaten zimmerman to death - and won in court because he could argue he was scared for his life.

[Dos Equis]

did you read this asshole comment you just posted??....if a guy is following you with a gun you damn well better beat him up....actually you can make the argument that Trayvon didn't beat Zimm enough due to Trayvon getting shot anyway

Well I typed it, so I guess I read it.     Martin likely didn't know Zimmerman had a gun.  That's the reason he was emboldened to start beating the crap out of Zimmerman. 

[Dos Equis]

what he was is irrelevant.....he was shot FOR NO REASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....and it just came out that he actually lived at the complex with his dad....so basically he was shot due to living in the wrong place...supposedly

What the evidence shows so far is he was shot because he was stupid enough to beat, MMA style, a man with a gun. 

[240 is Back]

What the evidence shows so far is he was shot because he was stupid enough to beat, MMA style, a man with a gun. 

there is no evidence that EITHER man started the fight.  Fact.

[blacken700]

there is no evidence that EITHER man started the fight.  Fact.

this  is not a fact base site,you been here long enough you should know that 

[Soul Crusher]

there is no evidence that EITHER man started the fight.  Fact.

then zimm is not guilty

[andreisdaman]

trayvon could have beaten zimmerman to death - and won in court because he could argue he was scared for his life.

good point

[240 is Back]

then zimm is not guilty

disagree.

If I chase 333386 two blocks with my gun...

we go into an alley where there are no witnesses...

and I smoke his ass...

then I belong in fcking prison.   

And believe it or not, people HAVE been convicted of crimes when they create the death of another without a witness, believe it or not. Just because you can get someone away from witnesses doesn't mean that you can kill them.  "hey, you may have seen me chasing a motherfcker with my glock, but since you didn't SEE me start the fight, you can't do shit..."

Try that in real life lol...

[tonymctones]

disagree.

If I chase 333386 two blocks with my gun...

we go into an alley where there are no witnesses...

and I smoke his ass...

then I belong in fcking prison.   

And believe it or not, people HAVE been convicted of crimes when they create the death of another without a witness, believe it or not. Just because you can get someone away from witnesses doesn't mean that you can kill them.  "hey, you may have seen me chasing a motherfcker with my glock, but since you didn't SEE me start the fight, you can't do shit..."

Try that in real life lol...

wheres the proof zimmerman chased trayvon?

[tonymctones]

what he was is irrelevant.....he was shot FOR NO REASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....and it just came out that he actually lived at the complex with his dad....so basically he was shot due to living in the wrong place...supposedly

if its so irrelevant then why did the media go so far as to hide it?

if its so irrelevant why is zimmermans past relevant?

PS he wasnt shot for no reason brain child, he was shot b/c he was beating the shit out of someone...Supposedly he reached for the gun and thats when he got shot.

How it came to that we dont really know but dont sit there and act like this kid is innocent as we simply dont know.

[andreisdaman]

if its so irrelevant then why did the media go so far as to hide it?

if its so irrelevant why is zimmermans past relevant?

PS he wasnt shot for no reason brain child, he was shot b/c he was beating the shit out of someone...Supposedly he reached for the gun and thats when he got shot.

How it came to that we dont really know but dont sit there and act like this kid is innocent as we simply dont know.

first of all no one said that the kid was innocent..very few are.....but the fact remains that the kid was walking through the neighborhood eating candy and drinking ice tea....how does he deserve to die for that.....Zimm accosted this kid and got his ass whipped....Zimm was following him thus agitating for a fight.....you don't shoot a kid because he whips your ass....take it like a man and move on...the 911 operator SPECIFICALLY told Zim NOT to follow the kid...

only a pussy-hole like you who is a sissy and never been involved in a fight before would make asinine comments like yours...and wheres your proof that the kid reached for his gun???...and if he did he was justified in doing so...naturally if an armed guy is fighting with you, you are going to reach for his gun to try and disarm him

oh but I forget....you wouldn't do it...because you are a pussy-hole

[240 is Back]

wheres the proof zimmerman chased trayvon?

are you seriously asking this?

the 911 call provides this.

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

[andreisdaman]

are you seriously asking this?

the 911 call provides this.

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

Good job 240..nice destruction of Tommy's argument...he should be disappearing from the thread in 3....2...1...

[240 is Back]

I don't think a lot of people have read the transcript.  These are zimm's own words.  He acknowledges trayvon is running, curses that these a-holes always get away, then admist he is following him - and on the recording, he's panting like crazy with fast strides audible - he's clearly running.

Trayvon is running - and getting away.
Zimm is running - and following him.

Jury has to decide which man was most likely the aggressor in the fight, huh?  The pothead minor running, or the LEO-assault, armed man chasing and cursing, complaining that these a-holes always get away?

They should be begging for a plea. Looks really bad.  A LOT of things have to happen for both people inolved to suddenly REVERSE their direction and attitude, huh?

[Straw Man]

Well I typed it, so I guess I read it.     Martin likely didn't know Zimmerman had a gun.  That's the reason he was emboldened to start beating the crap out of Zimmerman. 

wasn't Martin supposed to be an aspiring criminal in a state where almost anyone can get a gun

We could just as easily speculate that Martin likely presumed the weird dude following him might have a gun

we can go about 5 different paths with that assumption

[George Whorewell]

wasn't Martin supposed to be an aspiring criminal in a state where almost anyone can get a gun

We could just as easily speculate that Martin likely presumed the weird dude following him might have a gun

we can go about 5 different paths with that assumption

Hence, GZ has a valid argument for acting in self defense.

Get off Trayvon's dick already. Seriously. I'm not nominating GZ for the "White Hispanic Community Service Action"  award, but enough with these mindless overtures proclaiming his guilt and Trayvon's exemption from responsibility for the actions which led to his death.

To break it down in its most simplistic terms, a young hoodlum beat up an overzealous neighborhood watch retard and got what was coming to him.

You mindless sycophants are in need of a worthier cause to feign your phony outrage. How about the partisan attacks on Lois Lerner? Those are pretty offensive.

[andreisdaman]

Hence, GZ has a valid argument for acting in self defense.

Get off Trayvon's dick already. Seriously. I'm not nominating GZ for the "White Hispanic Community Service Action"  award, but enough with these mindless overtures proclaiming his guilt and Trayvon's exemption from responsibility for the actions which led to his death.

To break it down in its most simplistic terms, a young hoodlum beat up an overzealous neighborhood watch retard and got what was coming to him.

You mindless sycophants are in need of a worthier cause to feign your phony outrage. How about the partisan attacks on Lois Lerner? Those are pretty offensive.

in my mind a guy cannot claim to be acting in self-defense when he himself provoked said conflict and went out of his way to do so....thats like you walking down the street drinking a soda and I then cross said street, follow you, you notice me following you, and not only that, but zeroing in on you like I am going to do something, you start to run, I chase you, catch up to you, you're scared, your heart is pounding and so is mine, we get into an altercation, and I proceed to pull out a gun and kill you because you "provoked me" and I was "defending" myself.....I was only "standing my ground"

surely even a stupid dumb ignorant fuck like you can see how illogical that scenario is??

[Soul Crusher]

in my mind a guy cannot claim to be acting in self-defense when he himself provoked said conflict and went out of his way to do so....thats like you walking down the street drinking a soda and I then cross said street, follow you, you notice me following you, and not only that, but zeroing in on you like I am going to do something, you start to run, I chase you, catch up to you, you're scared, your heart is pounding and so is mine, we get into an altercation, and I proceed to pull out a gun and kill you because you "provoked me" and I was "defending" myself.....I was only "standing my ground"

surely even a stupid dumb ignorant fuck like you can see how illogical that scenario is??

Trayvon started it by being a stereotypical thug w the gold teeth, hoodie, gangsta slide, pants around ass etc in a hood sick to death of ghetto trash robbing the homes. 

[Skip8282]

in my mind a guy cannot claim to be acting in self-defense when he himself provoked said conflict and went out of his way to do so....thats like you walking down the street drinking a soda and I then cross said street, follow you, you notice me following you, and not only that, but zeroing in on you like I am going to do something, you start to run, I chase you, catch up to you, you're scared, your heart is pounding and so is mine, we get into an altercation, and I proceed to pull out a gun and kill you because you "provoked me" and I was "defending" myself.....I was only "standing my ground"

surely even a stupid dumb ignorant fuck like you can see how illogical that scenario is??

Except bias keeps changing things to suit people's preconceived notions of what went down.

Following him becomes 'chasing down'

And from the only person who can tell us anything, he stopped and TM came back around to jump him.

If the dude's guilty, lock him up.  But a lot of our speculation seems to be awfully skewed in one direction or the other and I'm probably just as guilty.

Trying to find impartial jurors in gonna be a real bitch, IMO.

[tonymctones]

first of all no one said that the kid was innocent..very few are.....but the fact remains that the kid was walking through the neighborhood eating candy and drinking ice tea....how does he deserve to die for that.....Zimm accosted this kid and got his ass whipped....Zimm was following him thus agitating for a fight.....you don't shoot a kid because he whips your ass....take it like a man and move on...the 911 operator SPECIFICALLY told Zim NOT to follow the kid...

only a pussy-hole like you who is a sissy and never been involved in a fight before would make asinine comments like yours...and wheres your proof that the kid reached for his gun???...and if he did he was justified in doing so...naturally if an armed guy is fighting with you, you are going to reach for his gun to try and disarm him

oh but I forget....you wouldn't do it...because you are a pussy-hole

proof that zimmerman acosted trayvon?

according to his story he was on his way back to his truck when trayvon acosted him, do you have proof to the contrary?

again according to zimmerman trayvon was reaching for his gun, that isnt just beating someones ass...

lol son Im not going to get into a pissing match on the interweb, just do a little bit of research on here about me and then come talk about getting into fights

[tonymctones]

are you seriously asking this?

the 911 call provides this.

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

so he briefly followed trayvon?

didnt we already all know that?

youve said multiple times he was running after him, any proof of that?

you also know by the 911 call that he lost trayvon as well, correct?

[tonymctones]

in my mind a guy cannot claim to be acting in self-defense when he himself provoked said conflict and went out of his way to do so....thats like you walking down the street drinking a soda and I then cross said street, follow you, you notice me following you, and not only that, but zeroing in on you like I am going to do something, you start to run, I chase you, catch up to you, you're scared, your heart is pounding and so is mine, we get into an altercation, and I proceed to pull out a gun and kill you because you "provoked me" and I was "defending" myself.....I was only "standing my ground"

surely even a stupid dumb ignorant fuck like you can see how illogical that scenario is??

what if you lose the person your following after less than a minute, you begin returning to your original spot and are then confronted by the person you were trying to follow. They start a fight in which they end up reaching for your gun.

do you think you would be justified in standing your ground then?

you keep changing the story to fit your bias, do you have any proof the story didnt go down the way zimmerman said?

[blacken700]

ok lets just take the word of someone who just killed another person as fact  the stupidity of some on this site is comical 

[Skip8282]

ok lets just take the word of someone who just killed another person as fact  the stupidity of some on this site is comical 

No, let's disregard it and just make shit up about what we think might have happened. 

You and dumbfuck must be related...somehow...

[blacken700]

like i said the stupidity on this site is unmatched anywhere on the internet    taking the word of a guy that just killed someone as fact