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Re: What are the purpose of Pro-Hormones?
« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2013, 12:51:52 AM »
OP just stfu, you don't know what you are talking about.

Oral steroids and prohormones are the same shit , just one has a chemical structure which isnt illegal and one does.

Pheraplex and superdrol are two steroids that where marketed as "prohormones" that are now illegal and you get them from UGL's... Would you be surprised to know that they are basically the strongest oral steroids available ANYWHERE ? I know people who would rather run pheraplex than ANY other oral

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Re: What are the purpose of Pro-Hormones?
« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2013, 12:58:16 AM »
prohormones were made as a legal alternative to roids

i think

other than that they are pretty much like roids, so made to help user reach certain goals, and generate profits for manufacturer

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Re: What are the purpose of Pro-Hormones?
« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2013, 01:24:27 AM »
prohormones were made as a legal alternative to roids

i think

other than that they are pretty much like roids, so made to help user reach certain goals, and generate profits for manufacturer

They where not " made "

They where just taken from Vida's book and copied by rouge chemists (cough*patrick*cough) and sold to Americans.

All those steroids existed 50-60 years ago and it is documented.. There is so many of them that are not illegal and have not been looked into/mass produced.. but will be in some years.

it's just the whole steroid stigma in the west... Every one is so paranoid and lies about it.

My cousin who lives in croatia was over my house the other week and we where talking about things and infront of my mom he starts talking about the sustonon , test prop, trenbolone and hgh he was taking ( in a rough accent ) .. He didn't give a single fuk and didn't feel any need to be ashamed of it, even his mom or something injected him, I cant recall... But over there you go to a pharmacy and buy the stuff .. no one cares really. Over in the west it's so taboo and crap that every one avoids talking about it. It's so distubring. You get guys who want to buy gear off of you pretending that's it's for their friend and making all sort of elaborate lies like you actually give a fuk what they want to do. Weird , weird times.

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Re: What are the purpose of Pro-Hormones?
« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2013, 03:00:15 AM »
They where not " made "

They where just taken from Vida's book and copied by rouge chemists (cough*patrick*cough) and sold to Americans.

All those steroids existed 50-60 years ago and it is documented.. There is so many of them that are not illegal and have not been looked into/mass produced.. but will be in some years.

it's just the whole steroid stigma in the west... Every one is so paranoid and lies about it.

My cousin who lives in croatia was over my house the other week and we where talking about things and infront of my mom he starts talking about the sustonon , test prop, trenbolone and hgh he was taking ( in a rough accent ) .. He didn't give a single fuk and didn't feel any need to be ashamed of it, even his mom or something injected him, I cant recall... But over there you go to a pharmacy and buy the stuff .. no one cares really. Over in the west it's so taboo and crap that every one avoids talking about it. It's so distubring. You get guys who want to buy gear off of you pretending that's it's for their friend and making all sort of elaborate lies like you actually give a fuk what they want to do. Weird , weird times.

Yes this is true. All the pro-hormones/ oral steroids that were never brought to the market were all jacked by legal gear from julias vidas book. However their is a diffrence between a pro-hormone and a designer steroid. A pro-hormone converts to a parent hormone and those products are shit, but the designer orals that didn't go through a coversion phase like M1T, superdrol, the very first original halodrol-50 that was sold just for a few weeks were 3 of the most potent oral steroids anybody can use! So many pro bodybuilders use superdrol,M1T, halodrol-50 and ,many inject 1-test cypionate. Many of these products were released legally and just crush the old traditional oral steroids.  I do agree that pro-hormones that have to convert to a parent hormone are crap(in example- ergopharms 1-AD converted to 1-testosterone) it is way better to buy the 1-testosterone undecanoate or better yet if you are not scared to inject just buy the injectable 1-Testosterone cypionate. At that time in 2004 there was a company who made injectable products,of course they told customers to take the liquid with a oral syringe but if you emailed the owner and asked him if the products were ok to inject he said yes! they were in sterile MTC oil and perfectly fine to inject.

I have tried every oral steroid and I have to honestly say the strongest oral steroid I tried was the very original Gaspari halodrol-50 sold at the 2005 Olympia. gaspari ended up changing the formula 3 times but the very first formula was some potent stuff! very similar to anadrol. the gains were just as rapid but the gains were leaner and you felt a better sense of well being. sometimes anadrol makes you a little sick the first few days but not the halodrol-50 it made me feel great and you gained muscle on top of muscle. the shit was crazy. many will say the same about superdrol and M1T both produced insane muscle. M1T put on gains similar to trenbolone.

I guess it also depends on what brand you got as some of the brands were more potent. Alot of the companys had 98% raw materials.Some of the companys did not get as pure of powder and they put out shittier variations of these products. When purchasing M1T,superdrol,halodrol-50 it was way better to spend the extra money and go with the well known supplement brands. gaspari had kneller putting out great product,designer supplements had matt cahill putting out heat. Both were very skilled at what they did and had great powder connections.

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Re: What are the purpose of Pro-Hormones?
« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2013, 03:41:42 AM »
A mental loophole for people who don't want to break the law, but want an edge.

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Re: What are the purpose of Pro-Hormones?
« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2013, 03:43:34 AM »
Because if you take negative hormones you end up looking like dji'llneverweigh181

lol

but maybe illweigh176 ;D

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Re: What are the purpose of Pro-Hormones?
« Reply #31 on: June 04, 2013, 08:43:02 AM »
Took them when they first came out! They worked well, I was 215 with 12% b.f. at 5'9"! I also trained my ass off!

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Re: What are the purpose of Pro-Hormones?
« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2013, 08:50:45 AM »
they come as orals, ppl think theyre less dangerous than steroids, the opposite is true.
they scared to inject so they have the orals, and they been legal blabla, i dont know why ppl take them, theyre very toxic.

however, good gains are possible, theyre the same thing as steroids.

its steroids with legal label on them

Good post right here. Lots of experience with ph early on when they came out. They are just tweaked each time they become banned. I was taking A1-D and ended up pissing blood. It was ugly. But I did gain a bunch of size. Everytime I get an MRI they mention a cyst on my liver, my guess it came from the ph.

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Re: What are the purpose of Pro-Hormones?
« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2013, 11:10:11 AM »
lol

but maybe illweigh176 ;D

spider-man is 165




Good to see your sense of humor is coming around :)

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Re: What are the purpose of Pro-Hormones?
« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2013, 11:13:11 AM »
Good post right here. Lots of experience with ph early on when they came out. They are just tweaked each time they become banned. I was taking A1-D and ended up pissing blood. It was ugly. But I did gain a bunch of size. Everytime I get an MRI they mention a cyst on my liver, my guess it came from the ph.
I once heard a steroid user say that years ago in the gym-pissing blood.  How does that happen?

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Re: What are the purpose of Pro-Hormones?
« Reply #35 on: June 04, 2013, 11:22:42 AM »
I once heard a steroid user say that years ago in the gym-pissing blood.  How does that happen?

Not sure exactly what causes it but I remember my kidneys feeling like a truck was driving through them. I am talking 1/2 piss and 1/2 blood. Not just a few drops here and there. It happened all at once too. I stopped immediately and it cleared up in about 10 days if I remember right. I was taking quite a bit more than the suggested dose. More is better right?? lol

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Re: What are the purpose of Pro-Hormones?
« Reply #36 on: June 04, 2013, 11:29:06 AM »
Superdrol made me gain strength fast, but the lower back pumps were fucking painful.  Some say it is water, others say it is pain in your kidneys.  Either way a couple weeks on it and I had to stop.
Fizogen made one called ON cycle.  the original was fucking awesome.  My body transformed on it.

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Re: What are the purpose of Pro-Hormones?
« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2013, 11:36:45 AM »
Superdrol made me gain strength fast, but the lower back pumps were fucking painful.  Some say it is water, others say it is pain in your kidneys.  Either way a couple weeks on it and I had to stop.
Fizogen made one called ON cycle.  the original was fucking awesome.  My body transformed on it.
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There have been many great ones on the market. I thought 1-AD (sorry I wrote it wrong above) was much stronger than dbol. ON cycle was another one. The sides from On cycle were not as bad. One of my favorites with basically no sides was the Bodybuilding.com brand "Higher Power" of M1T. I got jacked and minimal water retention. I am not sure what is on the market currently. Since I have a script for cyp I don't mess with orals.

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Re: What are the purpose of Pro-Hormones?
« Reply #38 on: June 04, 2013, 07:08:52 PM »
Yes this is true. All the pro-hormones/ oral steroids that were never brought to the market were all jacked by legal gear from julias vidas book. However their is a diffrence between a pro-hormone and a designer steroid. A pro-hormone converts to a parent hormone and those products are shit, but the designer orals that didn't go through a coversion phase like M1T, superdrol, the very first original halodrol-50 that was sold just for a few weeks were 3 of the most potent oral steroids anybody can use! So many pro bodybuilders use superdrol,M1T, halodrol-50 and ,many inject 1-test cypionate. Many of these products were released legally and just crush the old traditional oral steroids.  I do agree that pro-hormones that have to convert to a parent hormone are crap(in example- ergopharms 1-AD converted to 1-testosterone) it is way better to buy the 1-testosterone undecanoate or better yet if you are not scared to inject just buy the injectable 1-Testosterone cypionate. At that time in 2004 there was a company who made injectable products,of course they told customers to take the liquid with a oral syringe but if you emailed the owner and asked him if the products were ok to inject he said yes! they were in sterile MTC oil and perfectly fine to inject.

I have tried every oral steroid and I have to honestly say the strongest oral steroid I tried was the very original Gaspari halodrol-50 sold at the 2005 Olympia. gaspari ended up changing the formula 3 times but the very first formula was some potent stuff! very similar to anadrol. the gains were just as rapid but the gains were leaner and you felt a better sense of well being. sometimes anadrol makes you a little sick the first few days but not the halodrol-50 it made me feel great and you gained muscle on top of muscle. the shit was crazy. many will say the same about superdrol and M1T both produced insane muscle. M1T put on gains similar to trenbolone.

I guess it also depends on what brand you got as some of the brands were more potent. Alot of the companys had 98% raw materials.Some of the companys did not get as pure of powder and they put out shittier variations of these products. When purchasing M1T,superdrol,halodrol-50 it was way better to spend the extra money and go with the well known supplement brands. gaspari had kneller putting out great product,designer supplements had matt cahill putting out heat. Both were very skilled at what they did and had great powder connections.

yeah i heard good things about halodrol-50, didn't the original one exist way back in the 80's though? also i believe gaspari's making a new halodrol-50 now which is just a supplement, so it's hard to find info on the original. i heard someone's making a clone called h-drol though?

i agree though, lots of hidden gems in the designer steroid market, i'm all for them. i love when new things come out that are effective, but i'm kind of a drug enthusiast so i'd like to try a lot of things at least once. methyltrienolone scares the crap out of me though, dunno if i even want to try that one. apparently there's a methyl nandrolone floating around too which seems interesting.

what do you think of this new SARMs trend?

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Re: What are the purpose of Pro-Hormones?
« Reply #39 on: June 04, 2013, 07:12:42 PM »
Original halodrol-50 was halodrol(oral turinalbol) + madol( pheraplex)

clones called hdrol are every where, but it only has halodrol, no madol, which is the uber strong stuff

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Re: What are the purpose of Pro-Hormones?
« Reply #40 on: June 04, 2013, 10:03:42 PM »
Original halodrol-50 was halodrol(oral turinalbol) + madol( pheraplex)

clones called hdrol are every where, but it only has halodrol, no madol, which is the uber strong stuff

wasn't tbol already illegal by then, though?

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Re: What are the purpose of Pro-Hormones?
« Reply #41 on: June 05, 2013, 05:59:50 AM »
Because at the time you could buy them from GNC, bb.com or any other store and not worry about being busted.
As for minimal gains, not true at all.  Some were legit super strong, toxic yes, but gains were crazy.


back in 1997 and 1998 before the baseball bust on these Pro-Hormones, they were selling them everywhere like hot cakes...hell, high school kids everywhere were buying this shit at GNC and the instant, brief results were amazing...I remember buying Andro-Poppers from GNC and these little pills were so effective for the 4 weeks intake period.

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Re: What are the purpose of Pro-Hormones?
« Reply #42 on: June 05, 2013, 06:10:44 AM »

back in 1997 and 1998 before the baseball bust on these Pro-Hormones, they were selling them everywhere like hot cakes...hell, high school kids everywhere were buying this shit at GNC and the instant, brief results were amazing...I remember buying Andro-Poppers from GNC and these little pills were so effective for the 4 weeks intake period.

Yea my buddy was taking those. Said they tasted terrible but worked.

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Re: What are the purpose of Pro-Hormones?
« Reply #43 on: June 05, 2013, 11:06:13 PM »

I guess it also depends on what brand you got as some of the brands were more potent. Alot of the companys had 98% raw materials.Some of the companys did not get as pure of powder and they put out shittier variations of these products. When purchasing M1T,superdrol,halodrol-50 it was way better to spend the extra money and go with the well known supplement brands. gaspari had kneller putting out great product,designer supplements had matt cahill putting out heat. Both were very skilled at what they did and had great powder connections.

Half the time Kneller's formulations had the wrong fucking steroids in them. Even back when Kneller sold steroids under the Red Star of China label I remember he sold tren as masteron.
The steroids sold under Gaspari contained the wrong steroid many times. Many of the other non-hormonal Gaspari supps were spiked with illegal ingredients. I was reminded of this just now reading Patrick Arnold's comments on Facebook. Kneller doesn't work for Gaspari anymore as far as I know, but supposedly, and I would trust PA, Gaspari's current product, Detonate, contains an
illegal meth analogue. Plasmajet contained a Viagra analogue.

Lots of scumbags in this industry. Even if Kneller had great "powder connections" you still didn't know what the fuck you were ingesting.

http://www.ergo-log.com/orastanatest.html

I once heard a steroid user say that years ago in the gym-pissing blood.  How does that happen?

Probably a burst blood vessel from jacking off too much. Seriously. Or eating beets or whatever.

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Re: What are the purpose of Pro-Hormones?
« Reply #44 on: June 05, 2013, 11:49:22 PM »
LOL, Patrick linked to a thread on thermolife forums and I see "duchaine" posting some funny
shit about scumbag Kneller.

Example:
http://www.thermolife.com/forum/post40637-203/
http://www.thermolife.com/forum/post40649-209/

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Re: What are the purpose of Pro-Hormones?
« Reply #45 on: June 06, 2013, 12:04:20 AM »
Yes this is true. All the pro-hormones/ oral steroids that were never brought to the market were all jacked by legal gear from julias vidas book. However their is a diffrence between a pro-hormone and a designer steroid. A pro-hormone converts to a parent hormone and those products are shit, but the designer orals that didn't go through a coversion phase like M1T, superdrol, the very first original halodrol-50 that was sold just for a few weeks were 3 of the most potent oral steroids anybody can use! So many pro bodybuilders use superdrol,M1T, halodrol-50 and ,many inject 1-test cypionate. Many of these products were released legally and just crush the old traditional oral steroids.  I do agree that pro-hormones that have to convert to a parent hormone are crap(in example- ergopharms 1-AD converted to 1-testosterone) it is way better to buy the 1-testosterone undecanoate or better yet if you are not scared to inject just buy the injectable 1-Testosterone cypionate. At that time in 2004 there was a company who made injectable products,of course they told customers to take the liquid with a oral syringe but if you emailed the owner and asked him if the products were ok to inject he said yes! they were in sterile MTC oil and perfectly fine to inject.

I have tried every oral steroid and I have to honestly say the strongest oral steroid I tried was the very original Gaspari halodrol-50 sold at the 2005 Olympia. gaspari ended up changing the formula 3 times but the very first formula was some potent stuff! very similar to anadrol. the gains were just as rapid but the gains were leaner and you felt a better sense of well being. sometimes anadrol makes you a little sick the first few days but not the halodrol-50 it made me feel great and you gained muscle on top of muscle. the shit was crazy. many will say the same about superdrol and M1T both produced insane muscle. M1T put on gains similar to trenbolone.

I guess it also depends on what brand you got as some of the brands were more potent. Alot of the companys had 98% raw materials.Some of the companys did not get as pure of powder and they put out shittier variations of these products. When purchasing M1T,superdrol,halodrol-50 it was way better to spend the extra money and go with the well known supplement brands. gaspari had kneller putting out great product,designer supplements had matt cahill putting out heat. Both were very skilled at what they did and had great powder connections.

Injectable 1-T cyp was killer. I have tried almost all of that stuff, and they mostly worked like mad. I do believe at times in the past there was a little bit more to some of those supps than was listed on the label. Those Ergopharm nasal sprays were very solid for example.

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Re: What are the purpose of Pro-Hormones?
« Reply #46 on: June 06, 2013, 01:12:58 AM »
Half the time Kneller's formulations had the wrong fucking steroids in them. Even back when Kneller sold steroids under the Red Star of China label I remember he sold tren as masteron.
The steroids sold under Gaspari contained the wrong steroid many times. Many of the other non-hormonal Gaspari supps were spiked with illegal ingredients. I was reminded of this just now reading Patrick Arnold's comments on Facebook. Kneller doesn't work for Gaspari anymore as far as I know, but supposedly, and I would trust PA, Gaspari's current product, Detonate, contains an
illegal meth analogue. Plasmajet contained a Viagra analogue.

Lots of scumbags in this industry. Even if Kneller had great "powder connections" you still didn't know what the fuck you were ingesting.

http://www.ergo-log.com/orastanatest.html

Probably a burst blood vessel from jacking off too much. Seriously. Or eating beets or whatever.




Well I know the very original Halodrol-50 made by bruce kneller for gaspari was tested by Don catlin at the UCLA Lab and they found the turinabol precursor in it as well as DMT(desoxy methyl testosterone) and it also had a masking agent in it. I don't think bruce fucked with the designer drugs or prohormones he was making for gaspari but I do know he did misslabel some of his red star products. But it is true kneller did travel to china and got his powder connection, knellers wife spoke fluent mandarin as she was chinese. All knellers powders were top quality. I think kneller also put out some shitty bolasterone at one point but I think the misslabeling was before he started making trips to china.

Patrick arnold is better with creating designer steroids and has hook-ups and great raws but he got in trouble over all that balco bullshit and was always getting heat for releasing products where other companys would release the same shit and they wouldn't get fucked with like patrick did. Author L Rea was another guy who had some good powder connections.

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Re: What are the purpose of Pro-Hormones?
« Reply #47 on: June 06, 2013, 01:17:14 AM »
yeah i heard good things about halodrol-50, didn't the original one exist way back in the 80's though? also i believe gaspari's making a new halodrol-50 now which is just a supplement, so it's hard to find info on the original. i heard someone's making a clone called h-drol though?

i agree though, lots of hidden gems in the designer steroid market, i'm all for them. i love when new things come out that are effective, but i'm kind of a drug enthusiast so i'd like to try a lot of things at least once. methyltrienolone scares the crap out of me though, dunno if i even want to try that one. apparently there's a methyl nandrolone floating around too which seems interesting.

what do you think of this new SARMs trend?

well the original halodrol-50 was mimicked oral turinabol wich was used by the east german athletes wich was part of a whole doping scandal run by the government to win gold in the olympics . They used it with the womens swimming team and they all looked like musclar men,just nasty looking and ripped like a male BB. But the halodrol-50 also had DMT in it and a masking agent . It was amazing shit. I have tried just straight british Dragon Oral Turinabol and it worked very well but nothing like the very first run halodrol-50.

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Re: What are the purpose of Pro-Hormones?
« Reply #48 on: June 06, 2013, 01:26:38 AM »
Original halodrol-50 was halodrol(oral turinalbol) + madol( pheraplex)

clones called hdrol are every where, but it only has halodrol, no madol, which is the uber strong stuff

well your right it did mimic oral turinabol and it also had DMT(desoxy methyl testosterone) in it that was like what the very original ergomax LMG by ALRI was. To my knowledge pheraplex was just a 2 ene structure and was not DMT. otherwise when they sub-contracted out to anabolic xtreme they would not of had ALRI make them ergomax LMG wich was DMT and also have designer supplements sub-contract phera-plex to them so they had to be diffrent. There also was a masking agent in the original first run halodrol-50. most of the very first run of halodrol-50 was sold at the 2005 Olympia very few boxes got sold online.

I think Bulk nutrition had a few boxes for a week or so but that was it, then gaspari had kneller take out the DMT and the masking agent and all you had was a Tbol prescursor still very effective but not even close to the original first run.Then gaspari changed the structure again and it was just a herbal type supplement almost worthlesss. Gaspari even had orastan-E wich was like winstrol but Gaspari made a small run of orastan-A wich if you were connected to the company you could get a few cases and a few of Richs friends got some cases but if you called to order Orastan-A they claimed it did not exist.Yet I had a case of it when I called.

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Re: What are the purpose of Pro-Hormones?
« Reply #49 on: June 06, 2013, 01:28:30 AM »
Well I know the very original Halodrol-50 made by bruce kneller for gaspari was tested by Don catlin at the UCLA Lab and they found the turinabol precursor in it as well as DMT(desoxy methyl testosterone) and it also had a masking agent in it. I don't think bruce fucked with the designer drugs or prohormones he was making for gaspari but I do know he did misslabel some of his red star products.

Yes he did. It did contain the wrong compounds. It was mislabeled, a complete scumbag move by Gaspari/Kneller. It's like buying Primo and it containing testosterone and tren too. Sure it might work well but it's beside the point. They are scammers and crooks.

Quote from: Don Catlin
The Halodrol-50 label further states that it contains polydehydrogenated, polyhydroxylated halomethetioallocholane. Catlin described that chemical descriptor as "hocus-pocus." He said the language was outdated and vague and appeared to be deliberately misleading. The label makes no mention of DMT or other anabolic steroids.

"It's obfuscation," Catlin said. "There is no attempt to be clear and concise and to describe the product for what it is."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/29/AR2005112901636.html

Do you think this type of stuff is forgivable?

Author L Rea was another guy who had some good powder connections.

Rea is another fuckhead who spiked his products with drugs many times.

http://www.ergo-log.com/delta6methyltestosterone.html
http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Regulation/FDA-warns-against-Venom-sibutramine-supplements
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/oliveira-suspended-for-illegal-supplement

These guys deserve a severe beating at the least.