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Crohns disease - best way to control flare ups
« on: July 15, 2013, 10:28:29 PM »
im just curious if anyone else has experienced this and what have you taken to control the flare ups. mines is currently flared up and im struggling to control it. been taking asacol, probiotics, aloe vera gel caps, charco caps, and digestive enzymes. any info would be appreciated. its really draining during the day and especially during the workouts. damn constant cramping and shitting sucks. wouldn't wish it on anyone.....well maybe my worst enemy lol please no typical "getbigger" smartass responses

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Re: crohns disease
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2013, 10:32:11 PM »
im just curious if anyone else has experienced this and what have you taken to control the flare ups. mines is currently flared up and im struggling to control it. been taking asacol, probiotics, aloe vera gel caps, charco caps, and digestive enzymes. any info would be appreciated. its really draining during the day and especially during the workouts. damn constant cramping and shitting sucks. wouldn't wish it on anyone.....well maybe my worst enemy lol please no typical "getbigger" smartass responses

Anti-inflammatory diet bro. Heavy on the omega 3's. Also, take a soluble siber supplement like sugar free Metamucil. Keep your protein intake moderate, never super high.

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« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2013, 02:07:26 AM »
Friend of mine smokes weed and claims that helps him. Not sure if true or just an excuse to get high.

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« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2013, 04:48:41 AM »
im just curious if anyone else has experienced this and what have you taken to control the flare ups. mines is currently flared up and im struggling to control it. been taking asacol, probiotics, aloe vera gel caps, charco caps, and digestive enzymes. any info would be appreciated. its really draining during the day and especially during the workouts. damn constant cramping and shitting sucks. wouldn't wish it on anyone.....well maybe my worst enemy lol please no typical "getbigger" smartass responses

that remind me sad souvenir.
back in the 90's a buddy at the gym got the crohn disease, He told us he got the crohn disease while working on a glass making factory, because of heat, moisture and the fact he had to take salt comp while working.
sometime everything was ok, sometime he was down and out the gym for few weeks or month.
So he took aas, specially test deca to help him recover and give him energy.
I don't know much about the rest of his diet.
at one point he stopped training and i lost track of him.
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« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2013, 10:33:23 AM »
I didn't have crohn's but I had stomach problems for 6 months. Lost weight from the pain and diarrhea. Saw 5 doctors. If your doctor doesn't inspire confidence dump him.

I have no answers. In 6 months it went away. The doctors had theories but all just prescribed anti acid drugs.  I think something was messed up with the bacteria in my gut. You have good bacteria and bad. If there is something off with the bacterial then it could be hard for the best of doctors to figure it out and correct. Chohn's is an inflammation response illness I believe.  Maybe a completely different problem from mine.

These things made it easier. If you are taking any bodybuilding crap like creatine or whey protein then stop taking it. Creatine and protein powder can be hard on the stomach. Don't take a million vitamins. If you take anything just do a multi. Don't get a super multi that has an insane amount of everything maybe just a multi from Costco. If you have a slight problem with dairy start to weed it out. I can have a glass of milk, some cheese and a yogurt but if I go over this I get the runs. When my stomach went I started drinking lactose free milk and stopped eating cheese. I went to one yogurt a day on good days. If you drink alcohol start to limit how much and how often. It is hard on the stomach.

Sorry I don't have answers. When I was in pain for 6 months I thought this was how I would have to live my life and it wasn't a great feeling. I guess you know the depression it can cause. I hope you get better.

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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2013, 11:34:58 AM »
Want me to geek out?

Cannabis does help Crohn;s



Clin Gastroenterol Hepatol. 2013 May 4. pii: S1542-3565(13)00604-6. doi: 10.1016/j.cgh.2013.04.034. [Epub ahead of print]

Cannabis Induces a Clinical Response in Patients With Crohn's Disease: A Prospective Placebo-Controlled Study.

Naftali T, Lihi BL, Iris D, Ephraim Philip L, Benjaminov Fabiana S, Fred Meir K.


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Department of Gastroenterology and Hepatology, Meir Medical Center and Sackler Faculty of Medicine, Tel Aviv University, Kfar Saba, Israel. Electronic address: naftali@post.tau.ac.il.


Abstract


BACKGROUND & AIMS:

The marijuana plant Cannabis sativa has been reported to produce beneficial effects for patients with inflammatory bowel diseases, but this has not been investigated in controlled trials. We performed a prospective trial to determine whether cannabis can induce remission in patients with Crohn's disease.

METHODS:

We studied 21 patients (mean age, 40 ± 14 y; 13 men) with Crohn's Disease Activity Index (CDAI) scores greater than 200 who did not respond to therapy with steroids, immunomodulators, or anti-tumor necrosis factor-α agents. Patients were assigned randomly to groups given cannabis, twice daily, in the form of cigarettes containing 11.5 mg of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) or placebo containing cannabis flowers from which the THC had been extracted. Disease activity and laboratory tests were assessed during 8 weeks of treatment and 2 weeks thereafter.

RESULTS:

Complete remission (CDAI score, <150) was achieved by 5 of 11 subjects in the cannabis group (45%) and 1 of 10 in the placebo group (10%; P = .43). A clinical response (decrease in CDAI score of >100) was observed in 10 of 11 subjects in the cannabis group (90%; from 330 ± 105 to 152 ± 109) and 4 of 10 in the placebo group (40%; from 373 ± 94 to 306 ± 143; P = .028). Three patients in the cannabis group were weaned from steroid dependency. Subjects receiving cannabis reported improved appetite and sleep, with no significant side effects.

CONCLUSIONS:

Although the primary end point of the study (induction of remission) was not achieved, a short course (8 weeks) of THC-rich cannabis produced significant clinical, steroid-free benefits to 11 patients with active Crohn's disease, compared with placebo, without side effects. Further studies, with larger patient groups and a nonsmoking mode of intake, are warranted.



Besides that, and you can just take my word for it or do the fucking research yourself. Butyric acid  (enemas), boswellia, curcumin are all beneficial and well researched.I would also follow a newborn around and get his poop and shove it in your ass. Fecal transplantation is all the rage.

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« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2013, 11:42:32 AM »
Sorry to hear mate.
I had colitis which is similar since i was 13. What initially worked for me was avoiding grains and carbs. Worked well for a while.
Eventually had to have intestine removed due to pre cancerous cells but the low to zero carbs did the trick for a while.
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« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2013, 04:54:16 PM »
Try getting and keep your body in an alkaline state...Easier said then done but no doubt it will do wonders for your body...

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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2013, 04:58:53 PM »
what is flared up?

do you mean your lower back?
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« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2013, 05:01:06 PM »
I have no answers. In 6 months it went away. The doctors had theories but all just prescribed anti acid drugs.  I think something was messed up with the bacteria in my gut. You have good bacteria and bad. If there is something off with the bacterial then it could be hard for the best of doctors to figure it out and correct.

Gut problems like that are usually a circular problem. Your stomach gets bad, you get stressed, you eat bad because your stressed your stomach gets bad because you eat bad and it snowballs from there.

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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2013, 09:20:43 PM »
Anti-inflammatory diet bro. Heavy on the omega 3's. Also, take a soluble siber supplement like sugar free Metamucil. Keep your protein intake moderate, never super high.

Not any more.  Too much Omega 3's now showing as a huge Prostate cancer risk.

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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2013, 09:23:23 PM »
My pops has crohns. Sometimes he has crohns attacks and vomits. Every 2-3 months he has to go for some blood transfusion or something.

He is monitored closely by a gastro doctor.
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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2013, 09:55:51 PM »
Not any more.  Too much Omega 3's now showing as a huge Prostate cancer risk.

Please tell me your joking, because that atrocity known as the "prostate cancer risk study" has been proven to be complete and utter bullshit. Google it...there's a million of the most credible peer reviewed researchers completely denying any credibility that study had. For example the low end omega 3 plasma levels in their study that they deemed healthy were like 4.4%...the high end plasma levels were 4.6%, which they said would give you cancer. 0.2% blood plasma difference between healthy and death. Im not exaggerating here...that "study" has as much merit as "researchers" claiming the earth is flat.


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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2013, 09:56:48 PM »
Try getting and keep your body in an alkaline state...Easier said then done but no doubt it will do wonders for your body...

This is a direct result from having an anti-inflammatory diet as the one I listed above...it will result in an alkaline shift.

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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2013, 11:14:48 PM »
thanks guys. appreciate the info. ive also heard about smoking weed and its effects on crohns....have to start getting high! (: will add more omegas and watch the carbs/protein. but it sucks and im desperate to get back to "normal", or at least contain it. cant even lay a decent fart lol

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« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2013, 04:10:53 AM »
sancho,

The things you are taking keep taking them, but also try some wormwood and cloves. They will definitely be of help and I even think they will alleviate most of your cramps. Ive had serious cramps in the past and uncontrollable urges to shit and this has helped so much.

Like these guys said, anti-inflammatory is the way you want to go. Omega 3, Dandelion root, CoQ10 (lots of this). Dandelion root is a liver stimulant which helps bile acids and the gallbladder to be released and functioning normally which is usually heavily inpaired by crohns disease.

I feel for you man ive had the same types of problems and the single thing that helped me the most was/is wormwood and.cloves. Please give it a shot for a couple weeks and get back to us. I noticed a huge improvement in my bowels and stool formation after only 3 days.

Last thing, dont ever be tricked into taking "antacids". This is a big hoax and does nothing but stop your natural stomach acid from forming, leading to further problems primarily being overgrowth of intestinal bacteria, indigestion, and malabsorbtion. Stomach acid is the greatest defense against bacteria and pathogens on food.

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« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2013, 11:43:50 AM »
what is flared up?

do you mean your lower back?

ya his lower back is flared up from crohns disease. ::)

his ass tube is flared up, ie ulceration and inflammation in his alimentary canel, his poop tube not work.

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« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2013, 11:54:17 AM »
I have a friend who has Crohns
She is an MD and doesn't want to use meds so she has been on this thing called the GAPS diet

you can find lots of info online by googling it

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« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2013, 11:55:05 AM »
I have this... so i know how you feel....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulcerative_colitis

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« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2013, 06:51:53 PM »
sancho,

The things you are taking keep taking them, but also try some wormwood and cloves. They will definitely be of help and I even think they will alleviate most of your cramps. Ive had serious cramps in the past and uncontrollable urges to shit and this has helped so much.

Like these guys said, anti-inflammatory is the way you want to go. Omega 3, Dandelion root, CoQ10 (lots of this). Dandelion root is a liver stimulant which helps bile acids and the gallbladder to be released and functioning normally which is usually heavily inpaired by crohns disease.

I feel for you man ive had the same types of problems and the single thing that helped me the most was/is wormwood and.cloves. Please give it a shot for a couple weeks and get back to us. I noticed a huge improvement in my bowels and stool formation after only 3 days.


Last thing, dont ever be tricked into taking "antacids". This is a big hoax and does nothing but stop your natural stomach acid from forming, leading to further problems primarily being overgrowth of intestinal bacteria, indigestion, and malabsorbtion. Stomach acid is the greatest defense against bacteria and pathogens on food.

wow good stuff bro. I will definitely look into it and get back to you. but where do I get wormwood and cloves? lol I guess I can always google it

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« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2013, 07:13:01 PM »
Dont eat indian food!
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« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2013, 08:02:35 PM »
1--- Crohn's and UC always cause malabsorption. Bad way to go if you are intending to gain guality muscle.
2--- intestinal resection is usually reserved for UC which is invariably associated with adenoCA of colon.  Crohn's is nasty in that it can lead to the development of bowel fistulas. If that happens, then surgery may be necessary.
3---The most effective 'real treatment' is with TYSABRI, a monoclonal antibody that is specific for the VLA4 receptor protein on WBCs. This compound causes a decrease in inflammatory change in the bowel, and thus leads to improvement in GI symptoms.
One big drawback may be the development of PML-- progressive multifocal leukoencephaloparhy--
a deadly CNS disease caused by the JC virus and related to the overall immunosuppression in CNS caused by TYSABRI. This med will eventually prevent you from shitting your brains out-- or prevent hematochezia/melena.
Good luck, although sarcopenia is the inevitable result of Crohn's disease.

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Re: Crohns disease - best way to control flare ups
« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2013, 08:17:12 PM »
taking iron and caltrate supplements a couple times a week helped me after a stomach wrap surgery that was causing crohns like symptoms.

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« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2013, 02:12:08 AM »
wow good stuff bro. I will definitely look into it and get back to you. but where do I get wormwood and cloves? lol I guess I can always google it

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000S85H5C/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?qid=1374138348&sr=8-3&pi=SL75

This is the brand ive been using. It comes with cloves already in it. It also has black walnut which is nearly important as the wormwood. I buy it from the local drug emporium though since theyre almost as cheap as online. Get a couple bottles to start and take the recommended dosage and if it goes good good for the first week take more. Ive seen liver flukes come out since ive taken this and have had complete alleviation from all my stomach pains and general malaise.

I was no doubt on my way to having crohns disease fullblown but didnt get there thank God. However, since you are at a further stage it may take a little longer to see improvements. Get two bottles and take it til you run out..if there hasnt been a significant and I mean significant improvement, then dont take it again. But I feel it will help a lot.

Good luck man


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« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2013, 03:58:38 AM »
Anti-inflammatory diet bro. Heavy on the omega 3's. Also, take a soluble siber supplement like sugar free Metamucil. Keep your protein intake moderate, never super high.

omega 3's are anti-inflammatory. Just wanted to add that I concur.