Is this not a "Death Panel" by the govt?

[Soul Crusher]

http://washingtonexaminer.com/sebelius-wont-waive-regulation-for-girl-with-five-weeks-to-live-someone-lives-and-someone-dies/article/2531097

 

[OzmO]

NO

Because often hospitals have to make choices like these all the time.  that doesn't mean the rule is bad or good and it doesn't mean that in this case something shouldn't be done.  But NOT a death a panel anymore than we are living in a totalitarian, fascist or police state like the other crap you were spewing the other day and commonly do....

Yep............Basic Bull shit spin fear propaganda once again from you know who....

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Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius rebuffed an appeal from Rep. Lou Barletta, R-Pa., on behalf of a girl who needs a lung transplant but can't get one because of a federal regulation that prevents her from qualifying for a transplant.

“Please, suspend the rules until we look at this policy,” Rep. Lou Barletta, R-Pa., asked Sebelius during a House hearing Tuesday on behalf of Sarah Murnaghan, a 10-year-old girl who needs a lung transplant. She can’t qualify for an adult lung transplant until the age of 12, according to federal regulations, but Sebelius has the authority to waive that rule on her behalf. The pediatric lungs for which she qualifies aren’t available.

“I would suggest, sir, that, again, this is an incredibly agonizing situation where someone lives and someone dies,” Sebelius replied. “The medical evidence and the transplant doctors who are making the rule — and have had the rule in place since 2005 making a delineation between pediatric and adult lungs, because lungs are different than other organs — that it’s based on the survivability [chances].”

Barletta countered that medical professionals think Murneghan could survive an adult lung transplant. During the exchange, he also said that the girl has three to five weeks to live.

Sebelius reminded Barletta that 40 people in Pennsylvania are on the “highest acuity list” for lung transplants.

[Fury]

http://washingtonexaminer.com/sebelius-wont-waive-regulation-for-girl-with-five-weeks-to-live-someone-lives-and-someone-dies/article/2531097

 

It is, though the sycophantic Obama drones won't admit it.

Not like they care about how much blood is on this regime's hands. What's another child's death?

[Straw Man]

No, not even close

This is a sad story but this has nothing to do with the Affordable Care Act

If the Affordable Care Act didn't exist this story would be exactly the same

Here's a more "death panel" like story for the right wing to get worked up about (though they won't because this one was done by Repubs so it's perfectly acceptable)

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/News/arizona-transplant-deaths/story?id=12559369#.Ua5sqkC1Fro

[blacken700]

No, not even close

This is a sad story but this has nothing to do with the Affordable Care Act

If the Affordable Care Act didn't exist this story would be exactly the same

Here's a more "death panel" like story for the right wing to get worked up about (though they won't because this one was done by Repubs so it's perfectly acceptable)

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/News/arizona-transplant-deaths/story?id=12559369#.Ua5sqkC1Fro

so the repubs are the death panel party,who would have thought      the stupid party live and well

[whork]

It is, though the sycophantic Obama drones won't admit it.

Not like they care about how much blood is on this regime's hands. What's another child's death?

Another childs death is nothing.

I bet 20 or so will be gunned down in a month or 2.

Love them guns!!

[LurkerNoMore]

Epic whining backfire.

[240 is Back]

I don't understand why repubs will not unite and demand obama be impeached for benghazi or irs scandal.

They could stop some of this other bullshit.

I just don't understand it. 

[Straw Man]

I don't understand why repubs will not unite and demand obama be impeached for benghazi or irs scandal.

They could stop some of this other bullshit.

I just don't understand it. 

might have something to do with actually having to prove a high crime or misdemeanor

I also wish I could say that the Repubs are smart and have learned from the past that trying to impeach Clinton hurt their party more than it hurt Clinton or the Dems but we all know the Repubs aren't nearly that smart

[whork]

I don't understand why repubs will not unite and demand obama be impeached for benghazi or irs scandal.

They could stop some of this other bullshit.

I just don't understand it. 

Because they know its BS.

Instead they are using it to gain votes/discredit the current admin.

Its all in the votes.

[avxo]

http://washingtonexaminer.com/sebelius-wont-waive-regulation-for-girl-with-five-weeks-to-live-someone-lives-and-someone-dies/article/2531097

 

No, I would not call this a "death panel." To be clear, I disagree with the way organ transplants are handled in this country and with the extreme involvement of government in managing them. But this isn't a "death panel."

Ideally such decisions should be made by patients and their doctors on a case-by-case basis. Not by bureaucrats using "one size fits all." But this is a difficult topic - there is a legitimate government interest there and generally speaking we as a society are likely to want some regulation or oversight.

What Sebelius said was accurate - albeit poorly phrased and completely insensitive. Even if the transplant happened and the girl lived, then what? She's just one girl and many people like her die every day for lack of organs. The exemption would not do anything to fix the underlying issue, or even begin to address it. It would just serve to let a bunch of politicins feel warm and fuzzy and brag to their constituents about how they helped save a little girls life - as if they had played some major part.

With all that said, let me get to the important part of my post:

If this really is something you're concerned about, sign up to be an organ donor (it truly is the gift of life and, maybe, the most worthwhile thing some of us will do in our lives).

If this is something you are concerned about, lobby to loosen restrictions currently in place that result in organs not being transplanted.

If this is something you are concerned about, demand that laws currently prohibiting cutting-edge biomedical research and hamper tissue engineering efforts that could one day let us grow lungs so a little girl doesn't have to die.

If this is something you are concerned about, don't forget about this girl's plight – or the plight of others like her – when the twenty four hour news cycle moves on to the next story.

And if you really care about this issue, then please, in the name of anything human still left in you, don't treat this little girl as a pawn to advance a political agenda or to score cheap points on a politics board online.

Oh wait... you already did.

You're a great human being 333386. A truly great human being.

[Soul Crusher]

One of my first clients ever was michael mastromarino - look him up.

No, I would not call this a "death panel." To be clear, I disagree with the way organ transplants are handled in this country and with the extreme involvement of government in managing them. But this isn't a "death panel."

Ideally such decisions should be made by patients and their doctors on a case-by-case basis. Not by bureaucrats using "one size fits all." But this is a difficult topic - there is a legitimate government interest there and generally speaking we as a society are likely to want some regulation or oversight.

What Sebelius said was accurate - albeit poorly phrased and completely insensitive. Even if the transplant happened and the girl lived, then what? She's just one girl and many people like her die every day for lack of organs. The exemption would not do anything to fix the underlying issue, or even begin to address it. It would just serve to let a bunch of politicins feel warm and fuzzy and brag to their constituents about how they helped save a little girls life - as if they had played some major part.

With all that said, let me get to the important part of my post:

If this really is something you're concerned about, sign up to be an organ donor (it truly is the gift of life and, maybe, the most worthwhile thing some of us will do in our lives).

If this is something you are concerned about, lobby to loosen restrictions currently in place that result in organs not being transplanted.

If this is something you are concerned about, demand that laws currently prohibiting cutting-edge biomedical research and hamper tissue engineering efforts that could one day let us grow lungs so a little girl doesn't have to die.

If this is something you are concerned about, don't forget about this girl's plight – or the plight of others like her – when the twenty four hour news cycle moves on to the next story.

And if you really care about this issue, then please, in the name of anything human still left in you, don't treat this little girl as a pawn to advance a political agenda or to score cheap points on a politics board online.

Oh wait... you already did.

You're a great human being 333386. A truly great human being.

[avxo]

One of my first clients ever was michael mastromarino - look him up.

That's pretty cool, I guess. But still not the kind of behavior I approve.

To elaborate a bit more: I don't think it is appropriate or moral to harvest organs from dead people who had not consented to having their organs removed for transplantation. I don't think it's appropriate or moral to profit from such endeavors. And I don't think it's appropriate or moral to give unsuspecting people organs riddled with disease.

I don't remember the specifics of the particular case though, and I don't have the time to refresh my memory. I only remember a few, very vague details about the case.

With that said, if he did help highlight the issue and the need for change in how we handle transplants and how serious the organ shortage we face on a daily basis then at least something good came out of that.

But you still shouldn't be using that little girl - or your previous client - as pawns to score points on an online forum - eve such a forum as getbig.

[George Whorewell]

Whether hospitals "make these decisions all the time" (which is untrue) is irrelevant. The point of the matter is that such decisions will not be made by doctors, or hospitals or individuals themselves anymore.

A panel of nameless, faceless, unaccountable  government bureaucrats have been anointed to make life or death decisions for all of us.

That is a death panel.

Does anyone on this board, whether right or left, have any confidence in the government to act in the best interest of the individual?


All of the sycophants and morons on here can drown themselves in denial or drone endlessly with mental gymnastics and circular logic to rationalize or excuse or use benign terms in place of the phrase "death panel"-- but the truth is inescapable.   



I think America needs to seriously suffer for a while before things change. 

[whork]

Whether hospitals "make these decisions all the time" (which is untrue) is irrelevant. The point of the matter is that such decisions will not be made by doctors, or hospitals or individuals themselves anymore.

A panel of nameless, faceless, unaccountable  government bureaucrats have been anointed to make life or death decisions for all of us.

That is a death panel.

Does anyone on this board, whether right or left, have any confidence in the government to act in the best interest of the individual?


All of the sycophants and morons on here can drown themselves in denial or drone endlessly with mental gymnastics and circular logic to rationalize or excuse or use benign terms in place of the phrase "death panel"-- but the truth is inescapable.   



I think America needs to seriously suffer for a while before things change. 

Do you have any confidence that a private firm who 's purpose is to make money for themselves will act to the best interest of the individual?
(General question)

[avxo]

Do you have any confidence that a private firm who 's purpose is to make money for themselves will act to the best interest of the individual?
(General question)

It will if it's interests align with that of the individual.

[Soul Crusher]

The entire thing started off completely legit and he got greedy. 

That's pretty cool, I guess. But still not the kind of behavior I approve.

To elaborate a bit more: I don't think it is appropriate or moral to harvest organs from dead people who had not consented to having their organs removed for transplantation. I don't think it's appropriate or moral to profit from such endeavors. And I don't think it's appropriate or moral to give unsuspecting people organs riddled with disease.

I don't remember the specifics of the particular case though, and I don't have the time to refresh my memory. I only remember a few, very vague details about the case.

With that said, if he did help highlight the issue and the need for change in how we handle transplants and how serious the organ shortage we face on a daily basis then at least something good came out of that.

But you still shouldn't be using that little girl - or your previous client - as pawns to score points on an online forum - eve such a forum as getbig.

[whork]

It will if it's interests align with that of the individual.

Yup but usually what benefits the individual will cost the company.

For instance health insurance. Denying a service will benefit the company and hurt the individual.

[Soul Crusher]

Yup but usually what benefits the individual will cost the company.

For instance health insurance. Denying a service will benefit the company and hurt the individual.

And you think the govt does not benefit by denying service as well?   LMFAO! 

[whork]

And you think the govt does not benefit by denying service as well?   LMFAO! 

Depends.

In countries with universal health care for instance people are denied services on a much much smaller scale that when its run privately.

Whats with the LMFAO? Pretty unarticulate for a lawyer

[avxo]

Depends.

In countries with universal health care for instance people are denied services on a much much smaller scale that when its run privately.

Whats with the LMFAO? Pretty unarticulate for a lawyer

Universal healthcare is a stupid concept and every country that has adopted such a system is in the boondocks - or quickly getting there. Universal *catastrophic* medical coverage is quite another.

[Dos Equis]

Whether hospitals "make these decisions all the time" (which is untrue) is irrelevant. The point of the matter is that such decisions will not be made by doctors, or hospitals or individuals themselves anymore.

A panel of nameless, faceless, unaccountable  government bureaucrats have been anointed to make life or death decisions for all of us.

That is a death panel.

Does anyone on this board, whether right or left, have any confidence in the government to act in the best interest of the individual?


All of the sycophants and morons on here can drown themselves in denial or drone endlessly with mental gymnastics and circular logic to rationalize or excuse or use benign terms in place of the phrase "death panel"-- but the truth is inescapable.   



I think America needs to seriously suffer for a while before things change. 

Yeah.  I agree.  Sounds like a death panel to me too.

[avxo]

Yeah.  I agree.  Sounds like a death panel to me too.

So in your opinion rules established by doctors about transplants and qualifications for a transplant constitute a death panel? Interesting...

[Dos Equis]

So in your opinion rules established by doctors about transplants and qualifications for a transplant constitute a death panel? Interesting...

Rules established by doctors and enforced by some who are not doctors = death panel.  But hey as Sebelius said, "someone lives and someone dies."  What do we care?   

[Soul Crusher]

http://therightscoop.com/breaking-cnn-reporting-that-judge-grants-order-for-girl-to-get-lung-transplant


Judge intervening