Author Topic: George Zimmerman - Discussion - Guilty or Innocent?  (Read 147458 times)

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Re: Zimmerman Discussion - If he gets off, I will kill someone
« Reply #300 on: July 01, 2013, 09:17:52 AM »
these dudes have "shut down" many a chinese buffet


Yeah, dj181's Vietnamese father operates a Chinese buffet in Cherry Creek that fell victim.

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Re: Zimmerman / Trayvon Trial - Discussion
« Reply #301 on: July 05, 2013, 08:52:09 AM »
over/under on succcessful prosecution ???

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Re: Zimmerman / Trayvon Trial - Discussion
« Reply #302 on: July 05, 2013, 09:09:49 AM »
I was reading an article reviewing the case so far that was basically mocking the prosecution and saying that if Zimmerman wasconvicted that it was politically motivated. I thought it was strange coming from a mainstream source as most of them seemed to havd convicted the guy ready.
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Re: Zimmerman / Trayvon Trial - Discussion
« Reply #303 on: July 05, 2013, 09:13:35 AM »
I was reading an article reviewing the case so far that was basically mocking the prosecution and saying that if Zimmerman wasconvicted that it was politically motivated. I thought it was strange coming from a mainstream source as most of them seemed to havd convicted the guy ready.
They are trying to save face at this point.  The WANTED this to be about race.  They WANTED to perpetuate the myth of black victimization.  They KNOW that it gets people riled up.  Now they have to eat their words or end up looking like the hacks that they are.  People will soon forget that the news networks were all against Zimmerman from the start and so will the networks themselves.

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Re: Zimmerman / Trayvon Trial - Discussion
« Reply #304 on: July 05, 2013, 09:13:51 AM »
They are all white women no?   

florida, maybe all jew women

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Re: Zimmerman / Trayvon Trial - Discussion
« Reply #305 on: July 05, 2013, 09:27:00 AM »
They are trying to save face at this point.  The WANTED this to be about race.  They WANTED to perpetuate the myth of black victimization.  They KNOW that it gets people riled up.  Now they have to eat their words or end up looking like the hacks that they are.  People will soon forget that the news networks were all against Zimmerman from the start and so will the networks themselves.

was reminded how NBC doctored that audio early on, inserted "black" or "black man" something like that...effing media ::)

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Re: Zimmerman Discussion - If he gets off, I will kill someone
« Reply #306 on: July 07, 2013, 03:33:05 AM »
They will start a RIOT


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« Reply #307 on: July 07, 2013, 03:50:14 AM »
Just like white people went around killing every black person when OJ got off?

Oh brother what a bunch of fools who aren't going to do shit.


They'd do it without hesitation if there were no consequences...

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Re: Zimmerman Discussion - If he gets off, I will kill someone
« Reply #308 on: July 07, 2013, 07:25:28 AM »
They will start a RIOT


Interesting...

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Re: Zimmerman / Trayvon Trial - Discussion
« Reply #309 on: July 07, 2013, 09:46:26 PM »
Analysis: George Zimmerman Probably Won't Be Convicted of Murder or Manslaughter -- Here's Why

ANALYSIS by DAN ABRAMS
July 7, 2013

I drew a legal conclusion on "Good Morning America" Saturday that would have surprised the Dan Abrams who covered the George Zimmerman case leading up to, and shortly after, his arrest.

Now that the prosecution's case against Zimmerman is in, as a legal matter, I just don't see how a jury convicts him of second degree murder or even manslaughter in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.

So what happened? How can an armed man who shot and killed an unarmed teen after being told by the police that he didn't need to keep following him, likely be found not guilty of those crimes?

I certainly sympathize with the anger and frustration of the Martin family and doubt that a jury will accept the entirety of George Zimmerman's account as credible. But based on the legal standard and evidence presented by prosecutors it is difficult to see how jurors find proof beyond a reasonable doubt that it wasn't self defense.

Prosecutors are at a distinct legal disadvantage

They have the burden to prove that Zimmerman did not "reasonably believe" that the gunshot was "necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm" to himself. That is no easy feat based on the evidence presented in their case. Almost every prosecution witness was called to discredit the only eyewitness who unquestionably saw everything that occurred that night, George Zimmerman.

The essence of Zimmerman's account is basically as follows:

He spotted Martin, became suspicious, called police, was told he didn't need to follow him, was only out of his car to give the authorities an address, was jumped and then pummeled by Martin and as he was being punched and having his head knocked into the ground, Martin went for Zimmerman's firearm and Zimmerman shot him once in the chest.

The prosecution, on the other hand, called 38 witnesses to try to show: Zimmerman was a wannabe cop who regularly reported black strangers in his neighborhood; initiated and was at least at one point, on top during the encounter; that Zimmerman's injuries were minor and that many aspects of his accounts to the police and media were inconsistent and/or lies.

For a moment, lets put aside the fact that many of the prosecution witnesses seemed to help Zimmerman in one way or another.

As a legal matter, even if jurors find parts of Zimmerman's story fishy, that is not enough to convict. Even if they believe that Zimmerman initiated the altercation, and that his injuries were relatively minor, that too would be insufficient evidence to convict. Prosecutors have to effectively disprove self defense beyond a reasonable doubt. So what exactly would that mean based on the facts as we know them?

Let's take a hypothetical, but realistic, scenario whereby jurors don't believe Zimmerman when he says he wasn't following Martin (the lead detective who seemed to find Zimmerman's account credible had a problem with this part of Zimmerman's account).

Let's also assume they believe Zimmerman approached Martin and it is only because Zimmerman was tailing Trayvon Martin that a fight ensued. First of all, the fact that there was a fight at all makes a murder conviction difficult. To win a murder conviction, they have to show he had the intent to kill and did so with "depraved mind, hatred, malice, evil intent or ill will."

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Re: Zimmerman / Trayvon Trial - Discussion
« Reply #310 on: July 07, 2013, 09:59:36 PM »
I was reading an article reviewing the case so far that was basically mocking the prosecution and saying that if Zimmerman wasconvicted that it was politically motivated. I thought it was strange coming from a mainstream source as most of them seemed to havd convicted the guy ready.
They are trying to save face at this point.  The WANTED this to be about race.  They WANTED to perpetuate the myth of black victimization.  They KNOW that it gets people riled up.  Now they have to eat their words or end up looking like the hacks that they are.  People will soon forget that the news networks were all against Zimmerman from the start and so will the networks themselves.

This.

It's been complete bullshit and the news outlets now realize just how poor the entire case is.

Quoting Chaos just for the fuck of it too.



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Re: All Zimmerman crime scene pictures here
« Reply #313 on: July 08, 2013, 02:56:53 AM »




I see 50 Cent has gained some weight!

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« Reply #314 on: July 08, 2013, 03:35:34 AM »
this is whats wrong with youths today look at these fancy boy shoes, you cant do no hard work in shit like this



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« Reply #315 on: July 08, 2013, 04:41:44 AM »
i thought if you were on neighborhood watch duty you were suppose to call the cops or the guardian angels if you saw a suspicious character  ???  in fact i've never seen anyone walking the streets in a neighborhood watch area.   ???

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« Reply #316 on: July 08, 2013, 04:48:13 AM »
i thought if you were on neighborhood watch duty you were suppose to call the cops or the guardian angels if you saw a suspicious character  ???  in fact i've never seen anyone walking the streets in a neighborhood watch area.   ???
maybe zimmerman just enjoyed astrology and then this beeeg neega was looking all suspicious
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Re: All Zimmerman crime scene pictures here
« Reply #317 on: July 08, 2013, 04:48:41 AM »
Ok, I haven't followed this case, bc I wanted to see Cheryl Brown only.  Anyway, Zimmerman got out of a car to confront a teen  ???

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Zimmerman, as an adult in a vehicle, should have driven away! The 911 operator told him that!

He could have prevented the entire incident!

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So he was looking for a confrontation. I thought you just drive by the suspicious character and call the cops or the guardian angels  ???

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Re: All Zimmerman crime scene pictures here
« Reply #318 on: July 08, 2013, 05:00:10 AM »
is this what happen  ???


Guilt or innocence is not the issue. Everyone agrees zimmy killed martin. Was it justified? So far, based on trial evidence ( and not talk radio statements) it doesn't appear to be justified. It looks like zimmy wanted to play hero, chased a boy, grabbed the boy, got his ass handed back to him, (on the grass, outside neighbors windows) and shot martin.

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Re: All Zimmerman crime scene pictures here
« Reply #319 on: July 08, 2013, 05:32:31 AM »
Self-Defence

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Re: All Zimmerman crime scene pictures here
« Reply #320 on: July 08, 2013, 10:09:06 AM »
Self-Defence

You need to grow some balls horns, bitch, and defend sweden from the invading arabs and africans.  don't concern yourself with the states.  

 

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« Reply #321 on: July 08, 2013, 10:09:28 AM »

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« Reply #322 on: July 08, 2013, 10:13:52 AM »

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« Reply #323 on: July 08, 2013, 10:14:51 AM »
Their fathers must be proud.  

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Re: All Zimmerman crime scene pictures here
« Reply #324 on: July 08, 2013, 10:20:36 AM »
I'm sure their fathers are in prison for moon shining. Nails is a troll that always seems to slip below the radar.


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