George Zimmerman - Discussion - Guilty or Innocent?

[Shockwave]

What are you in some higher class of getbig? Who the fuck is the ''we'' you speak of you smug asshole? This thread is an outrage.

Lol.

Clearly you missed the sarcasm, I was laying it on pretty thick.

[Coach is Back!]

He's not white champ.

Tell that to the ones that will riot if he's acquitted.

[cswol]

All I know is if a person in any other city in America stalked a 16 yr old and shot him, that's murder in first degree nothing else!

[tonymctones]

All I know is if a person in any other city in America stalked a 16 yr old and shot him, that's murder in first degree nothing else!

lol "stalked"

[Parker]

I wonder what would have happened if Trayvon had said to Zimmerman, "Stop following me. Stay  right there, I'm going to call the police...stay right there."

And as Trayvon is on the phone (because we know 17 yr old boys would calmly call the police)...Zimmerman is waiting as Trayvon is giving a description to 911 of his "stalker".

[Kwon_2]

INNOCENT OF COURSE!

Self-defence

[tonymctones]

I wonder what would have happened if Trayvon had said to Zimmerman, "Stop following me. Stay  right there, I'm going to call the police...stay right there."

And as Trayvon is on the phone (because we know 17 yr old boys would calmly call the police)...Zimmerman is waiting as Trayvon is giving a description to 911 of his "stalker".

trayvon probably did exactly what any idiotic teenager who feels they are 10 feet tall and bullet proof would do and confront zimmerman.

Its what I would have done when I was younger

not saying trayvon got what he deserved but if he confronted zimmerman and an altercation ensued that he started zimmerman should walk.

[Kwon_2]

Trayvon was walking home with SKITTLES and zimmerman the fucking neighborhood watch is out there with a GUN. Zimmerman is the reason he's dead. He brought the situation into play. He has the guise of doing the right thing by confronting this ''suspicious person'' armed with fucking nothing. If you don't think that's fucked up there is something wrong with you. Do you even understand this was the end of this kids life? I hope Zimmerman gets his head beat in mercilessly.

In court he gets away with it. Im sure he had probable cause or what the fuck ever you want to call confronting someone with a deadly weapon and killing them.

An eegul walks around in your neighbourhood/gated community late at night, of course you will confront him, even if you're not belonging to a neighbour hood watch or not.

[Nomad]

Guilty of being a fat dumbass tryhard.

[Kwon_2]

If the young thug didn't start to attack and assault the poor Mexican, you can be sure there would be no killing at all.
He had himself to blame for attacking him.

If Zimmerfella had caught Goodrum for example, nothing bad would have happened.

Goodrum would've just started talking about his Caliber Fitness, that Queen Vissy has become too homely for his taste etc and reminiscing his old posedown with Billy Tankgunns.

[240 is Back]

Whatever isn't going to cause a riot. The defense destroyed the prosecution but they'll find him guilty of something even though its not warranted. He didn't break any laws, the only thing he's guilty of is being stupid....and oh yeah, white.

agreed he's stupid.  But I dont think race matters that much.  It matters to people that watch cable news, it matters to cable news, it matters to some people who feel strongly about race. 

But youre right, no riots.  And I think zimm will be convicted of manslaughter ONLY because they feel he's a danger to society.  THey can't list what law he broke, but they don't want him toting guns and chasing down THEIR kids in 5 years.   And 5/6 of the jurors are mothers.  So I think they'll just say "whatever the law says, I don't care, let's just keep this wild dude off the streets for 5 years"


There is NOBODY down there with signs or megaphones or anything else.  people in FL are lazy and just don't care, and it's July... it's HOT.  You'll have morons down here to be on tv, but nationwide race riots, no way.

[6 Reps]

Guilty.

He started the entire situation, he started the fight, he then shot a kid who did nothing but walk home with Skittles.

Guilty.

But, I think he'll walk.

I agree.  I think he's guilty, but I think he gets acquitted.

[Roger Bacon]

An eegul walks around in your neighbourhood/gated community late at night, of course you will confront him, even if you're not belonging to a neighbour hood watch or not.

I have before, I'm no George Zimmerman but I have followed suspicious people and called the police..  We have great local PD, they're always quick.

[Parker]

trayvon probably did exactly what any idiotic teenager who feels they are 10 feet tall and bullet proof would do and confront zimmerman.

Its what I would have done when I was younger

not saying trayvon got what he deserved but if he confronted zimmerman and an altercation ensued that he started zimmerman should walk.

Exactly. But, Trayvon felt threatened. Zimmerman was the one who initiated the confrontation thru his own actions.

[Roger Bacon]

 

Exactly. But, Trayvon felt threatened. Zimmerman was the one who initiated the confrontation thru his own actions.

Sad, but you can't attack people regardless.

[240 is Back]

Exactly. But, Trayvon felt threatened. Zimmerman was the one who initiated the confrontation thru his own actions.

if he truly believed trayvon was on drugs and carrying a gun, he did everything he could to create a SHOWDOWN by jumping out of truck and chasing him.

Trayvon showed ZERO threat to him as he took off running 2 blocks to get away.  Zimm told police he thought trayvon was on drugs and had his hand on something in his waistband.

Zimmerman got what he wanted - an armed showdown with what he considered a bad guy.  That's dangerous shit.  Jury might just say "i don't want that dude patrolling my neighborhoods, letting lead fly anytime he feels like chasing a high school junior.  

Like, they'll lock him up because he's stupid and dangerous.  It's de facto (how the world wants) not de jure (by the law).    It's reality in society.  OJ didn't get 35 years for robbery, he got 35 years to make up for the murders he beat.

[240 is Back]

Sad, but you can't attack people regardless.

In florida, YOU YOU CAN pre-emptively attack people if you feel threatened.  

if man with gun chases me two blocks in teh rain, i CAN, under FL law, shoot him.  I can make up a reason "i have heart disease in my family and I thought I'd die in a fight and I thought he would attack me".  It's true.. I sat thru a FL permit class with a buddy on the day zimmerman was indicted, months ago, and they made that very clear - - - an old lady can shoot a bodybuidler following her out of fear.  That Bber would have a LOT harder time proving to the jury that he thought the old lady was coming after him.  It's a VERY sketchy part of Fl law.  

In other words, trayvon would have probably beaten the rap if he picked up a brick and killed zimmerman with a blow to the head.   SERIOUSLY.  "I was scared, this dude who ended up having a gun was swearing and chased me two blocks in the rain.  I hid in the bushes but he tracked me down and I feared for my life.  Throwing a punch was probably fine too - if I run two blocks to escape you, and you corner me with a gun, you're going down.  it's the law.

[240 is Back]

people aren't perfect.  the law isn't perfect.

Nobody here can deny zimmerman is dangerous (history of violence - two serious charges before this one).  
Nobody here can deny he's stupid (he ran into dark alley to confront dude he thought was high/armed before police could).

The jury is 6 women, and 5 are mothers.  They have to LIVE IN SANFORD with zimmerman after trial ends.  I think we ALL know that zimmerman will be armed exactly 5 mintues after he exits courthouse.  His team has already said he won't be safe, ever, thanks to the trial.  Hello, paranoia!  Do the jurors just convict on manslaughter to keep him off the street, away from guns, for a few years to grow up?  I think they do.  I'm not condoning it, I'm looking at situation and predicting what I think they'll do.  Agg assault or manslaughter - either way he isn't wearing twin glock 27s in one week, getting his cardio chasing high schoolers he doesn't like the looks of.  

[Roger Bacon]

In florida, YOU YOU CAN pre-emptively attack people if you feel threatened.  

if man with gun chases me two blocks in teh rain, i CAN, under FL law, shoot him.  I can make up a reason "i have heart disease in my family and I thought I'd die in a fight and I thought he would attack me".  It's true.. I sat thru a FL permit class with a buddy on the day zimmerman was indicted, months ago, and they made that very clear - - - an old lady can shoot a bodybuidler following her out of fear.  That Bber would have a LOT harder time proving to the jury that he thought the old lady was coming after him.  It's a VERY sketchy part of Fl law.  

In other words, trayvon would have probably beaten the rap if he picked up a brick and killed zimmerman with a blow to the head.   SERIOUSLY.  "I was scared, this dude who ended up having a gun was swearing and chased me two blocks in the rain.  I hid in the bushes but he tracked me down and I feared for my life.  Throwing a punch was probably fine too - if I run two blocks to escape you, and you corner me with a gun, you're going down.  it's the law.

I don't buy it in this situation...  Zimmerman had every reason to be following Martin.  Shouldn't have put himself in danger though, and definitely shouldn't have taken a gun into the situation.

[240 is Back]

I don't buy it in this situation...  Zimmerman had every reason to be following Martin.  Shouldn't have put himself in danger though, and definitely shouldn't have taken a gun into the situation.

He lived in the opposite direction.  He wasn't acting in capacity of neighborhood watch (he was armed and not on duty). 

he mistook trayvon for a punk a-hole bike thief.  Scared him into running then chased him.  Terrorized him.  His "every reason" was incorrect profiling.  He thought he was a bike thief, he was incorrect.

I mean, I can chase an old lady or a 9 year old down the road then just say "Hey, i have EVERY RIGHT TO CHASE THEM!"

But they have every right to walk down the road without having someone scare the shit out of them.

[arce1988]

  Guilty of murder.

[andreisdaman]

For those who think he is not guilty of a crime, does the idea that he started the fight, then shot the person he started the fight with, does that factor in at all?

If it doesn't factor, then why not start making dueling legal again, except you can start the duel, the person never agree to it, and murder them anyway.

Extremely good point..how can you start a fight, get your ass whipped, then shoot the kid because he handed your ass to you???....Teenagers are so fast and agile...its hard to beat them in a fight...stopping a guy who was not in the process of committing a crime is going to lead to problems....this is why he should be convicted of something

[andreisdaman]

Fat paco is dead either way

HIs face is burned in the minds of every black person

The second they see his lard ass walking on the street they will beat him to a bloody pulp and say he tired to play neighborhood watch again

HE is better off asking for  some time in jail he will be safer there

LOL @ "Fat Paco"

[andreisdaman]

The whole trial was a farce played out for the media.

so is your head

[andreisdaman]

Trayvon was walking home with SKITTLES and zimmerman the fucking neighborhood watch is out there with a GUN. Zimmerman is the reason he's dead. He brought the situation into play. He has the guise of doing the right thing by confronting this ''suspicious person'' armed with fucking nothing. If you don't think that's fucked up there is something wrong with you. Do you even understand this was the end of this kids life? I hope Zimmerman gets his head beat in mercilessly.

In court he gets away with it. Im sure he had probable cause or what the fuck ever you want to call confronting someone with a deadly weapon and killing them.

this is where I say Zim is guilty..you can't go around confronting citizens who have done nothing and then exonerate yourself from any consequences which may occur afterwards