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« Reply #3700 on: April 23, 2014, 09:11:30 AM »
It's true, and can work for everyone, natty or not... As i already explained in the past, being natural, i train with around 60% of max weight for 12-15-20 reps, especially on muscles like arms, shoulders, legs and calves... I am a "pumper" mostly, and i got very good results... I have very good structure and muscle bellies, and maybe i am a volume responder, but i think that this method of training is the best if someone wants to really grow, natural or not... Watch 90% of pros, all pumper, leave heavy weights and injuries for powerlifters...

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« Reply #3701 on: April 23, 2014, 10:42:16 AM »
I always thought of bodybuilders as marathon trainers and power lifters/Olympic as being the sprinters. Let me explain before someone jumps in and talks about how muscular running sprinters are compared to marathon runners. Apples to Oranges when talking about bodybuilding.

Bodybuilders don't train with low sets of low reps for a few exercises. They are using many exercises for high sets. A power lifter might used 5 exercises for sets of 4 and under reps. An olympic lifter might use 7 for sets of 3 to 1 reps. A bodybuilder could use 25 plus different exercises.  I know this is a generalization.

If you look at gymnast who never lift weights but use incredible volume in bodyweight exercises they look incredible. I believe a muscle increases in size two ways. One is strength training. The other for lack of a better term is muscular endurance and that's the way the majority of bodybuilders train. Of the two training for muscular endurance increases the size of a muscle more over pure strength. If getting stronger was the magic bullet in bodybuilding we would all be doing almost every exercise in bodybuilding for sets of 1 to 3 reps to gain maximum strength after warm up.

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« Reply #3702 on: April 23, 2014, 10:43:34 AM »
I don't even like this whole idea of "sets" or "reps" I mean muscle don't understand numbers or anything but exhaustion right?

Why count?

Just go till you can't go no more until you totally fuck the muscle up with no rest.

Rest is big evil in hampering hypertrophy progress (obviously not talking about strength).

What you think about that coach?


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« Reply #3703 on: April 23, 2014, 10:47:56 AM »
Big muscles such as legs,chest & back need higher reps (10 or 15 more).
small ones like arms, 5-8 reps after full pumped.

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« Reply #3704 on: April 23, 2014, 10:50:51 AM »
Big muscles such as legs,chest & back need higher reps (10 or 15 more).
small ones like arms, 5-8 reps after full pumped.

I have only heard the exact opposite for my entire life (I am 37).

Small mucles have more fast-twitch fibers, and respond to higher reps.

But what do I know, I am a powerbuilder.

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« Reply #3705 on: April 23, 2014, 10:54:40 AM »
I have only heard the exact opposite for my entire life (I am 37).

Small mucles have more fast-twitch fibers, and respond to higher reps.

But what do I know, I am a powerbuilder.
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« Reply #3706 on: April 23, 2014, 10:54:59 AM »
Concur

It amuses me when people do same set/rep range over and over again?

Its plain dumb.

You ain't getting anything extra out of those sets you didn't in the first few.

Now take muscle to true fucking failure and its different story.

True failure people have no idea about.

Its not like oh shit I can't do one more rep on the 12th rep, nah bullshit, that ain't shit.

Take my side laterals, I start with 20kilos with shitty form and bang out 10-12, then drop down to the 16 kilos and bang out 10-12, then drop down to 14,s same again, then 10's, then 8's and at the end I am so fucked I have to do rest pause, 3-4 reps, stop few seconds and bang on it.

Whole thing can be like 50 reps.

One set like this and u can even move your shoulder or arms no more.


Then people come and do like 4 sets of 12 reps doing same shit over again and ask why they not growing??

Fucktards

Hate them all

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« Reply #3707 on: April 23, 2014, 10:56:10 AM »

It amuses me when people do same set/rep range over and over again?

Its plain dumb.

You ain't getting anything extra out of those sets you didn't in the first few.

Now take muscle to true fucking failure and its different story.

True failure people have no idea about.

Its not like oh shit I can't do one more rep on the 12th rep, nah bullshit, that ain't shit.

Take my side laterals, I start with 20kilos with shitty form and bang out 10-12, then drop down to the 16 kilos and bang out 10-12, then drop down to 14,s same again, then 10's, then 8's and at the end I am so fucked I have to do rest pause, 3-4 reps, stop few seconds and bang on it.

Whole thing can be like 50 reps.

One set like this and u can even move your shoulder or arms no more.


Then people come and do like 4 sets of 12 reps doing same shit over again and ask why they not growing??

Fucktards

Hate them all


I follow a similar methodology.

It has become a joke to say things like 'shock the muscle'
But I believe there is something to that

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« Reply #3708 on: April 23, 2014, 10:56:29 AM »

It amuses me when people do same set/rep range over and over again?

Its plain dumb.

You ain't getting anything extra out of those sets you didn't in the first few.

Now take muscle to true fucking failure and its different story.

True failure people have no idea about.

Its not like oh shit I can't do one more rep on the 12th rep, nah bullshit, that ain't shit.

Take my side laterals, I start with 20kilos with shitty form and bang out 10-12, then drop down to the 16 kilos and bang out 10-12, then drop down to 14,s same again, then 10's, then 8's and at the end I am so fucked I have to do rest pause, 3-4 reps, stop few seconds and bang on it.

Whole thing can be like 50 reps.

One set like this and u can even move your shoulder or arms no more.


Then people come and do like 4 sets of 12 reps doing same shit over again and ask why they not growing??

Fucktards

Hate them all

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They are extremistic in everything they do, always looking exageratly for attention, and have troubles adapting to society's rules, because they also have troubles defining their own identity and respecting authority and hierarchy.

Also boys who got picked on by others during childhood and adolescence -often sons without a father figure- try to compensate by lifting weights, to develop muscles and survive in ther male world. They re insecure because they re girly, childish, feminine having been raised by a single mom. They lift obsessively hoping it will transform them into men, to compensate for their lack of influence from a father figure that was not there. Unfortunaltey they can get as big as they can it doesnt cure their insecurity and who they truly are, how they grew up being raised by a single mom. They re no as manly as other men whatever they do, and they often have a big lack of masculine presence they dont know how to balance, hence often being borderline homosexuals while trying to get their manhood back thru various manly activities (mma, cars, weight lifting etc). They are often the ones that, in order to get respect from other males will go the steroids route to get even "bigger" attemptint to cure their insecurity , but being natural not being "enough", they still feel "too small", insecure, amongst other males. The lack of a father figure also often means they didnt have guidance to continue studies and are often working shitty manual jobs.

Girls and sons who have not been loved by their fathers seek attention once teens and adults to compensate for what they didnt have originally. Fathers either left them alone, or were distant most of the time and not encouraging them. Some even despised them which would shape their personality and the way they d interact with others for the rest of their life.
They are extremistic in everything they do, always looking exageratly for attention, and have troubles adapting to society's rules, because they also have troubles defining their own identity and respecting authority and hierarchy.

Also boys who got picked on by others during childhood and adolescence -often sons without a father figure- try to compensate by lifting weights, to develop muscles and survive in ther male world. They re insecure because they re girly, childish, feminine having been raised by a single mom. They lift obsessively hoping it will transform them into men, to compensate for their lack of influence from a father figure that was not there. Unfortunaltey they can get as big as they can it doesnt cure their insecurity and who they truly are, how they grew up being raised by a single mom. They re no as manly as other men whatever they do, and they often have a big lack of masculine presence they dont know how to balance, hence often being borderline homosexuals while trying to get their manhood back thru various manly activities (mma, cars, weight lifting etc). They are often the ones that, in order to get respect from other males will go the steroids route to get even "bigger" attemptint to cure their insecurity , but being natural not being "enough", they still feel "too small", insecure, amongst other males. The lack of a father figure also often means they didnt have guidance to continue studies and are often working shitty manual jobs.

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« Reply #3709 on: April 23, 2014, 10:57:29 AM »

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« Reply #3710 on: April 23, 2014, 10:59:49 AM »


High reps and steroids only work when combined with a strict diet of ramen noodles and tuna from a can.

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« Reply #3711 on: April 23, 2014, 11:10:25 AM »
This is an interesting topic. Its the old "many ways to skin a cat" debate. Personally I think a lot of this comes down to genetics and training preference. For example many bodybuilders lean toward the more power building approach (i.e. train heavier, often with low reps) and that is what works for them because it suits their genetics and they enjoy that style more (e.g. Coleman, Columbu, Yates). Other bodybuilders are more cerebral and focus more on "mind in the muscle" using higher reps etc. (e.g. Cutler, Haney, Zane).

My preference is to train heavy and use lower reps - admittedly I'm not training for bodybuilding but I find this training style works better FOR ME in terms of increasing muscularity. But even if a higher rep, high volume style was better for me I would probably still train the way I do, simply because I enjoy it more (don't confuse this with "ego lifting").

But I think Anabolichalo, The Trainer, Alucard and others here who champion the high rep, high volume approach over low rep strength training for MUSCLE MASS are correct. The main reason in my opinion is simply the fact that the body can adapt neurologically to strength training without necessarily increasing muscle size. So if you doing low rep strength movements you can get stronger without getting bigger due to neurological adaptation.

I always thought of bodybuilders as marathon trainers and power lifters/Olympic as being the sprinters. Let me explain before someone jumps in and talks about how muscular running sprinters are compared to marathon runners. Apples to Oranges when talking about bodybuilding.


This is a good analogy because as well as hypertrophy of type II muscle fibers (fast twitch), high rep, high volume training will also lead to some hypertrophy of type I fibers (slow twitch) which will contribute to the overall size of a muscle. The "pump" also volumizes a muscle with the increased blood flow directly bringing water, glucose and amino acids to the muscle.


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« Reply #3712 on: April 23, 2014, 12:19:08 PM »
haha funny,

just got back from the gym

this "big farm boy" type who always grinds out tripples on the bench with 3 plates was complaining to me he fucked his elbow

i said "well.... maybe you ought to consider.... using less weight  ??? "



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« Reply #3713 on: April 23, 2014, 12:21:30 PM »
hit some bicep shots in the mirror

The key to superior leg development.

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« Reply #3714 on: April 23, 2014, 12:29:33 PM »
if you are not hitting front double bicep shots every single workout, you are wasting your time

Trust me, my friend. Not a mirror goes by without some kind of arm-shot.

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« Reply #3715 on: April 23, 2014, 12:52:26 PM »
Hubba-bubba :-X
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« Reply #3716 on: April 23, 2014, 01:00:07 PM »
arnold says you have to visualize the ideal physique so that the mind will tell the body what to look like


if you are not hitting front double bicep shots every single workout, you are wasting your time

Ultimate Warrior said to imagine the body without skin while lifting.

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« Reply #3717 on: April 23, 2014, 01:37:43 PM »

if only i have an enormous manhood, i could marriage her

What language is this?  ???

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« Reply #3718 on: April 23, 2014, 01:41:19 PM »
Rosicrucian's and Milos Sarcev seem to share similar ideas on reps, sets, failure

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« Reply #3719 on: April 23, 2014, 01:43:25 PM »
you have to destroy the muscle to build new one, simple and 30+ reps won't do that ;9 , u have to ''tear'' the muscle tissue in order fot it to repair itself, oh and strength is all about nerves and muscle cell engagement in a movement, each nerve is attached to a certain number of muscle cells, it's called a motor unit, and the more units your body can incorporate during a movement the more weight u can move ...that's what happens when someone starts lifting, the strength comes from the body being able to incorporate more motor units and synchronizing them

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« Reply #3720 on: April 23, 2014, 01:53:13 PM »
I always thought of bodybuilders as marathon trainers and power lifters/Olympic as being the sprinters. Let me explain before someone jumps in and talks about how muscular running sprinters are compared to marathon runners. Apples to Oranges when talking about bodybuilding.

Bodybuilders don't train with low sets of low reps for a few exercises. They are using many exercises for high sets. A power lifter might used 5 exercises for sets of 4 and under reps. An olympic lifter might use 7 for sets of 3 to 1 reps. A bodybuilder could use 25 plus different exercises.  I know this is a generalization.

If you look at gymnast who never lift weights but use incredible volume in bodyweight exercises they look incredible. I believe a muscle increases in size two ways. One is strength training. The other for lack of a better term is muscular endurance and that's the way the majority of bodybuilders train. Of the two training for muscular endurance increases the size of a muscle more over pure strength. If getting stronger was the magic bullet in bodybuilding we would all be doing almost every exercise in bodybuilding for sets of 1 to 3 reps to gain maximum strength after warm up.

Count the reps in a sprint and then count them in a bodybuilder's workout.  Nothing we do is like a what someone training for a marathon does besides maybe carb percentage in the offseason.
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« Reply #3721 on: April 23, 2014, 02:02:59 PM »
Count the reps in a sprint and then count them in a bodybuilder's workout.  Nothing we do is like a what someone training for a marathon does besides maybe carb percentage in the offseason.

You missed my point completely.  A bodybuilding workout is an endurance event in lifting compared to a power lifting workout. A little clearer what I was trying to convey?

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« Reply #3722 on: April 23, 2014, 02:17:56 PM »
you have to destroy the muscle to build new one, simple and 30+ reps won't do that ;9 , u have to ''tear'' the muscle tissue in order fot it to repair itself, oh and strength is all about nerves and muscle cell engagement in a movement, each nerve is attached to a certain number of muscle cells, it's called a motor unit, and the more units your body can incorporate during a movement the more weight u can move ...that's what happens when someone starts lifting, the strength comes from the body being able to incorporate more motor units and synchronizing them

This is not entirely true. Muscle size can increase also through sarcoplasmic hypertrophy. The sarcoplasm is analogous to the cytoplasm of a cell; think of the fluid or cellular matrix that houses the muscle fiber units and other components of muscle cells such as glycogen and myoglobin. Glycogen is the storage unit for glucose and myoglobin is the storage unit for oxygen; by constantly "pumping" the muscle cell with these nutrients over time the sarcoplasm will increase in size to facilitate greater storage and capacity to utilise these fuel sources.

This is the "science" behind the pump increasing muscle size - sarcoplasmic hypertrophy. Note that this form of hypertrophy won't increase 1RM strength and it tends not to happen in isolation i.e. it usually occurs with the traditional way hypertrophy occurs in most peoples minds (myofibrillar protein, where the stressed contractile proteins in the muscle are repaired following training).

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« Reply #3723 on: April 23, 2014, 02:19:00 PM »
I think people with gear should shut the fuck up! They dont know shit about training! Nad most of them dosent realise thats 99% of their muscles are made of gear not training. Stupid ass fuckers. Quit everything u inject for 2 years and then talk bitches : )

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« Reply #3724 on: April 23, 2014, 02:23:16 PM »
I'm starting to believe he's indestructible. Either that or he has several of his organs transplanted after the originals atrophied like lumps of organic coal from the massive drug abuse & industrial-sized food intake.