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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1650 on: July 14, 2013, 07:39:21 PM »
This is actually old news from a year ago, but Miami Herald posted up information about one of the witnesses who said Zimmerman molested her for a decade and had been known to be racist. Her name was omitted but Zimmerman’s defense attorneys blocked her testimony or story from entering the courtroom for obvious reasons.

I’ve been too busy with school in the last year to watch the 24/7 MSM news cycles, but I find it appalling that this type of stuff never hit the mainstream. Maybe it did and I missed it, but apparently it wasn’t a big enough deal to hit the casual news viewer.

Here’s the Miami Herald story:

Despite a last-minute rush to the courthouse by the defense to keep a witness’ damaging story out of public view, on Monday prosecutors released a recorded statement from George Zimmerman’s cousin, who said he molested her for 10 years when they were both children, beginning when she just 6 years old.

Dubbed “witness 9,” the woman is 26, lives in Central Florida, and — like most other witnesses in the case — her name was not released. She called investigators several days after the shooting of Trayvon Martin to say that Zimmerman and his family were racists who disliked blacks. The evidence released Monday shows she also called the Seminole County state attorney about three weeks later with more-serious allegations.

She told investigators Jim Post and Jim Rick that her family and Zimmerman’s lived in different states, but inappropriate incidents of a sexual nature took place during annual visits until she was 16. Two years younger than Zimmerman, she said she was scared of him because he was bigger, older and stronger.

She described him as a charmer who made everyone laugh and love him. He was different, she said, when he was alone with her behind closed doors.

When she was 6 and her family was in the process of moving from Louisiana to Orlando, she said, she and her sister were sent to stay with the Zimmermans at their home in Virginia. The children would hang out on sofas under blankets watching TV, and Zimmerman, she claims, would take the opportunity to fondle her and penetrate her with his fingers, even though there were other people in the room.

“That’s my earliest memory of him trying to do things. He would reach under the blankets,” she said. “He was bigger, and stronger and older. I was a kid. I didn’t know any better.”

Defense attorney Mark O’Mara called the accusation a “side tornado that comes with a hurricane” — you have to wait for it to blow over.

“It’s completely irrelevant, and now we will have to waste 50 hours on something that will never make it to a courtroom,” he told The Miami Herald Monday night. “He denies it. He is saying that it never happened.”

O’Mara said he’s now put in the position of having to discredit the woman, by pointing out things like that she tried to sell her story to People magazine. The magazine’s executive editor said Tuesday that no one there ever spoke to her or was approached for such a story.

In her statement, witness 9 said she kept the allegations secret for years because everyone in her family adores Zimmerman.

“He made everyone love him, made everyone laugh and be happy around him,” she said, adding that to her father, Zimmerman was like the son he never had.

But every time the families visited, Zimmerman would grope her behind curtains and touch her inappropriately, she said. Once, when she was about 12, he allegedly made her rub his penis.

She said the last incident took place when she was 16, and the Zimmermans had recently moved to Central Florida, closer to where her family lives. She said he lay down next to her with an erection and began kissing her and rubbing her chest, but she got up and ran out. He chased her as far as the front door but no further, she said.

“I wanted it to just stop,” she said. “I didn’t want to ever have to tell anyone.”

For more info you can hit that Miami Herald link, or google around for ‘Witness 9′. I’ve also got the Dick Cheney Heart Transplant conspiracy theory posted up.
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And it goes further with another website that posted up the information about the witness:
The blogger who revealed the name, address, and photos of a cousin of George Zimmerman, the man charged with killing Trayvon Martin, has carefully guarded his own privacy. Known on the Internet only as “Sundance Cracker,” the anonymous blogger has posted potentially embarrassing personal information about several figures in the Martin case — people who fellow posters at “Cracker’s” website derisively call “Trayvonites.”  The punishment for supporting Martin’s family, or for opposing Zimmerman, who has developed a following on some conservative blogs, is often to have intimate details, including photos, posted to the site.

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1651 on: July 14, 2013, 08:00:07 PM »
Dude...you lost credibility in your first sentence...Trayvon lived in the development with his dad..he wasn't "trespassing" as you put it
Pretty sure he was visiting his GIRLFRIENDS dads house. He did not live there, nor did any of his family. C'mon man.

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1652 on: July 14, 2013, 08:04:37 PM »
Pretty sure he was visiting his GIRLFRIENDS dads house. He did not live there, nor did any of his family. C'mon man.

He wasn't trespassing

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1653 on: July 14, 2013, 08:51:56 PM »
He wasn't trespassing
Agreed, just pointing out that Andre was wrong.

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1654 on: July 15, 2013, 04:32:40 AM »
Agreed, just pointing out that Andre was wrong.

nope.....he was staying with his dad due to issues with mother

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1655 on: July 15, 2013, 05:36:12 AM »
nope.....he was staying with his dad due to issues with mother
correct, but he was on his way to see his gf at her dads house. If ypire going to convict a man, at least get your facts straight.

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1656 on: July 15, 2013, 05:38:06 AM »
nope.....he was staying with his dad due to issues with mother

Ashtray was on suspension for fighting and called Zimm a creepy ass cracker.

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1657 on: July 15, 2013, 05:52:59 AM »
Ashtray did not live there in that community.

"It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about" and "looking at all the houses"

On the day Martin was fatally shot, he and his father were visiting his father's fiancée and her son at her townhome in The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, a multi-ethnic gated community.


If he had lived there, he would not be looking about, and would probably not look as suspicious.

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1658 on: July 15, 2013, 05:54:47 AM »
Ashtray did not live there in that community.

"It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about" and "looking at all the houses"

On the day Martin was fatally shot, he and his father were visiting his father's fiancée and her son at her townhome in The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, a multi-ethnic gated community.


If he had lived there, he would not be looking about, and would probably not look as suspicious.
I stand slightly corrected. But looks like youre still wrong Andre. Lol.

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1659 on: July 15, 2013, 05:55:45 AM »
I stand slightly corrected. But looks like youre still wrong Andre. Lol.

Being wrong is Andres forté :D

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1660 on: July 15, 2013, 05:59:05 AM »
Being wrong is Andres forté :D

Andre and Goodrum are twins in that regard

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Revealed: How taxpayers paid for Justice Department unit to 'support protests after killing of Trayvon Martin'

Documents published online Wednesday by a conservative watchdog group show that the Community Relations Service, an arm of the U.S. Justice Department, spent taxpayer dollars to help organize and implement plans for the initial string of rallies in Sanford, Florida following the 2012 shooting death of Trayvon Martin.

The protests were openly hostile to George Zimmerman, the volunteer neighborhood watch organizer who killed Martin, 17, after a struggle. Zimmerman is currently on trial in a Florida courtroom, charged with second-degree murder.


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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1664 on: July 15, 2013, 07:06:57 AM »
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/14/Oakland-anti-Zimmerman-flag-burn


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What's the point since they will be banging tomorrow?  Wreck NAACP headquarters for once and spray paint Al and Jessie.

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1665 on: July 15, 2013, 07:11:58 AM »
Al and Jesse know their time in the spotlight is coming to an end.  Many of the younger generation cant relate to then anymore. They'll desperately right to keep attention on themselves.
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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1666 on: July 15, 2013, 07:22:23 AM »
The Top 10 Myths Surrounding the Trial of George Zimmerman
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The Top 10 Myths Surrounding the Trial of George Zimmerman




1. Zimmerman was told by police not to get out of his car.

 

Fact: When Zimmerman called police he was already out of his car. Zimmerman never returned to his car even after calling police. While speaking with the 911 operator, the operator asked “Are you following him?” Zimmerman:”Yes.” Operator: “We don’t need you to do that.” At no time was Zimmerman ordered not to get out of his car. The 911 operator has since admitted that 911 operators have no authority to deny a citizen’s pursuit of another while reporting a suspected crime. Also, the 911 operator in this case was not a police officer.

 

2. Zimmerman racially profiled Trayvon Martin.

 

Fact: During the 911 call Zimmerman only indicated what he believed Trayvon’s race was when asked by the 911 operator. He actually answered with a lack of certainty as to Martin’s race. While on the phone with 911, Zimmerman indicated that Trayvon was walking back toward him. At that time he got close enough for Zimmerman to see that he was a black male and so indicated to the operator.

 

Zimmerman’s report to police actually centered on what he thought was the odd behaviour exhibited by Martin. Martin was walking back and forth in the rain while seemingly doing nothing else. Zimmerman believed Martin to be looking at various houses, but we’ve since learned that Martin was in fact having a hands free telephone conversation while Zimmerman was observing him.

 

Zimmerman also reported that he believed Trayvon Martin to be under the influence of drugs. Trayvon’s autopsy revealed the presence or marijuana in Martin’s system at the time of the incident.

 

When asked in a television interview if she believed Zimmerman racially profiled Martin, Martin’s stepmother of more than fourteen years indicated that she did not believe that Zimmerman racially profiled Trayvon Martin.

 

3. Zimmerman used racial slurs while on the phone with 911.

 

At no time did Zimmerman use racial slurs during the 911 call. The only inflammatory language used by Zimmerman was when he stated, “.... these a__holes they always get away.”, referring to a recent string of burglaries in the area, and when he said “.... it’s f__king cold.” As has been stated, the night was a cold and rainy night. The 911 operator stated that at no time did he hear racial epithets from Zimmerman.

 

4. The screams on the neighbor’s 911 call were Trayvon Martin.

 

Although there was conflicting witness testimony during the trial, on the night of his arrest one of the first things Zimmerman told the responding officers was that he was screaming for help, but that nobody responded. When Trayvon’s father listened to the tape he initially indicated that the screams for help were not that of his son. Zimmerman’s neighbors universally stated that they believed the screams were that of Zimmerman.

 

5. The Stand Your Ground Law is to blame for Trayvon Martin’s death.

 

While Zimmerman’s council originally cited the “Stand Your Ground” law as one possible reason Zimmerman did not flee rather than shoot Martin and a hearing on that matter was scheduled, counsel eventually concluded that the encounter was a simple case of self defense and therefore opted not to participate in the Stand Your Ground hearing, but instead opted for a jury trial. At no time did the defense invoke the standard as their case included evidence that Zimmerman actually had no opportunity to flee once attacked by Martin and therefore did not require the protection of that particular legal standard.

 

6. Zimmerman pursued Trayvon Martin as Martin fled.

 

During the 911 call, Zimmerman indicated that Trayvon had turned back toward Zimmerman and even voiced fear of the teen as he insisted that the police get to the scene quickly. In fact, Zimmerman indicated that he was too far away from Martin to identify his race or to accurately identify his clothing. Only after Trayvon walked back toward Zimmerman did Zimmerman confidently identify Trayvon’s race and clothing. Before Trayvon eventually ran away, Zimmerman indicated that Trayvon had in fact, stopped walking several times, turning back and walking toward Zimmerman

 

Once Trayvon fled, Zimmerman continued toward where he last saw Martin. Zimmerman refused to give his full address to the 911 operator stating that he feared the teen might still be close by. Once Zimmerman reached where he last saw Martin, Zimmerman alleges that Trayvon Martin then attacked him. This is the case that police officers believe is supported by forensic evidence, witness testimony, and the officers observations from the time they first arrived and throughout Zimmerman’s interrogation.

 

7. Trayvon did nothing wrong that night.

 

Except for the gunshot wound to his chest, Trayvon showed no outward signs of violence. Zimmerman on the other hand had contusions to his face and abrasions to the back of his head, leading officers to conclude that he’d been punched and otherwise assaulted by Trayvon.

 

Had Trayvon lived the criminal charges filed against him would likely have been trespassing, assault, battery, public disturbance, and being under the influence of a controlled substance. This, of course, is not meant to imply that Trayvon would have been convicted of these charges, but nonetheless there is evidence for each of them.

 

8. The justice system worked as it should.

 

In filing charges directly, the Special Prosecutor ignored the expertise of responding officers as well as their Police Chief, all of whom concluded that Zimmerman acted in self defense. Rather than impaneling a Grand Jury, which is the usual protocol in criminal cases, the Special Prosecutor filed charges herself. Legal experts nearly universally agree that a grand jury would not likely have brought charges against George Zimmerman. By bypassing both the officers and the Grand Jury system, George Zimmerman was subjected to a trial and additional media scrutiny.

 

Since the beginning of the trial Zimmerman and defense counsel have received numerous death threats. Nationwide, countless threats of violence and rioting have been levied by those who believe in Zimmerman’s guilt. The judicial system as manipulated by the Special Prosecutor and as presented by the mainstream media has led to a climate of heightened racial tension and public uncertainty with virtually no evidence that race was a factor in Zimmerman’s report or in the eventual shooting that resulted. Virtually no evidence has been presented that indicates wrongdoing by officers or that race was a factor in their decision making process.

 

9. The police never arrested George Zimmerman.

 

The first responders immediately disarmed Zimmerman and allowed him to receive medical attention on scene as administered by EMTs. Upon the completion of that treatment, officers immediately arrested Zimmerman. Zimmerman was handcuffed and put in a patrol car until he was taken to the police station, still in handcuffs, and then questioned for an excess of five hours. At that time the arresting officers concluded that Zimmerman had acted in self defense and they released him pending further review. His gun was held as evidence.

 

10. Had the prosecution charged Zimmerman with Manslaughter, the jury would have convicted.

 

In Seminole County, Florida a manslaughter charge requires that the prosecution prove an intent to kill. Legal experts almost universally agree that the prosecution failed to prove that Zimmerman intended to kill Trayvon Martin and that doing so was virtually impossible given the evidence.

To hear the actual 911 call made by George Zimmerman CLICK HERE

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1667 on: July 15, 2013, 08:18:31 AM »
So the Martin family hired a black lawyer or she was appointed, not sure who just royally fucked up the case.  Go figure.  Always, always, always hire a Jew lawyer.  ALWAYS!

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1668 on: July 15, 2013, 08:41:23 AM »
this was all planned out, the true story is getting out, trayvons dad is a 33rd degree mason, grand master freemson, it was a set up from day one, after you become 33rd degree mason, this is what you are involved in and carry out.


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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1669 on: July 15, 2013, 08:42:02 AM »

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1670 on: July 15, 2013, 08:44:34 AM »

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1671 on: July 15, 2013, 08:47:19 AM »
So the Martin family hired a black judge or she was appointed, not sure who just royally fucked up the case.  Go figure.  Always, always, always hire a Jew lawyer.  ALWAYS!

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1672 on: July 15, 2013, 08:58:52 AM »

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1674 on: July 15, 2013, 09:19:10 AM »
The prosecutor is a fucking nutbag.  Still calling Zim a murderer.  Bitch can't get it out of her head that she blew the case and was in over her head.