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Body-building is very complex, it takes a real scholar-athlete to excel at it.

This.

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look at shizzo81 and judge for yourself ;D


for entertainment value, question to adam, why did fatpanda fail with his calorie is calorie kitkat diet?
He didn`t.  He lost over 150 lbs and still had a lot more to lose.  He left the site and never came back so we don`t know what happened.  He did succeed though.

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If you are in the wild, and are eating nothing but lean protein, you will die.



are you saying that a protein calorie is not the same as a fat calorie or a carb calorie?? blasphemy1!!!!11

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are you saying that a protein calorie is not the same as a fat calorie or a carb calorie?? blasphemy1!!!!11
A calorie is a calorie but a Macro Nutrient is not a Macro Nutrient.  I have always said this my resident moron.  Do a search if you don`t believe me.

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are you saying that a protein calorie is not the same as a fat calorie or a carb calorie?? blasphemy1!!!!11
oh shit Adam, he got you on this one   ;Dlmao

if a calorie is a calorie, then when in the wild you only eat protein calories, why is it that you die?

dam that was funny


so a calorie is not a calorie in the wild, lolololl  NOW I GET IT  :D

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oh shit Adam, he got you on this one   ;Dlmao

if a calorie is a calorie, then when in the wild you only eat protein calories, why is it that you die?

dam that was funny


so a calorie is not a calorie in the wild, lolololl  NOW I GET IT  :D
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A calorie is a calorie but a Macro Nutrient is not a Macro Nutrient.  I have always said this my resident moron.  Do a search if you don`t believe me.
So the kinds of calories do matter ???
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So the kinds of calories do matter ???
Once your nutritional needs are met, they do not matter one bit.  Also, food choice in meeting those needs don`t matter at all.

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Once your nutritional needs are met, they do not matter one bit.  Also, food choice in meeting those needs don`t matter at all.
what  ??? now we are back tracking, lol

just fucken with you lol  ;) just twisting up the words  :D

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this was kinda funy comeback and somewhat proves youre not as retarded as the first post suggests
you got to admit that was pretty clever of bam bam, I loled  ;D

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what  ??? now we are back tracking, lol

just fucken with you lol  ;) just twisting up the words  :D
???
I have said that for years and years and years.  Please do a search so you see it for yourself.  Also, you can refer back to Krankenstein`s posts.


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what  ??? now we are back tracking, lol

just fucken with you lol  ;) just twisting up the words  :D
I just did a search and picked the first one that came up. 2007.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=136305.msg1932519#msg1932519

   
Re: TA: The true test of "a calorie is a calorie"
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A calorie is a Calorie.

A Macronutrient is not a Macronutrient. 


It is infeasible to construct such a diet and you could not meet the RDA,DRI guidelines. 

For optimal health, I advise to meet these guidelines.

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I just did a search and picked the first one that came up. 2007.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=136305.msg1932519#msg1932519

   
Re: TA: The true test of "a calorie is a calorie"
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A calorie is a Calorie.

A Macronutrient is not a Macronutrient. 


It is infeasible to construct such a diet and you could not meet the RDA,DRI guidelines. 

For optimal health, I advise to meet these guidelines.
bro, I was only kidding

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bro, I was only kidding
It was more for Bam-Bam.

He wasn`t kidding.

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A calorie (a measure of heat) is an imperfect measure. I have said this before. There are many factors involved in liberating energy in the form of heat from the macronutrients. Why on earth are people separating macros from the calories (measure of heat) they provide? How energy is liberated from the different macros is unique as the macros themselves (edit- up until Kreb's and even then there are two entry points into the Kreb's cycke that amino acids can exploit). As far as nutritionist saying empty calories are useless is not true. If one is starving then by all means eat empty calories (empty being defined as not accompanied by vitamins, minerals, phytochemicals, nucleosides, fiber, or water). Constant ingestion of empty calories is not recommended. Finally, I forget the exact post but someone said a cookie is more nutritionally dense gram for gram then oatmeal. Again, not true, even the opposite cannot truthfully be said because nutrition density compares micronutrient against micronutrient in comparable caloric substrates. One must pick a nutrient and compare it and then make a statement based on that single nutrient. Example, milk is more nutritionally dense in Calcium then soymilk.
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A calorie (a measure of heat) is an imperfect measure. I have said this before. There are many factors involved in liberating energy in the form of heat from the macronutrients. Why on earth are people separating macros from the calories (measure of heat) they provide? How energy is liberated from the different macros is unique as the macros themselves (edit- up until Kreb's and even then there are two entry points into the Kreb's cycke that amino acids can exploit). As far as nutritionist saying empty calories are useless is not true. If one is starving then by all means eat empty calories (empty being defined as not accompanied by vitamins, minerals, phytochemicals, nucleosides, fiber, or water). Constant ingestion of empty calories is not recommended. Finally, I forget the exact post but someone said a cookie is more nutritionally dense gram for gram then oatmeal. Again, not true, even the opposite cannot truthfully be said because nutrition density compares micronutrient against micronutrient in comparable caloric substrates. One must pick a nutrient and compare it and then make a statement based on that single nutrient. Example, milk is more nutritionally dense in Calcium then soymilk.
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I can make a 100 gram oatmeal cookie that is nutritionally superior overall (macro and micro nutrient wise as well as taste)  to just 100 grams of plain oats and water.

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Depends on what you are comparing. I tried to explain that nutritional density is not based on grams (weight) but calories. At the outset, your cookie (I have to admit I would take the challenge just to eat free cookies) would automatically have less fiber (an essential nutrient in my view) than the cookie. So lets say we are comparing potassium in a 250 calorie cookie versus 250 calories of oatmeal (weight is immaterial). So an oatmeal (not yours I venture but for now) cookie would have 96 mg potassium, 1.5 grams fiber, 2.5 grams protein. Oatmeal? 165 gms potassium, 12 gms fiber, 5 grams protein.
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Depends on what you are comparing. I tried to explain that nutritional density is not based on grams (weight) but calories. At the outset, your cookie (I have to admit I would take the challenge just to eat free cookies) would automatically have less fiber (an essential nutrient in my view) than the cookie. So lets say we are comparing potassium in a 250 calorie cookie versus 250 calories of oatmeal (weight is immaterial). So an oatmeal (not yours I venture but for now) cookie would have 96 mg potassium, 1.5 grams fiber, 2.5 grams protein. Oatmeal? 165 gms potassium, 12 gms fiber, 5 grams protein.
I could easily up the fiber by adding different ingredients.

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Ahhh, but now you are going to throw off the flavor ever so slightly as well as the texture or what we call the 'mouth-feel' of the finished product. As you know, there are structure makers and structure breakers in baking and adding fiber is not a fix without having to balance out the recipe. Also, what about the other nutrients I brought up, potassium & protein?
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Once your nutritional needs are met, they do not matter one bit.  Also, food choice in meeting those needs don`t matter at all.
So you admit that you must take in a number of a certain type of calories to meet your RDA before you can eat whatever you want?
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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If you are in the wild, and are eating nothing but lean protein, you will die.

Look up the term "Rabbit Starvation".
Doesn't that make protein only diets pretty stupid even in the short term?

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So you admit that you must take in a number of a certain type of calories to meet your RDA before you can eat whatever you want?
Have you not been paying attention for years and years?


You meet these needs by default and would have to go out of your way NOT to meet them so it really is not a relevant question.  How many times do I have to post that and for how many more years?  :D

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Doesn't that make protein only diets pretty stupid even in the short term?
No, cause there is no such a thing as protein only diets, these so called protein only diets have fat in them and lots of vegetables so hardly a ''protein only" diet. it is a term used for people who diet without complex carbs

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Have you not been paying attention for years and years?


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I don't really pay too much attention. :P
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