Journal on all meat diet with different fat to protein ratios and body comp

[Disgusted]

Followed this man's journal for a while As you can see he was very meticulous with his diet. He ate the same amount of calories everyday, but changed his fat to protein % and as you can see had some changes not only on BF but blood work too. Here's the link plus I'll post some info from the site. Tons of info too much to post here, but thought some of you would find this interesting. Enjoy.. 

http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/journals/lex's-journal/

Here is the 10th week update on my fat ratio experiment.

                       68%F/32%P  80%F/20%P  80%F/20%P   80%F/20%P
                         Baseline          21 Days       42 Days       70 Days

BG Daily Avg           106              94              92                 87
BG Hi/Low Range   90/120         92/103        80/100           71/98
BG rise after meal      25              10               6                 12
Urine Ketones       0-Trace      SM/Lg        Trace/Mod         Large+
Resting Heart Rt        58             63              60                 59
Weight                   162            159            165               160
BMI                         21.4          21.0           21.8              21.1   
%Body Fat(calipers)   11.0         12.3           13.9               10.8
BP                       110/70        105/67        98/63            103/65


Things are going well.  The longer I'm eating raw meat the more my health improves.  Last week I did transition back to the lower fat diet.  Calories from fat are now in the 65% range rather than 80%.  I do find that I want more food.  Eating 80% calories as fat it was all I could do to get down 650 grams of food.  I now eat about 900 grams (2 lbs) and I've actually lost 3 lbs of weight.  It is clear that if the fat is high enough that you will gain weight even when eating zero carb - at least that is my experience.  My energy also seems a bit higher on the lower fat protocol so this is what I will stick with. 

I set out to prove Taubes statement that it takes Glycerol Phosphate to store body fat and the primary source for GP is from eating carbs, therefore if you don't eat carbs you can't gain weight - or so went my interpretation of Taubes statement.  Experience has now shown that extremely high fat - 85%+ - will cause weight gain.  At least it did in my case.  So what gives?

After a bit of study and reasoning it seems that animal fats are also in the triglyceride form and therefore carry Glycerol Phosphate with them when eaten.  Much of the Glycerol Phosphate is broken down into glucose during digestion, but if enough fat is eaten, then there is a surplus that can recombine with Free Fatty Acids to create new triglycerides that can be stored as body fat.  Hence weight gain.  Even under my worst case where I was trying to eat 2 lbs of the high fat food each day I only gained about 10 additional lbs so it takes a lot more dietary fat to create additional body fat than it does carbs.  Once I cut the food intake to a more manageable 650 grams my weight did drop back to the 160-162 range.

Now that I'm eating 65% fat my body weight has dropped to 155 but since it has only been a little over 1 week I'm sure it is not stable and may rise again or even fall futher.  Time will tell and I'll report.

BG was averaging in the mid 80s and now it is back to the mid 90s - again unstable so we'll see where it finally settles down.

Ketones were always maxed out at level 4 on the 80% fat protocol.  Since returning to 65% fat they have dropped to Level 1 with an occasional dip to Trace level or a peak of level 2.

Resting heart rate has continued to slowly improve and a week ago it reached a low of 49.  It will be interesting to see if this lower level holds with the increase in protein and reduction in fat or if heart rate will increase.

[ukjeff]

Guy has way too much time on his hands.

[no one]

thanks dude. appreciated!

[The True Adonis]

He needs to bake a cake one day.  Looks miserable in his photo.  Whats he bench?

[no one]

when i keep my fats high, carbs at <30 grams a day, and use whey protein, coffee and no animal fats/proteins (im talking meat here) but instead use coconut oil, raw almonds and whole eggs (3 a day) i can routinely run 1000-1200cal days consecutively at a bodyweight of 240ish and not get hungry. but when i use meat for protein, and my carbs are over 100 grams a day and the fats slightly lower im fighting hunger all the time. now i know why- the link between glycerol phosphate and animal fats along with taking in too many carbs. fuck i keep thinking 'im supposed to replenish my glycogen tho, so i need x amount of carbs' when will i ever learn. fml

[ukjeff]

He needs to bake a cake one day.  Looks miserable in his photo.  Whats he bench?

Agreed, guy looks like a good meal would kill him.

[El Diablo Blanco]

It's a good study if he did this in a vacuum with no outside influence.  But I can eat 2000 calories a day and claim some days I gained weight while others I dropped weight.  But I won't tell you that on the days I dropped weight I had to walk a mile, I did some house cleaning, I jerked off twice so my caloric need was really 2500 calories, but on the days I lost weight I just sat around and slept so my caloric needs were only 1500 calories.
When you stay at a constant caloric level then any activity, be it, walking to a store, walking the dog, jerking off whatever will burn more calories.  Did he account for that?

[Disgusted]

thanks dude. appreciated!

Sure, as you can see when he changed the fat to protein ratio, but kept his calories the same his body comp changed. Proof that caloric intake isn't the only factor when it comes to losing and gaining fat.

[The True Adonis]

Agreed, guy looks like a good meal would kill him.

Imagine the meltdown he would have if someone surprised him with an elaborate triple layered birthday cake, had a party for him and handed him a plate with a giant slice covered in frosting.  Meanwhile everyone surrounds him waiting for him to take a bite as the sweat beads off his brow and his face by this point is beet red out of fear/embarrassment/shame.

He probably would resort to bulimia or anorexia for a few days afterwards in order to "cleanse" himself.

Guy is a nutjob.  

[El Diablo Blanco]

Sure, as you can see when he changed the fat to protein ratio, but kept his calories the same his body comp changed. Proof that caloric intake isn't the only factor when it comes to losing and gaining fat.

Also caloric intake cannot be just a daily measurement, it needs to be an average over a week. Anyone that thinks eating 2000 calories of meat today means you'll be fully clean tomorrow is kidding themselves.  Meat can take days to leave your body.  You need to actually burn those 2000 calories in 24 hours which might not be possible.

[The True Adonis]

Sure, as you can see when he changed the fat to protein ratio, but kept his calories the same his body comp changed. Proof that caloric intake isn't the only factor when it comes to losing and gaining fat.

He never lists his calories really so we don`t know how much he is eating or anything.  For all we know, ass burgers could be measuring his ass burgers incorrectly.  Also, why doesn`t he eat anything good?  Does he even lift?  

[The True Adonis]

We have no idea if he is in a constant deficit or not either.

Also, his caliper measurements are well within the standard margin of error, enough so that his measurements don`t even matter.  Does he have any pics beside the miserable face shot?

[Disgusted]

Also caloric intake cannot be just a daily measurement, it needs to be an average over a week. Anyone that thinks eating 2000 calories of meat today means you'll be fully clean tomorrow is kidding themselves.  Meat can take days to leave your body.  You need to actually burn those 2000 calories in 24 hours which might not be possible.

Read the journal before you comment. He did this for months and went back to his 65/35 ratio at the end of the experiment. Been well over 5 years on all meat.

[The True Adonis]

HAAHAH This guy is a fruitcake:

Of course I’m very smug in my knowledge that I’m well protected against such common ills as I’m doing all the right things.  I’m eating the proper raw foods, taking large doses of Vitamin C every day,  I’m taking large doses of Zinc daily (the active ingredient in Zicam), I’m taking large doses of selenium daily, and of course, I’m taking large doses of iodine – to the point that my skin has turned yellow.

Yup, I ended up with the common cold.  Sore throat, runny nose, swollen sinuses, hacking cough – the whole nine yards.  It’s been 5 or 6 years since I had a cold like this.  I expect many of you are sure that this is some sort of detox reaction.  I’m unconvinced.  It looks like a common cold, feels like a common cold, and coughs like a common cold – that tells me that it is probably a common cold.  I’ve also had the best medical doctors available (the ones attending to my wife in the hospital for the last 5 days) verify that it is indeed a common cold.

Anyway, so much for all the theories about perfect diet, Vitamin C, Zinc, and iodine protecting us from things like the cold and flu.  I now have some personal experience to the contrary.

Lex

[Disgusted]

We have no idea if he is in a constant deficit or not either.

Also, his caliper measurements are well within the standard margin of error, enough so that his measurements don`t even matter.  Does he have any pics beside the miserable face shot?

Calorie deficit is of no consequence in this matter since his caloric intake was the same (2000) and his BF levels changed. I'm not sure you are understanding what you are reading if you happen to read it at all.

[Disgusted]

HAAHAH This guy is a fruitcake:

Of course I’m very smug in my knowledge that I’m well protected against such common ills as I’m doing all the right things.  I’m eating the proper raw foods, taking large doses of Vitamin C every day,  I’m taking large doses of Zinc daily (the active ingredient in Zicam), I’m taking large doses of selenium daily, and of course, I’m taking large doses of iodine – to the point that my skin has turned yellow.

Yup, I ended up with the common cold.  Sore throat, runny nose, swollen sinuses, hacking cough – the whole nine yards.  It’s been 5 or 6 years since I had a cold like this.  I expect many of you are sure that this is some sort of detox reaction.  I’m unconvinced.  It looks like a common cold, feels like a common cold, and coughs like a common cold – that tells me that it is probably a common cold.  I’ve also had the best medical doctors available (the ones attending to my wife in the hospital for the last 5 days) verify that it is indeed a common cold.

Anyway, so much for all the theories about perfect diet, Vitamin C, Zinc, and iodine protecting us from things like the cold and flu.  I now have some personal experience to the contrary.

Lex

LOL maybe you don't like his haircut either.  Since this flys in the face of what you believe you chose to go off topic which is what I expect from you.. 

[The True Adonis]

HAHAHHAHA

Another thing I've noticed with the increase in iodine intake is that the palms of my hands and the bottoms of my feet, (areas that don't tan) have taken on a slight but noticable amber colored hue.  I had a similar experience when I was drinking lots of carrot juice 20-30 years ago and my hands and feet took on an orange hue. The yellowish amber hue is ligher and less obvious than the orange color created by consuming large amounts of carrot juice, but it is definately there.  I hope this is a good thing and indicates that tissues are saturated with iodine, but of course it could be totally unrelated.  No real way to tell.

Hope springs eternal...

Lex

[The True Adonis]

LOL maybe you don't like his haircut either.  Since this flys in the face of what you believe you chose to go off topic which is what I expect from you.. 

The guy is batshit crazy.  Seriously.

[The True Adonis]

I mean he is really trying to treat what may be Prostate Cancer by shoving this up his ass:



Adora,
I actually like to sleep on the cool side.  Especially my feet.  I can't stand my feet to be too warm.  Most of the time I sleep with only a sheet and even then I keep my feet uncovered.  This has driven my wife nuts for over 35 years.  I have the window over my bed open during most of the year and only close it during late fall and winter when the night time temps drop below 50F.  If it gets down into the low 60's or 50's I'll add a blanket but I still keep my feet uncovered unless it gets really cold.

I haven't had any problem waking up due to temp.  Most of my problem is having to get up to urinate several times during the night.  Since this wakes me up about 3 times during the night, I'll adjust my covers at that time.  My normal routine is to get about 3 hours sleep when I first go to bed.  After that I'm usually up every 2 hours until morning.

There is some discussion in other groups about directly applying Lugol's to the prostate through suppositories.  No real feedback yet on how well this works.  I'll be staying with my original protocol of taking the Lugol's orally for at least 6 months and maybe up to a full year.  If I keep changing protocols then it is difficult to determine what, if anything, is working.  It has taken 60 years for my prostate to get into its current condition.  It may take a good bit of time to see any measurable results from the simple protocol that I'm following just as it took about 2 years for my body to adapt to my ZC diet.

I found a couple of US chemical companies that have 500ml (about 16 oz) of 5% Lugol's for around $25.  Unfortunately they can't sell it to me without a copy of my business license (I don't have one because I'm not a business), as well as several forms that must be filled out, notification to the US Department of Justice, and then a 21 day wait.  Supposedly this is saving us from some sort of illegal drug manufacturing.  What illegal drug is made with Lugol's I have no idea.

The J. Crow company where I get my current supply is forced to sell 5% Lugol's in 30ml bottles to meet US Department of Justice requirements.  They sell 30ml for the same $25.  What is silly is that I can order as many 30ml bottles as I want, I just have to enter each one as a separate order and pay $25 for each order.  Doing it this way makes 500ml cost over $400.

Another member on this forum pointed me to a Canadian Pharmacy that sells 500ml of 5% Lugol's for $50 which includes shipping.  They will ship to the US but won't guarantee delivery as it may be confiscated by customs.  I take the risk but I've ordered it anyway. If it is delivered then I have a year's supply for the cost of about 2 months of the J. Crow stuff.  I have my fingers crossed.

Lex

[The True Adonis]

 

On Saturday I upped the dose to 100mg of iodine per day by adding 6 drops of 5% Lugol's solution to 16oz (500ml) of water 3 times per day - upon arising in the morning, with my daily afternoon meal, and a couple of hours before bedtime.  Accourding to Crow's, 1 drop of their 5% Lugol's contains 6.25mg iodine.  6 drops is 37.5mg taken 3 times per day is 112.5mg/day.

I also take the recommended supplements.  As suggested by those who supposedly know, I take 1000mg Vit C in the morning, then 1000mg Vit C again with my afternoon meal.  The other supplements (400mg Magnesium, 200mg Selenium, Vit B2, Vit B3) are also taken with my single daily meal.  The only supplement that gets divided is the Vit C.

I've been so focused on the metabolic (body temp), and prostate issues that I failed to notice changes in my skin.  I've had flaky patches of skin and brown age spots on my hands, face and thighs have proliferated as I've gotten older, especially in the past 15 years or so.

The flaky patches have smoothed out and/or become much smaller to the point where they are almost gone.  They were easily felt on my forehead but now my forehead is noticeably smoother with almost no flaky areas.

The brown spots are still there but they have gotten lighter in color.  Where they were a dark brownish color, they are now several shades lighter and more of a medium tan.  I had two dark spots develop on my thighs - one on my outer left thigh and one on my inner right thigh over the past 8 years or so.  They are about 1/4"  (0.75cm) in diameter.  They started out as normal brown age spots, but over time the one on the outer left thigh changed character and became very rough and started to itch.  I had it removed about 3 years ago and lab tests on it came back as noncancerous.

The remaining large brown spot on my inner right thigh started to go through the same change a few months ago.  It got somewhat darker in color and the texture changed so that it was easily felt by running a finger over it.  My doctor took a look at it at this year's physical and we decided to leave it alone for the time begin but figured it would probably need to be removed about the time I have my annual physical next year.

Well, noticed today that the texture has changed back to normal skin and I can no longer feel it with my fingers.  The color has also noticeably lightened back to what it was a couple of years ago.  This improvement has happened very quickly just over the last 4 weeks or so since I've been on the iodine protocol.

Generally, my skin feels much smoother and more supple.  Don't get me wrong, my skin is still that of someone that is 60 years old, with lines and wrinkles, it just feels smoother to the touch and the age spots are noticeably lighter in color.

Lex

[The True Adonis]

Post something peer reviewed so we can take it serious at least.  This guy is absolutely out of his mind.  Seriously, read his posts.  He probably has prostate cancer or the early signs of it and he things that shoving Lugol`s Iodine, not meant for human consumption, up his ass will lower PSA levels and get rid of any cancer.


He is a moron.  Sorry.

[growing lad]

so am i reading, he ate 2000 (i think i read 2100) in one meal a day. started at 68% fat 32% pro and increased to 80% fat 20% protein, at the same calorie level but bf% increased. is this due to less protein less TEF?

the only thing that gets me is he eats it raw? holy shit how do u even het it down

[The True Adonis]

so am i reading, he ate 2000 (i think i read 2100) in one meal a day. started at 68% fat 32% pro and increased to 80% fat 20% protein, at the same calorie level but bf% increased. is this due to less protein less TEF?

the only thing that gets me is he eats it raw? holy shit how do u even het it down

He didn`t count the calories he shoved up his ass either with the Lugol`s. 

He is a nutjob, the likes you never really see.  Read his posts and you will get a good laugh.

[growing lad]

He didn`t count the calories he shoved up his ass either with the Lugol`s. 

He is a nutjob, the likes you never really see.  Read his posts and you will get a good laugh.

raw meat screams nutjob i guess

[Nomad]

HAAHAH This guy is a fruitcake:

Of course I’m very smug in my knowledge that I’m well protected against such common ills as I’m doing all the right things.  I’m eating the proper raw foods, taking large doses of Vitamin C every day,  I’m taking large doses of Zinc daily (the active ingredient in Zicam), I’m taking large doses of selenium daily, and of course, I’m taking large doses of iodine – to the point that my skin has turned yellow.

Yup, I ended up with the common cold.  Sore throat, runny nose, swollen sinuses, hacking cough – the whole nine yards.  It’s been 5 or 6 years since I had a cold like this.  I expect many of you are sure that this is some sort of detox reaction.  I’m unconvinced.  It looks like a common cold, feels like a common cold, and coughs like a common cold – that tells me that it is probably a common cold.  I’ve also had the best medical doctors available (the ones attending to my wife in the hospital for the last 5 days) verify that it is indeed a common cold.

Anyway, so much for all the theories about perfect diet, Vitamin C, Zinc, and iodine protecting us from things like the cold and flu.  I now have some personal experience to the contrary.

Lex

enough with the meltdowns. It works for him, why do you care?