IFBB Pro -Milos Sarcev..and his 'insulin protocols'

[Caro]

And which gym Lee Priest owned in Newcastle or elsewhere  

Get therapy for your trolling.  It has become quite a mind made disease.

Ta ta Hater !

[bigmc]

And which gym Lee Priest owned in Newcastle or elsewhere  

lee priest has become the joke of the bb industry

wrestling old men in hotel rooms to make ends meet

lee the fat midget is penniless with only his tattoos to keep him company

[ukjeff]

Yawn...you hater.

Oh yeah, just for the record 'Milos was a prep guru'.

Oh yeah, 'NEWS FLASH !' , there was this guy called Milos who once owned the Koleseum. He was known as the 'prep guru' by his stable of athletes and the bodybuilding community at large.

Now please leave this thread you boring gimmick!

I know all that but you said he referred to himself as a guru, was that true or not, you even said you had evidence but then couldnt produce it.

Yes, the term 'prep guru' figured in many of his ramblings!

Easy on the hate.  Milos used the term 'prep guru'.  Why?  Because that is what he was. Ever been to the Koleseum?

So did Milos refer to himself as a guru?

[Teutonic Knight]

lee priest has become the joke of the bb industry

wrestling old men in hotel rooms to make ends meet

lee the fat midget is penniless with only his tattoos to keep him company

Nabba should have "Extra Short" class at Universe '13 for competitors like Caro Lee 
(sorry Nabba)

[Caro]

Nabba should have "Extra Short" class at Universe '13 for competitors like Caro Lee 
(sorry Nabba)

boring gimmick.
stop the trolling

[bigmc]

Nabba should have "Extra Short" class at Universe '13 for competitors like Caro Lee 
(sorry Nabba)

yes a midget class should suit lee all 4ft 10 of him

[Caro]

yes a midget class should suit lee all 4ft 10 of him

ding, ding...the troll strikes again

[rocket]

This thread was founded on hate. 

By a hater.

..and the same slightly inaccurate airswing that many hate threads have can be found in the original posts.

It's been interesting, though. 

But it's all hate.

Luke seemed like a really good chap - from what interaction I had with him on GB. 

[Caro]

This thread was founded on hate. 

By a hater.

..and the same slightly inaccurate airswing that many hate threads have can be found in the original posts.

It's been interesting, though. 

But it's all hate.

Luke seemed like a really good chap - from what interaction I had with him on GB. 

Hi Rock,

I agree, a lot of hate...too much hate.

And yes, Luke was a stand up guy who died under tragic circumstances.  I still believe, as many others in the industry, if he had not crossed paths with the prep guru Milos he would still be with us today....

And just for the record. i HATE the insulin protocols.

[ukjeff]

I still believe, as many others in the industry, if he had not crossed paths with the prep guru Milos he would still be with us today....

And you 'believe' this based on what evidence?
You stated earlier he listened to Milos then fucked up his dosages?
How is that Milos fault?

And you are still dodging the lie you told earlier about Milos referring to himself as a guru, dont worry everyone can see you handwaving and flailing around.

[Vince B]

Milos was a guru when compared to others in the industry. No need for Milos to claim that label.

Who knows what Luke did to himself over the years? Luke considered Milos a friend and proudly wore a watch Milos gave him. What we have here is a tragedy not a homicide.

[Van_Bilderass]

i mean, isnt it unbelievable that luke went so far and still had no idea on t3 protocols?any gymrat will know more or less how and how much t3 to use.

No, the story was Luke had been in Thailand prepping and bought T3 over there. When he arrived in Milos' gym Milos noticed he was shaking badly all the time. Then they went to hospital and thyroid was off the charts. Milos had no idea of the dosage in pills, he estimated the dosage was 2000mcg or something. In reality you can't calculate it very easily, would involve some very complicated math etc.

Thyroid, along with clen, is something a UG lab easily fucks up for obvious reasons. With thyroid, go with a real pharma product.

Milos had a thyroid OD episode himself once. In his words:

Transdermal thyroid - was my last mistake - as I forgot to think about how women look (and think) about little cream they need to apply.
Obviously my wife thought it was a moisturiser and not a THYROID MEDICATION...and as she was applying on my back and glutes (yes glutes...and somehow I didn't mind her rubbing that cream forever ) - I overlooked the possibility of using TOO MUCH - which ended up happening...
So there you have it...I made many mistakes in my life - and admit them all...

[Van_Bilderass]

wow thyroid creme?

does that work for spot reduction

That was the idea Milos had. I doubt it really works for spot reduction though. It ends up systemic.

I forgot the name of the product. I think it was French.

[El Diablo Blanco]

That was the idea Milos had. I doubt it really works for spot reduction though. It ends up systemic.

I forgot the name of the product. I think it was French.

You're thinking of thiomucase.  That was not thyroid cream

[Van_Bilderass]

You're thinking of thiomucase.  That was not thyroid cream

No, no. I think the name started with Perc... something, it's on the tip of my tongue...

Wrote it out on forums many times but just can't remember right now.

Edit. Percutacrine.

Dextrothyroxine sodique: 4mg/2ml
Benzyle salicylate
Glycérol
Alcool éthylique
Eucalyptus essence
Propylène glycol
Camphre

[dustin]

Luke destroyed himself with T3 many times infact every time  he looked good a week out and turned up flat smooth and small it was from his insistence on overusing the drug when he didn't have to.
Luke also took diuretics all the time, he was a very nice but totally insecure guy, I have never met someone who would put fake tan on, site inject weak bodyparts like most would on contest day and take diuretics just to walk in a gym for a regular workout, just so gym rats could be blown away. He had a sickness and it killed him, he wouldn't listen to Milos or anyone, he frequently held back the truth, so much so like most compulsive liars he lost track of what was real and what was not, in saying that he was a very nice guy who never harmed anyone other than himself. RIP Luke.

I think we're all probably guilty of fasting before a beach day or pool party. But site injecting before the gym is crazy. I'll admit that I wear a hoody to get warmed up, but also allow myself to catch a pump too. But damn... site injections. I try to NOT inject any time I'll be showing skin because I hate for there to be any sort of swelling. Doesn't look good at all.

Year round diuretics is insane too. No wonder his kidneys failed. Most people taking what he takes just for a couple of days would kill them.

[chaos]

Lots of imagination being used in this thread.

[no one]

I think we're all probably guilty of fasting before a beach day or pool party. But site injecting before the gym is crazy. I'll admit that I wear a hoody to get warmed up, but also allow myself to catch a pump too. But damn... site injections. I try to NOT inject any time I'll be showing skin because I hate for there to be any sort of swelling. Doesn't look good at all.

Year round diuretics is insane too. No wonder his kidneys failed. Most people taking what he takes just for a couple of days would kill them.

fucking diuretics man. horrible shit. it's not the juice or the lifestyle that ends these guys it's the satellite compounds like diuretics, painkillers, and stimulants.

you can live a balanced healthy life and have a great physique with the right approach to eating and anabolic usage.

there is very definitely a mental disorder that is latent or is created in otherwise 'normal' people once they start to seriously train and have done so for some time. the key is finding balance and not succumbing to the pull of whatever disorder that the lifestyle has created. most cannot find this middle ground. it's not even at the 'Luke wood' level of things- women who train for physique / fitness carry such disorders long after competing and just average gym rats all seem to fall prey to such things.

[ukjeff]

you can live a balanced healthy life and have a great physique with the right approach to eating and anabolic usage.

Fucking lol. 

[dustin]

fucking diuretics man. horrible shit. it's not the juice or the lifestyle that ends these guys it's the satellite compounds like diuretics, painkillers, and stimulants.

you can live a balanced healthy life and have a great physique with the right approach to eating and anabolic usage.

there is very definitely a mental disorder that is latent or is created in otherwise 'normal' people once they start to seriously train and have done so for some time. the key is finding balance and not succumbing to the pull of whatever disorder that the lifestyle has created. most cannot find this middle ground. it's not even at the 'Luke wood' level of things- women who train for physique / fitness carry such disorders long after competing and just average gym rats all seem to fall prey to such things.

Diuretics - check
Anadrolona - check
Quick pump session - check
Nipples tweaked? - check

Time to hit the beach!

Totally neurotic. Getting into a regimen of constantly pinning, taking pills, calculating injection and dosing times along with tweaking them, scheduling, prepping and eating meals, adjusting meal times, training (last and probably least)... that's a surefire recipe for disaster. No mention of the psychological affects of all those androgens too.

Like I always said, I'm calm as fuck but with tren in my system I can feel a bit snappy. I never act on my aggression and it never comes to the surface to where people can see it. But I can feel these Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde feelings buried deep down that fuck with my head. I joke around about trenbologna suicide but I really do think it fucks with your head. I'd caution guys to not stay on it for too long. I've battled depression on and off for years and despite hard times like friends and family dying or getting diagnosed with terminal illnesses, nothing persistently fucks me up the way tren does. Hands down favorite compound and I smile 24/7 when my abs get carved deeper and deeper, but I'm definitely operating with a screw loose especially if I run more than 100mg EOD. I have no shame in admitting that. It's a strange compound.

[Teutonic Knight]

yes a midget class should suit lee all 4ft 10 of him

He has potential in Micro Wrestling Federation 
Unfortunately no more midget wresting in WWE 

[ukjeff]

Diuretics - check
Anadrolona - check
Quick pump session - check
Nipples tweaked? - check

Time to hit the beach!

Totally neurotic. Getting into a regimen of constantly pinning, taking pills, calculating injection and dosing times along with tweaking them, scheduling, prepping and eating meals, adjusting meal times, training (last and probably least)... that's a surefire recipe for disaster. No mention of the psychological affects of all those androgens too.

Just received your copy of Gal and no ones book I see.   

[Van_Bilderass]

Year round diuretics is insane too. No wonder his kidneys failed.

Depends on if the diuretics were doctor prescribed and how he used them. If you use them to get dehydrated, then they're bad. Diuretics are prescribed precisely to protect from cardiovascular damage, strokes, heart attacks etc. If you're holding 10lbs of water in your ankles then diuretics may be warranted... of course the healthiest course would be to drop the offending compounds (the AAS, GH, Ins, etc), but that may not be an option.

[dustin]

Depends on if the diuretics were doctor prescribed and how he used them. If you use them to get dehydrated, then they're bad. Diuretics are prescribed precisely to protect from cardiovascular damage, strokes, heart attacks etc. If you're holding 10lbs of water in your ankles then diuretics may be warranted... of course the healthiest course would be to drop the offending compounds (the AAS, GH, Ins, etc), but that may not be an option.

Almost thought someone was trolling me for a split second and then I saw your screen name and read the post.

Yep, context is extremely important here. I'm sure damn near everyone's grandma here is on hydrochlorothiazide but when a bodybuilder takes pre and post workout lasix and eats half a dozen burgers at Burger King it's not healthy lol

I cite that specific example because that's what a friend of mine does. He's doing his first comp soon and someone told him burgers really helped them to fill out and they also happen to take tons of lasix. Buddy was over watching UFC and could hardly sit down because he was cramping so bad. Got him some resources to check into. I really think that diuretics need to be reserved for just comps. Or if you've fucked up your anabolics or something you could use something gentle like HCTZ and get the water off. But if you need to use them long term, something else is wrong and needs to be addressed. Throwing diuretics down the hatch is a very dangerous bandaid fix. Scares me to know he was doing this so frequently. He looks amazing but received some really dangerous bro-advices.

[Caro]

Almost thought someone was trolling me for a split second and then I saw your screen name and read the post.

Yep, context is extremely important here. I'm sure damn near everyone's grandma here is on hydrochlorothiazide but when a bodybuilder takes pre and post workout lasix and eats half a dozen burgers at Burger King it's not healthy lol

I cite that specific example because that's what a friend of mine does. He's doing his first comp soon and someone told him burgers really helped them to fill out and they also happen to take tons of lasix. Buddy was over watching UFC and could hardly sit down because he was cramping so bad. Got him some resources to check into. I really think that diuretics need to be reserved for just comps. Or if you've fucked up your anabolics or something you could use something gentle like HCTZ and get the water off. But if you need to use them long term, something else is wrong and needs to be addressed. Throwing diuretics down the hatch is a very dangerous bandaid fix. Scares me to know he was doing this so frequently. He looks amazing but received some really dangerous bro-advices.

Milos, throughout his Pro career and then as a contest prep guru was a passionate advocate of diuretics.

In my view, very dangerous stuff if used incorrectly.