does anyone know the effects of carbs, proteins, fats intake insulin levels?

[galeniko]

yeah h

[Big Chiro Flex]

No clue where I've read it but I've seen something saying that any macronutrient can stimulate an insulin response from the pancreas, with the obvious choice of carbs being the most potent stimulators. Fuck me if I can remember where I saw this though.

[njflex]

No clue where I've read it but I've seen something saying that any macronutrient can stimulate an insulin response from the pancreas, with the obvious choice of carbs being the most potent stimulators. Fuck me if I can remember where I saw this though.

'flex'magazine,,

[Big Chiro Flex]

'flex'magazine,,

LOL the moment I start quoting a Flex, pease delete my account. PM'ing you my login details now   

[njflex]

LOL the moment I start quoting a Flex, pease delete my account. PM'ing you my login details now   

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[Nicademus]

This is interesting.  I'd like to know as well.

[Roger Bacon]

[mattikus83]

carbs obviously raise the most, protein raises it as well but to a much lesser degree through a process called glucogenisis , Fats I find less than protein but affect bs levels more by making whatever is in the stomach w the fats digest slower.  Depends on the amounts eaten of course.  I find 10 g of high glycemic carbs raise my bs by @ 45-60 points ( depending on activity levels during ingestion, hydration, ect.)  low glycemic raise my bs roughly the same but a much more gradual curve vs the spike of the former.. Of course everyone is different and react differently albeit similar.  Im not a endocrenologist or in the medical field, these are just my personal observations and research on diabetes and nutrition and as a type 1 diabetic.

[Danny-Boy]

carbs obviously raise the most, protein raises it as well but to a much lesser degree through a process called glucogenisis , Fats I find less than protein but affect bs levels more by making whatever is in the stomach w the fats digest slower.  Depends on the amounts eaten of course.  I find 10 g of high glycemic carbs raise my bs by @ 45-60 points ( depending on activity levels during ingestion, hydration, ect.)  low glycemic raise my bs roughly the same but a much more gradual curve vs the spike of the former.. Of course everyone is different and react differently albeit similar.  Im not a endocrenologist or in the medical field, these are just my personal observations and research on diabetes and nutrition and as a type 1 diabetic.

In order for the your body's cells to properly metabolize, there must be an adequate source of energy..found in the form of ATP..  Gluconeogenesis is an alternative process/pathway that the body uses in order to generate GLUCOSE (When broken down> generates ATP) from non-carbohydrate sources> which are mainly proteins, BUT also FATTY ACIDS! (I can explain Ketogenesis if you like later)  Insulin and Glucagon are constantly battling each other out when your body is in the "FED-State" vs the "Starved State," respectively.  (Think of a seesaw-- one or the other RULES in a given state)                               Insulin (produced via Beta cells in pancreas)  is always present in blood stream.. BUT the ratio to Glucagon is much lower when the body is either STARVED or when the body signals a LOW GLUCOSE level... Glucagon (Starved State) signals many of the body's cell receptors, thus generating a Catabolic effect via secondary messengers via cAMP (cyclic AMP) --> This phosphorylates other enzymes leading to breakdown of body's GLYCOGEN STORES..whether in muscle or other body tissue) and also breakdown of Fatty Acids Chains!! FURTHER, Gluconeogenesis occurs in us all when we first wake up w/ an empty stomach..(Which is why you are always told that it is very efficient to do cardio on an empty morning stomach)              BTW This is a very simplified explanation... ANYWAYS ..Higher Caloric meals composed of a higher ratio of carbohydrates will def be more efficient in catalyzing the release of more insulin......     This is the whole concept of CKD dieting, where higher fat diets at an overall lower caloric state can be more efficient at burning off fat when executed properly    Glycogen Supercompensation on high carb load days can be pretty amazing when sodium is regulated throughout diet.. NOT ELIMINATED!

[Teutonic Knight]

'flex'magazine,,

yeah, real medical publication 

[Danny-Boy]

futhermore, itd be nice to know how long the insulin spikes last, with sugar alone,its fast but goes away fast aswell.

this can be better than long term carbs, under some circumstances.for bbuilders i mean

Duration of "Insulin spikes" are all relative to one's own body cell metabolism, lean muscle mass, and current body-fat conditioning....  where one can be more efficient at utilizing its effectiveness vs simply storing fat like a bear about to hibernate hehe......  At the end of the day...  the real question remains.. are u natural or geared?  coz that will determine efficiency...  Natural bodybuilders should be more concerned w overall calories burned in training vs calories ingested.. a more simple system that works for the majority who does not have a pre-existing thyroid problem/or a giant worm chilling in their gut ..... Macronutrients are then a preference.. are u more inclined/motivated to approx overall calories on a regular basis by just eating lean proteins + supplemental fats? (my preference)   or clean carbs and lean protein .. or junk food w/ OCD maintenance of calorie counting of servings?  Realistic adherence/consistency to all diet choices is the simplified name of the game...How do u feel training w/ each diet?  willing to sacrifice strength for more lines?

[Krankenstein]

yeah how much are insulin levels raised and how does it affect bloodglucose levels if you have:

-only sugars(i know this,foud studies)

-only protein

-only fats

-the various mix possibilities of the obove

this would be really appreciated and interesting.

thanks, i could only find good enough stuff on sugar so far.

You won't find anything set in stone.  The glycemic index is basically the answer to your first thing.  You went very general with your question too.  You would have to get more specific.  Does 100gm of chicken raise blood sugar less than 300gm, if at all?  Chicken vs. steak?  The problem too will come in your statement of "only protein".  Most of the protein sources will have fat in them.  So, unless you want to only experiment with egg whites and protein powder you will not get a true measure.  The same goes for fats.  Best thing to is get a glucose meter (you can get ones that are free with some test strips) and do some pre and post prandal readings.

[_aj_]

Ought to compare also to the insulin effects of fasting. I believe that insulin is maxed during a fast, if the IF propaganda is to be believed.

[Danny-Boy]

Ought to compare also to the insulin effects of fasting. I believe that insulin is maxed during a fast, if the IF propaganda is to be believed.

During fasting, the hormone GLUCAGON dominates (produced by Alpha cells in the Pancreas) .. this occurs w empty stomach in the morning...

[_aj_]

Here's an article from t-nation with surprisingly little information, no recommendations and several biotest product call-outs. YMMV.

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/the_insulin_advantage_how_to_bulk_and_cut_on_the_same_day

[Danny-Boy]

damnm, dannyboy,even though you look like a ladyboy without the drag, youre a very knwoledgaable guy,thanks for sharing, this answered many question for me, but i have some more.

and its explained failry well, with easy non medical terms.

so the bodyfat level and condition overall make an effect too?

means if one is active guy, bad food wont be too bad, while inactive fatso will simply gain fat from the same food?

as for how training feels on what diet, this is secondary to me, ill sacrifice anything-strenght, volume, fulness-for the cuts.

LOL I guess I'll take this as a compliment..Probably as good as it gets down in here in Getbig haha  Being over 30 and still mistaken as a 21 yr old does have its perks i guess.     But to answer your question...    Bodyfat % level does make an emphatic difference!! As you can see how there is a high correlation btw Obese Individuals and soaring rates of Diabetes II.   Here, they still have production of insulin cruising through their blood stream but have defective insulin receptors on surface of cell> Furthermore, is linked to inefficient cell metabolism and Miss Piggy consistent food binges ...  Although I know that I am weaker on lower carb/high protein , caloric deficit dieting..  it has proven to be the most effective for me... Down the line, results are the motivating factor for consistency.. More consistent hardcore-volumized training-> coupled with increased endurance provide a very simple formula   ...

Think of the simple law of thermodynamics....Energy is not destroyed but rather transferred....  THe active individual is more primed in utilizing macronutrients in preparation for physical battle... Food needed as energy... Obese people have adapted to a more primitive bear storage state minus the hibernation LOL

[deceiver]

Carbs stimulate insulin release. Added fats may but do not have to lower insulin response as opposed to glycemic response. That's why chocolate have so low GI but high II.

From what I know different kind of fats affect insulin levels differently with saturated fats having less "blurring" effect to insulin response.

Further reading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin_index
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/74/1/96.full

[Danny-Boy]

was loking for rather academix research and studies, rather than bbuilding site claims, but that link is ok.

Galeniko - what's the underlying question behind your interest in insulin sensitivity?