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Re: John Meadows, the carb approach.
« Reply #50 on: July 21, 2013, 11:59:22 AM »
He seems to always look a lot better in the gym shortly before his show. He looked very flat to me on stage.

I honestly prefer the 2 week out look for 90% of Bodybuilders. There's some FREAKY pictures out there of all these guys that managed to screw it up come contest day.

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Re: John Meadows, the carb approach.
« Reply #51 on: July 21, 2013, 12:00:29 PM »
I honestly prefer the 2 week out look for 90% of Bodybuilders. There's some FREAKY pictures out there of all these guys that managed to screw it up come contest day.

Even the most knowledgeable think they will look so much better if they screw around with their water intake.

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Re: John Meadows, the carb approach.
« Reply #52 on: July 21, 2013, 12:08:49 PM »
Even the most knowledgeable think they will look so much better if they screw around with their water intake.

For my next show I will definitely NOT screw around with my water.

This seems to be a very unpopular opinion though  :-\

Maybe I need to run more aromatizing gear and then the  "shutting off the water" trick will work?  :D

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Re: John Meadows, the carb approach.
« Reply #53 on: July 21, 2013, 12:10:33 PM »
For my next show I will definitely NOT screw around with my water.

This seems to be a very unpopular opinion though  :-\

Maybe I need to run more aromatizing gear and then the  "shutting off the water" trick will work?  :D

orrrrr maybe just drink water all the way up to your show.  :)

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Re: John Meadows, the carb approach.
« Reply #54 on: July 21, 2013, 12:12:07 PM »
orrrrr maybe just drink water all the way up to your show.  :)

Blasphemy!!! Outrageous ideas!!! Mods, ban this member immediately for his absurd posts, he's clearly trolling all of us here with these common sense ideas.

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Re: John Meadows, the carb approach.
« Reply #55 on: July 21, 2013, 12:13:23 PM »
Blasphemy!!! Outrageous ideas!!! Mods, ban this member immediately for his absurd posts, he's clearly trolling all of us here with these common sense ideas.


 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???   ;D

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Re: John Meadows, the carb approach.
« Reply #56 on: July 21, 2013, 12:44:39 PM »
you prefer the old-school "bodybuilding" training style, where one trains each bodypart twice a week, right?

i've upped the volume and frequency and it's working quite well for me

i was doing a push/pull/legs split, but i'm thinking about going to chest and back/arms and delts/leg split, which split is better in your opinion?
Both are great splits. It is nice to switch  back and forth after a couple of months.

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Re: John Meadows, the carb approach.
« Reply #57 on: July 21, 2013, 01:20:28 PM »
Both are great splits. It is nice to switch  back and forth after a couple of months.

what's your thoughts on training each bodypart twice per week?

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Re: John Meadows, the carb approach.
« Reply #58 on: July 21, 2013, 01:22:24 PM »
what's your thoughts on training each bodypart twice per week?

Why not 5 times a week?

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Re: John Meadows, the carb approach.
« Reply #59 on: July 21, 2013, 01:25:34 PM »
Why not 5 times a week?

lol

i hate to say this, but Mentzer was wrong

i'm looking quite a bit better with a higher volume of training and frequency of training

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Re: John Meadows, the carb approach.
« Reply #60 on: July 21, 2013, 01:30:33 PM »
lol

i hate to say this, but Mentzer was wrong

i'm looking quite a bit better with a higher volume of training and frequency of training
Mentzer had genes and drugs. I say train 8 days a week oh wait there are only 7 days.

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Re: John Meadows, the carb approach.
« Reply #61 on: July 21, 2013, 01:35:27 PM »
He had genes and drugs.

true, but i seriously doubt that he could have achieved the physique that he had back in the late 70s doing only 1 set til failure of dips and deads once a week and then 1 set til failure of squats and pulldowns the following week

so train 1 set of dip and dead on sunday and then 1 set of squat and pulldown the next sunday so that each lift is only trained once every 2 weeks

when he was at prime he trained about 6 sets til failure on each muscle group twice per week

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Re: John Meadows, the carb approach.
« Reply #62 on: July 21, 2013, 01:36:34 PM »
what's your thoughts on training each bodypart twice per week?

I think it is the best method to train if u are under 35 and not on a boat load of drugs. You can easily train everything 2xweek on a 4 days a week program, i.e. M,T rest Wed, then repeat Th and Fri rest Sat and Sun.

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Re: John Meadows, the carb approach.
« Reply #63 on: July 21, 2013, 01:38:46 PM »
true, but i seriously doubt that he could have achieved the physique that he had back in the late 70s doing only 1 set til failure of dips and deads once a week and then 1 set til failure of squats and pulldowns the following week

so train 1 set of dip and dead on sunday and then 1 set of squat and pulldown the next sunday so that each lift is only trained once every 2 weeks

when he was at prime he trained about 6 sets til failure on each muscle group twice per week
True, he just put the consolidated routine for people with no genes.

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Re: John Meadows, the carb approach.
« Reply #64 on: July 21, 2013, 01:49:10 PM »
I think it is the best method to train if u are under 35 and not on a boat load of drugs. You can easily train everything 2xweek on a 4 days a week program, i.e. M,T rest Wed, then repeat Th and Fri rest Sat and Sun.

that's basically how the guys trained in the 80s

i'll never be on a boatload of drugs, so it should suit me well :)

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Re: John Meadows, the carb approach.
« Reply #65 on: July 21, 2013, 02:04:12 PM »
Even the most knowledgeable think they will look so much better if they screw around with their water intake.


do you agree with card loading and sodium loading etc..... last time out i just cruised in as i was , done everything the same as i had 2 weeks out, except for less water night before and some diuretics

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Re: John Meadows, the carb approach.
« Reply #66 on: July 21, 2013, 02:44:28 PM »

do you agree with card loading and sodium loading etc..... last time out i just cruised in as i was , done everything the same as i had 2 weeks out, except for less water night before and some diuretics

In general no and I've done both with many variations many times. On many occasions I've had to do some drastic things but only when people have come to me late in the game to fix things which has happened a lot. You have no idea how many time people come to me behind their trainers back at  the last minute.

Most of the time if you have one the entire contest prep correctly you don't need to try any tricks.

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Re: John Meadows, the carb approach.
« Reply #67 on: July 21, 2013, 04:39:18 PM »
that's basically how the guys trained in the 80s

i'll never be on a boatload of drugs, so it should suit me well :)
Just lift heavy lite homo stuff dont get it.

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Re: John Meadows, the carb approach.
« Reply #68 on: July 21, 2013, 06:47:29 PM »
His face is purplish red and has bloat in random weird places on EVERY photo. So much for his "health" bullshit.

guys a disaster.

great guy to follow for advise. lol
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Re: John Meadows, the carb approach.
« Reply #69 on: July 21, 2013, 10:43:08 PM »
you prefer the old-school "bodybuilding" training style, where one trains each bodypart twice a week, right?

i've upped the volume and frequency and it's working quite well for me

i was doing a push/pull/legs split, but i'm thinking about going to chest and back/arms and delts/leg split, which split is better in your opinion?

I've always liked

Day 1 - Legs, abs

Day 2 - Chest, front/side/rear delt, Calves

Day 3 - Back, traps, bicep/triceps, abs

Day 4-6 repeat 1-3

Off Sunday

Or..

Day 1 - Chest/ Back/ abs

Day 2 - Shoulders/Arms/Calves

Day 3 - Legs/abs

Day 4 -repeat days 1-3

Or...

Day 1 - Chest/ Triceps, abs

Day 2 - Back/rear delt/traps/hamstrings, calves

Day 3 - Legs, abs

Day 4 repeat days 1-3

Any lagging bodypart, supersets is your friend. Superset the SAME muscle group, not opposing on lagging body parts.

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Re: John Meadows, the carb approach.
« Reply #70 on: July 21, 2013, 11:02:19 PM »
guys a disaster.

great guy to follow for advise. lol

Yeah, it's like asking homeless guy questions about career :D

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Re: John Meadows, the carb approach.
« Reply #71 on: July 21, 2013, 11:12:38 PM »
thanks coach

but IMO.... drop sets>>>>>>>super sets

in fact, drop sets with post exhaust (not pre exhaust) is probably one of the best methods, something like this for pecs

1st do hammer inclines til failure for 6-10 reps and then go right to pec deck and do a triple drop taking all sets til failure

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Re: John Meadows, the carb approach.
« Reply #72 on: July 21, 2013, 11:16:44 PM »
thanks coach

but IMO.... drop sets>>>>>>>super sets

in fact, drop sets with post exhaust (not pre exhaust) is probably one of the best methods, something like this for pecs

1st do hammer inclines til failure for 6-10 reps and then go right to pec deck and do a triple drop taking all sets til failure
Why not do 25 sets of pec deck flyes?

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Re: John Meadows, the carb approach.
« Reply #73 on: July 22, 2013, 01:21:42 AM »
Why not do 25 sets of pec deck flyes?

lol

p.s. Mentzer did 4-6 failure sets per bodypart when he was at his all-time best and i'd say that's bout right

1 or 2 failure sets per bodypart just don't cut it dude

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Re: John Meadows, the carb approach.
« Reply #74 on: July 22, 2013, 01:24:38 AM »
lol

p.s. Mentzer did 4-6 failure sets per bodypart when he was at his all-time best and i'd say that's bout right

1 or 2 failure sets per bodypart just don't cut it dude

for you....men like myself  never followed a training program a day in their life and can look at a weight and grow.

feel sorry for guys who cant do these things..REALLY.  Your genetics suck dude, your not even natural... and look like a 15 year old on whey
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