George Zimmerman - Discussion - Guilty or Innocent?

[andreisdaman]

Innocent.

Florida law says you are allowed to defend yourself with your gun if you are in danger. Like it or not, Travon engaged in a fight and paid the ultimate price. He was not in defense mode, he was in offense mode.

okay so I can "confront" your mother who walking down the street minding her own business and then when she feels threatened and hits me because she wants to get away I can pull out my gun, shoot her, then claim "self defense" because she hit me in the head with her purse???

[Coach is Back!]

okay so I can "confront" your mother who walking down the street minding her own business and then when she feels threatened and hits me because she wants to get away I can pull out my gun, shoot her, then claim "self defense" because she hit me in the head with her purse???

What law did he break? This goes right back to that it doesnt make a difference what the law says. Its literally black and white.

[andreisdaman]

All I know is if a person in any other city in America stalked a 16 yr old and shot him, that's murder in first degree nothing else!

agreed

[andreisdaman]

trayvon probably did exactly what any idiotic teenager who feels they are 10 feet tall and bullet proof would do and confront zimmerman.

Its what I would have done when I was younger

not saying trayvon got what he deserved but if he confronted zimmerman and an altercation ensued that he started zimmerman should walk.

This is the most significant thing you have ever said....

Zim was the adult in the situation.....he should have handled the situation better....you can't expect a kid to act rationally like an adult....also, again..if someone is following you, at what point do you decide to take action?..or am I supposed to wait until the follower gets the jump on me???

[andreisdaman]

An eegul walks around in your neighbourhood/gated community late at night, of course you will confront him, even if you're not belonging to a neighbour hood watch or not.

you idiotic fuck...Trayvon was staying there with his father so thereby he lived there

[andreisdaman]

If the young thug didn't start to attack and assault the poor Mexican, you can be sure there would be no killing at all.
He had himself to blame for attacking him.

If Zimmerfella had caught Goodrum for example, nothing bad would have happened.

Goodrum would've just started talking about his Caliber Fitness, that Queen Vissy has become too homely for his taste etc and reminiscing his old posedown with Billy Tankgunns.

except we only have Zimmerdumb's word that Trayvon attacked him first...no one knows for sure

[andreisdaman]

Exactly. But, Trayvon felt threatened. Zimmerman was the one who initiated the confrontation thru his own actions.

YEP

[andreisdaman]

I don't buy it in this situation...  Zimmerman had every reason to be following Martin.  Shouldn't have put himself in danger though, and definitely shouldn't have taken a gun into the situation.

and the reason he had every reason to follow Martin is???

[andreisdaman]

He lived in the opposite direction.  He wasn't acting in capacity of neighborhood watch (he was armed and not on duty). 

he mistook trayvon for a punk a-hole bike thief.  Scared him into running then chased him.  Terrorized him.  His "every reason" was incorrect profiling.  He thought he was a bike thief, he was incorrect.

I mean, I can chase an old lady or a 9 year old down the road then just say "Hey, i have EVERY RIGHT TO CHASE THEM!"

But they have every right to walk down the road without having someone scare the shit out of them.

This is true....profiled then terrorized him, making Trayvon believe he was in danger

[Coach is Back!]

What law did he break? This goes right back to that it doesnt make a difference what the law says. Its literally black and white.

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[andreisdaman]

What law did he break? This goes right back to that it doesnt make a difference what the law says. Its literally black and white.

so that means I can initiate a confrontation with you, shoot you then claim self defense..you don't see anything wrong with that???

[Roger Bacon]

this is where I say Zim is guilty..you can't go around confronting citizens who have done nothing and then exonerate yourself from any consequences which may occur afterwards

You can't assault and threaten someone's life for "confronting" you.

[Roger Bacon]

He lived in the opposite direction.  He wasn't acting in capacity of neighborhood watch (he was armed and not on duty). 

he mistook trayvon for a punk a-hole bike thief.  Scared him into running then chased him.  Terrorized him.  His "every reason" was incorrect profiling.  He thought he was a bike thief, he was incorrect.

I mean, I can chase an old lady or a 9 year old down the road then just say "Hey, i have EVERY RIGHT TO CHASE THEM!"

But they have every right to walk down the road without having someone scare the shit out of them.

Other neighbors also described him as looking of place, and acting strange.  He was cutting through yards which is definitely suspicious.

Instead of resorting to animalistic behavior,  Martin should have answered him, or walked on (down the sidewalk).  Not assault someone whose capable of defending their life with deadly force.

[Rami]

So to sum it up.

A criminal is held as a hero, and a man defending himself against this criminal is having that held against him in court.

[Parker]

So to sum it up.

A wayward minor is held as a hero, and a grown man with a criminal record defending himself against this wayward minor is having that held against him in court.

Fixed...for the truth.

[G_Thang]

Extremely good point..how can you start a fight, get your ass whipped, then shoot the kid because he handed your ass to you???....Teenagers are so fast and agile...its hard to beat them in a fight...stopping a guy who was not in the process of committing a crime is going to lead to problems....this is why he should be convicted of something

For those who think he is not guilty of a crime, does the idea that he started the fight, then shot the person he started the fight with, does that factor in at all?

If it doesn't factor, then why not start making dueling legal again, except you can start the duel, the person never agree to it, and murder them anyway.

2 Solid Posts.

[Parker]

Other neighbors also described him as looking of place, and acting strange.  He was cutting through yards which is definitely suspicious.

Instead of resorting to animalistic behavior,  Martin should have answered him, or walked on (down the sidewalk).  Not assault someone whose capable of defending their life with deadly force.

You are talking about a 17 yr old...and how was he supposed to know that Zimmerman had a gun?
Maybe Zimmerman thought that having that gun gave him his "Sheriff's Badge" of courage aka balls.
Imagine how the scenario would have played out, if he didn't have the gun?
Zimmerman would have had his ass handed to him, and then he would have called the police. The. The police would find Trayvon, find out he is 17, laugh at Zimmerman and tell him that since Trayvon is a minor, he cannot be charged as an adult, and it must be taken to juvenile court. All the while he has to deal with shame of having been beat up by a 17 yr old.

[Powerlift66]

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[Parker]

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because that was a robbery/murder and this isn't.
Both resulted in murder. But, one was a robbery. Both are terrible.

[G_Thang]

You are talking about a 17 yr old...and how was he supposed to know that Zimmerman had a gun?
Maybe Zimmerman thought that having that gun gave him his "Sheriff's Badge" of courage aka balls.
Imagine how the scenario would have played out, if he didn't have the gun?
Zimmerman would have had his ass handed to him, and then he would have called the police. The. The police would find Trayvon, find out he is 17, laugh at Zimmerman and tell him that since Trayvon is a minor, he cannot be charged as an adult, and it must be taken to juvenile court. All the while he has to deal with shame of having been beat up by a 17 yr old.

The gun gave him heart and made him an aggressor.  He doesn't get out the car without the gun.  Instead, he makes the NORMAL neighborhood watch call to the police.  The police stop Trayvon and find out he is just one of the neighborhood kids.  If he smells like weed, then he goes to Juvy.  Hence, we'd be posting about Aaron Hernandez instead.  

I'm waiting for the idiots to go off on that case saying, the spic killed a black, but he's married to a black, all of boys are black, and his shooter, lopez, is half black/latin.  

the latin/black wars are upon us.  

[polychronopolous]

 Guilty of murder.

A muderer who calls the police before commiting the crime.

Now it's clear to see how you were so easily duped into sitting in traffic and the airport all day long by a fictional Internet character.

[Parker]

The gun gave him heart and made him an aggressor.  He doesn't get out the car without the gun.  Instead, he makes the NORMAL neighborhood watch call to the police.  The police stop Trayvon and find out he is just one of the neighborhood kids.  If he smells like weed, then he goes to Juvy.  Hence, we'd be posting about Aaron Hernandez instead.  

I'm waiting for the idiots to go off on that case saying, the spic killed a black, but he's married to a black, all of boys are black, and his shooter, lopez, is half black/latin.  

the latin/black wars are upon us.  

Exactly...

[Powerlift66]

because that was a robbery/murder and this isn't.

Like that matters? If this were 3 white guys, killing a black girl, it would be all over the liberal news.

This never hit the news either?? I wonder why...

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/classics/christian-newsom/they-did-some-really-nasty-things.html

[Parker]

Like that matters? If this were 3 white guys, killing a black girl, it would be all over the liberal news.

This never hit the news either?? I wonder why...

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/classics/christian-newsom/they-did-some-really-nasty-things.html

uh, it does matter...one is categorized as a robbery...the perps had the intention of taking something. Zimmerman was playing cowboy or should we say "cops and robbers", and Trayvon didn't know he was volunteered to play the robber.
Liberal news? As if there is a difference. The media is one big conglomerate...and there are various agendas afoot. And yes I do agree with you...but, don't be so damn naive! Liberal news my ass, if you believe that ish, then you are just as easily led astray as the black idiots talking about "killing a cracka"...

Chum the water and the sharks will come.

[Kwon_2]

...and there are varies agendas afoot.

"various"