Chambliss: 'Hormones' a factor in military sex assault

[Psychopath]

A prominent US Republican senator has told a congressional hearing "hormone levels" of men in the military allows for the possibility of sexual assault.

Georgia Senator Saxby Chambliss also admonished commanders, saying they were not doing their jobs.

Leaders from every military branch and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff attended the hearing.

It comes after a wave of sex assault cases and Pentagon data showing a rise in cases from groping to rape.

"The young folks that are coming in to each of your services are anywhere from 17 to 22 or 23," Sen Chambliss told military commanders assembled for Tuesday's hearing.

"Gee whiz, that's the level, the hormone level created by nature sets in place the possibility for these types of things to occur. So we've got to be very careful in how we address it on our side."

'Disgust'
The senator added: "But guys, we're not doing our job. You're not doing yours and we're not doing ours with the rates that we are seeing on sexual assaults."


Sen Chambliss' remarks came as other members of the Senate armed services committee expressed concern over the situation.

Senator John McCain said he could not "overstate my disgust and disappointment" over reports of sexual misconduct.

And Senator Kirsten Gillibrand told military top brass: "You have lost the trust of the men and women who rely on you that you will actually bring justice in these cases."

She has proposed that external special prosecutors deal with military sexual assault cases instead of continuing to let military commanders oversee the investigations.

But the commanders opposed any attempt to take away the authority for military leaders to bring charges against members of their own units.

"The legislation... is absolutely the wrong direction to go," said General James Amos of the Marine Corps.

And Army chief of staff General Raymond Odierno said: "We cannot simply legislate our way out of this problem."

Sen Gillibrand's plan is one of seven bills being considered by the committee.

But some commanders said they supported a proposal from Defence Secretary Chuck Hagel that would stop commanders from overturning a military sexual assault verdict.

In recent weeks two military officers charged with curbing sexual assault in their ranks have been arrested for abusive sexual contact.

The Air Force has also been hit with allegations from dozens of female and male recruits that they were sexually harassed or raped by their instructors at Lackland Air Force Base in Texas.

Meanwhile, a Pentagon report released in May said 26,000 military personnel may have been sexually assaulted in 2012.

It said the number of reported incidents rose 6% to 3,374 in 2012, but that thousands more victims were unwilling to come forward

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22777129

[whork]

A prominent US Republican senator has told a congressional hearing "hormone levels" of men in the military allows for the possibility of sexual assault.

Georgia Senator Saxby Chambliss also admonished commanders, saying they were not doing their jobs.

Leaders from every military branch and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff attended the hearing.

It comes after a wave of sex assault cases and Pentagon data showing a rise in cases from groping to rape.

"The young folks that are coming in to each of your services are anywhere from 17 to 22 or 23," Sen Chambliss told military commanders assembled for Tuesday's hearing.

"Gee whiz, that's the level, the hormone level created by nature sets in place the possibility for these types of things to occur. So we've got to be very careful in how we address it on our side."

'Disgust'
The senator added: "But guys, we're not doing our job. You're not doing yours and we're not doing ours with the rates that we are seeing on sexual assaults."


Sen Chambliss' remarks came as other members of the Senate armed services committee expressed concern over the situation.

Senator John McCain said he could not "overstate my disgust and disappointment" over reports of sexual misconduct.

And Senator Kirsten Gillibrand told military top brass: "You have lost the trust of the men and women who rely on you that you will actually bring justice in these cases."

She has proposed that external special prosecutors deal with military sexual assault cases instead of continuing to let military commanders oversee the investigations.

But the commanders opposed any attempt to take away the authority for military leaders to bring charges against members of their own units.

"The legislation... is absolutely the wrong direction to go," said General James Amos of the Marine Corps.

And Army chief of staff General Raymond Odierno said: "We cannot simply legislate our way out of this problem."

Sen Gillibrand's plan is one of seven bills being considered by the committee.

But some commanders said they supported a proposal from Defence Secretary Chuck Hagel that would stop commanders from overturning a military sexual assault verdict.

In recent weeks two military officers charged with curbing sexual assault in their ranks have been arrested for abusive sexual contact.

The Air Force has also been hit with allegations from dozens of female and male recruits that they were sexually harassed or raped by their instructors at Lackland Air Force Base in Texas.

Meanwhile, a Pentagon report released in May said 26,000 military personnel may have been sexually assaulted in 2012.

It said the number of reported incidents rose 6% to 3,374 in 2012, but that thousands more victims were unwilling to come forward

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22777129

Thats a lot of sexual assaults.

How many of them go to trial?

[Dos Equis]

Pretty dumb comment.

[Shockwave]

Pretty dumb comment.

Ageed. Yeah, hormones cause men to rape. For fucks sake. One of two things going on, a moral decline in our nations youth, or a decline in the type of people joining the military. People don't just commit rape because theyre young and horny.

[Dos Equis]

Ageed. Yeah, hormones cause men to rape. For fucks sake. One of two things going on, a moral decline in our nations youth, or a decline in the type of people joining the military. People don't just commit rape because theyre young and horny.

Yep.  Truth. 

[Bad Boy Dazza]

Ban hormones.

[headhuntersix]

Here's the thing. If a classic case of rape comes in front of a military jury, then its almost a 100% conviction rate, all things being equal. The individual gets hammered. If however, there are circumstances such as one side saying consensual sex..date...etc. Then alot of times the juries are hestitant. Take this. In Iraq on my 2nd tour we had our FOB split between the AF and the Army folks. We're a heavy brigade combat team full of tankers and grunts. The AF had alot of mixed MOS's. Nurses, other medical...alot of chicks. Based on alot of Frat our boss put out that they couldn't be in our living area's after dark. The AF chicks would buy army PT gear so they could blend in and continue to visit their hook-ups. I looked at with admiration for their ability to adapt and overcome. But please, there isn't an epidemic of rapes. This is another attempt to neuter the military.

[Psychopath]

Here's the thing. If a classic case of rape comes in front of a military jury, then its almost a 100% conviction rate, all things being equal. The individual gets hammered. If however, there are circumstances such as one side saying consensual sex..date...etc. Then alot of times the juries are hestitant. Take this. In Iraq on my 2nd tour we had our FOB split between the AF and the Army folks. We're a heavy brigade combat team full of tankers and grunts. The AF had alot of mixed MOS's. Nurses, other medical...alot of chicks. Based on alot of Frat our boss put out that they couldn't be in our living area's after dark. The AF chicks would buy army PT gear so they could blend in and continue to visit their hook-ups. I looked at with admiration for their ability to adapt and overcome. But please, there isn't an epidemic of rapes. This is another attempt to neuter the military.

What you mean by "neuter the military"?

[Purge_WTF]

What you mean by "neuter the military"?

To inject it with Feminism, like every other facet of American life.

Let's hear out both sides of each case so that we can rule out the possibility that the women aren't falsely accusing innocent men of a major crime just because their better judgment was clouded by the incredibly stressful environment they were all in at the time; yes, women make dumb decisions too. If the guys did indeed force them to have sex, then they should be punished.

And thanks for your service, H.

[headhuntersix]

Libs hate us. We represent a conservative, tradition based service with direct ties to the founding of this nation. We represent the only fully capable opposition to a complete overhaul of the American Dream to a socialist utopia. They hate that we kill shit and break things. They hate that we have standards that say not everybody is equal. They hate that we discriminate based on ability, that not everybody gets a trophy. Yound people still support Obama because they say that while he's failing, they don't have a job, and the economy sucks..atleast he's trying. In the service, there is no A for effort. You have to succeed. That success may be an 80% solution but u meet the standard and move the fuck on. U
In Ranger school, can't tie ur knots, u get re cycled or dropped. Fail your patrol...done. Marines...can't swim...sorry pack your shit. We have resisted gender norming but its coming. I think people think all we do all day is shoot and do cool military stuff. Half our day is taken up with bullshit classes that came in during Clinton and have gotten worse. Shortly we're doing a sexual assualt stand down day full of classes on that subject. We already have quarterly classes...will more bullshit help. Whats this get you.....marginal performance in Iraq and I guess a loss in Afghanistan.  I was there when we kicked the shit out of Saddam in 03'. I did time in Afghanistan when things were quiet and  we'd pretty much stamped the Taliban. I was there post surge when we'd crushed AQI...and then back in Afghanistan when every friggen day we were loosing our kids because of the gutlss decisions made by Obama and his team.

[headhuntersix]

I think the bottom line for me is that in 20 years of service. I had one direct case of rape of one of my soldiers that was fully investigated by CID and found to be bullshit..individual had a long history of false claims based on mental health issues. Another claim against a former soldier of male on male pushed by the parents and again found to be false. Thats it. Not much else and I've been in 10th/1st AD/1st ID and attached to 173rd and the 82nd ...besides all the smaller units or orgs that aren't fully of combat troops. There is no rape a minute.

[whork]

Libs hate us. We represent a conservative, tradition based service with direct ties to the founding of this nation. We represent the only fully capable opposition to a complete overhaul of the American Dream to a socialist utopia. They hate that we kill shit and break things. They hate that we have standards that say not everybody is equal. They hate that we discriminate based on ability, that not everybody gets a trophy. Yound people still support Obama because they say that while he's failing, they don't have a job, and the economy sucks..atleast he's trying. In the service, there is no A for effort. You have to succeed. That success may be an 80% solution but u meet the standard and move the fuck on. U
In Ranger school, can't tie ur knots, u get re cycled or dropped. Fail your patrol...done. Marines...can't swim...sorry pack your shit. We have resisted gender norming but its coming. I think people think all we do all day is shoot and do cool military stuff. Half our day is taken up with bullshit classes that came in during Clinton and have gotten worse. Shortly we're doing a sexual assualt stand down day full of classes on that subject. We already have quarterly classes...will more bullshit help. Whats this get you.....marginal performance in Iraq and I guess a loss in Afghanistan.  I was there when we kicked the shit out of Saddam in 03'. I did time in Afghanistan when things were quiet and  we'd pretty much stamped the Taliban. I was there post surge when we'd crushed AQI...and then back in Afghanistan when every friggen day we were loosing our kids because of the gutlss decisions made by Obama and his team.

You are a government run service/firm.

You are as far from conservative as you can get.

The military is lib in nature.

Government owned,government run.

[OzmO]

You are a government run service/firm.

You are as far from conservative as you can get.

The military is lib in nature.

Government owned,government run.

How is the military Lib in nature?

Its a country's fighting force, which happens to be filled with mostly conservatives.

By that logic, the presidency and the entire government is lib in nature.

[headhuntersix]

You are a government run service/firm.

You are as far from conservative as you can get.

The military is lib in nature.

Government owned,government run.

Here we go.......explain this..or better yet sift through the threads we've had on this very subject and then prepare to get fucking frogstomped.

[headhuntersix]

Start another thread...don't derail this one.

[Dos Equis]

Here's the thing. If a classic case of rape comes in front of a military jury, then its almost a 100% conviction rate, all things being equal. The individual gets hammered. If however, there are circumstances such as one side saying consensual sex..date...etc. Then alot of times the juries are hestitant. Take this. In Iraq on my 2nd tour we had our FOB split between the AF and the Army folks. We're a heavy brigade combat team full of tankers and grunts. The AF had alot of mixed MOS's. Nurses, other medical...alot of chicks. Based on alot of Frat our boss put out that they couldn't be in our living area's after dark. The AF chicks would buy army PT gear so they could blend in and continue to visit their hook-ups. I looked at with admiration for their ability to adapt and overcome. But please, there isn't an epidemic of rapes. This is another attempt to neuter the military.

Definitely sounds like another example of the media manipulating opinion. 

[bears]

Definitely sounds like another example of the media manipulating opinion. 

even worse.  media manipulating legislation.

[GigantorX]

I read that 50% of the assaults are against males.

I found that interesting.

[Shockwave]

I read that 50% of the assaults are against males.

I found that interesting.

Well. That's what they get for repealing don't ask don't tell. Lulz.

[whork]

Start another thread...don't derail this one.

Fair enough.

[whork]

I read that 50% of the assaults are against males.

I found that interesting.

WTF

Thats sick

[Psychopath]

WTF

Thats sick

The Spartans and samurai were big homo's. Not sure if they raped each other though.

[whork]

The Spartans and samurai were big homo's. Not sure if they raped each other though.

How do you rape a man who is carrying a rifle?

[Psychopath]

How do you rape a man who is carrying a rifle?

I think you have to lock your weapons on base.

Also, I'm no doctor, but once you're raped, you either go basaltic and murderous, or you're so ashamed and humiliated, that you just become a passive bitch who''s essentially neutered.

Either way, call me a conspiracy nut, but i don't trust anything the government pumps out.

[whork]

I think you have to lock your weapons on base.

Also, I'm no doctor, but once you're raped, you either go basaltic and murderous,

Exactly.

There should be episodes where a raped guy shoots the guy who did it afterwards.

 or you're so ashamed and humiliated, that you just become a passive bitch who''s essentially neutered.

Either way, call me a conspiracy nut, but i don't trust anything the government pumps out.