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Re: IFBB Pro -Milos Sarcev..and his 'insulin protocols'
« Reply #200 on: July 30, 2013, 05:18:23 PM »
Almost thought someone was trolling me for a split second and then I saw your screen name and read the post. ;D

Yep, context is extremely important here. I'm sure damn near everyone's grandma here is on hydrochlorothiazide but when a bodybuilder takes pre and post workout lasix and eats half a dozen burgers at Burger King it's not healthy lol

I cite that specific example because that's what a friend of mine does. He's doing his first comp soon and someone told him burgers really helped them to fill out and they also happen to take tons of lasix. Buddy was over watching UFC and could hardly sit down because he was cramping so bad. Got him some resources to check into. I really think that diuretics need to be reserved for just comps. Or if you've fucked up your anabolics or something you could use something gentle like HCTZ and get the water off. But if you need to use them long term, something else is wrong and needs to be addressed. Throwing diuretics down the hatch is a very dangerous bandaid fix. Scares me to know he was doing this so frequently. He looks amazing but received some really dangerous bro-advices.

Buselmo's stories about middle eastern competitors were the craziest. Starting Bumex, similar to Lasix, 3 months out. Then driven from competition venue in an ambulance. :D

I heard some stories about a competitor who died at the world champs in India. They put the dude, who was already on diuretics, in a sauna where he lifted some dumbells to lose even more water. After a while he couldn't speak, just wheeze. Airways constricted and he died because docs were called too late. The whole team was apparently disqualified from what I heard.
Can't remember which country it was.

I think most pros who go to the doctor are on some type of BP med, with good reason.

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« Reply #201 on: July 30, 2013, 07:20:35 PM »
Horrendous incident regarding Paul Dillett and diurectics.  While in comp his whole body locked up...he had to be carried out, all the while in a totally rigid composure...scary stuff.

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« Reply #202 on: July 30, 2013, 07:45:30 PM »
Regarding Paul Dillet freezing up at the Arnold and being carried off...there is a video out there regarding this.

Diurectics are nasty if used with reckless abandon.

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« Reply #203 on: July 30, 2013, 07:57:09 PM »
Buselmo's stories about middle eastern competitors were the craziest. Starting Bumex, similar to Lasix, 3 months out. Then driven from competition venue in an ambulance. :D

I heard some stories about a competitor who died at the world champs in India. They put the dude, who was already on diuretics, in a sauna where he lifted some dumbells to lose even more water. After a while he couldn't speak, just wheeze. Airways constricted and he died because docs were called too late. The whole team was apparently disqualified from what I heard.
Can't remember which country it was.

I think most pros who go to the doctor are on some type of BP med, with good reason.

Dude, my Saudi exchange students introduced me to a bodybuilder. Everything in diet is halal, no sweets, small anabolic arsenal, supplements like creatine (they consider it on par with steroids and almost worship it), then lots of diuretics leaning or into the show.

What buselmo said is almost exactly what this kid said, except some of them do not take protein powder as they consider it not right or not natural. Didn't understand their English but they were all violently opposed like they are with pork or meat from hooved animals. Very dry, bland foods. Usually cut out flat breads and pitas and eat falafel, potato, chicken, tuna, carb up on pasta and almost nothing else. I've looked at buddies regimen and it was all low test, some anabolics and really quite a reliance on completely drying out with diuretics. Maybe Ramadan gives them good tolerance for no fluids and hydration. Saw pics of his friends and no matter what class or what level they were conditioned like Munzer.

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« Reply #204 on: July 30, 2013, 08:04:04 PM »
Too many novices using diuretics without basic knowledge..

I blame many of the contest prep gurus who hand these things out like candies with little to no education of the adverse-reactions that can result.

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« Reply #205 on: July 30, 2013, 11:14:39 PM »
fucking diuretics man. horrible shit. it's not the juice or the lifestyle that ends these guys it's the satellite compounds like diuretics, painkillers, and stimulants.

you can live a balanced healthy life and have a great physique with the right approach to eating and anabolic usage.

there is very definitely a mental disorder that is latent or is created in otherwise 'normal' people once they start to seriously train and have done so for some time. the key is finding balance and not succumbing to the pull of whatever disorder that the lifestyle has created. most cannot find this middle ground. it's not even at the 'Luke wood' level of things- women who train for physique / fitness carry such disorders long after competing and just average gym rats all seem to fall prey to such things.




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« Reply #206 on: July 31, 2013, 12:27:23 AM »
diuretics, insulin, peptides all screw your system... to stay healthy long term be sure to
 stay away from this shit.

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« Reply #207 on: July 31, 2013, 12:29:55 AM »
Too many novices using diuretics without basic knowledge..

I blame many of the contest prep gurus who hand these things out like candies with little to no education of the adverse-reactions that can result.

Do you have medical qualifications Caro Lee  ;D

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« Reply #208 on: July 31, 2013, 12:33:44 AM »
Do you have medical qualifications Caro Lee  ;D

Stop trolling!

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« Reply #209 on: July 31, 2013, 12:33:54 AM »
Milos, throughout his Pro career and then as a contest prep guru was a passionate advocate of diuretics.

In my view, very dangerous stuff if used incorrectly.

Have you managed to find a reference to Milos calling himself a guru or are you going to concede that you lied about it earlier.

OH AND BEFORE YOU RESPONDE WITH "GO AWAY HATER" DONT BOTHER, ITS GETTING REALLY TIRESOME.

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« Reply #210 on: July 31, 2013, 12:36:19 AM »
Have you managed to find a reference to Milos calling himself a guru or are you going to concede that you lied about it earlier.

OH AND BEFORE YOU RESPONDE WITH "GO AWAY HATER" DONT BOTHER, ITS GETTING REALLY TIRESOME.

 ;)

Stop trolling!

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« Reply #211 on: July 31, 2013, 12:42:57 AM »
Stop trolling!
I will when you stop lying.
Im only on your case because of it.
I wouldnt normally bother with gimmick accounts but when they tell lies about people they are fair game.

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« Reply #212 on: July 31, 2013, 12:44:06 AM »
I will when you stop lying.
Im only on your case because of it.
I wouldnt normally bother with gimmick accounts but when they tell lies about people they are fair game.


Stop trolling!

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« Reply #213 on: July 31, 2013, 12:50:38 AM »


Stop trolling!

I sense yout time is coming to an end, you should try and get some quality posts in before the hammer falls.

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« Reply #214 on: July 31, 2013, 12:52:02 AM »
Stop trolling!

OR WHAT  ;D

How much is yours Unemployment Benefit now caro LEE  ;D

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« Reply #215 on: July 31, 2013, 12:54:16 AM »
OR WHAT  ;D

How much is yours Unemployment Benefit now caro LEE  ;D
Stop trolling!
 

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« Reply #216 on: July 31, 2013, 12:55:56 AM »
OR WHAT  ;D

How much is yours Unemployment Benefit now caro LEE  ;D

Who do you think this Gimmick is?

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« Reply #217 on: July 31, 2013, 12:57:03 AM »
Who do you think this Gimmick is?

Stop trolling!

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« Reply #218 on: July 31, 2013, 01:00:16 AM »
Who do you think this Gimmick is?

5'3 "tall" & lives North of Sydney  ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #219 on: July 31, 2013, 01:02:15 AM »
5'3 "tall" & lives North of Sydney  ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #220 on: July 31, 2013, 01:05:40 AM »
Stop trolling!

 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 & knockout  ;D

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« Reply #221 on: July 31, 2013, 01:10:47 AM »
5'3 "tall" & lives North of Sydney  ;D ;D ;D

Never in a million year, this guy has no backbone, the dwarf would have given a bit back by now.

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« Reply #222 on: July 31, 2013, 01:19:40 AM »
1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 & knockout  ;D

Stop trolling!

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« Reply #223 on: July 31, 2013, 01:20:21 AM »
Never in a million year, this guy has no backbone, the dwarf would have given a bit back by now.

Stop trolling!

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« Reply #224 on: July 31, 2013, 01:33:19 AM »
Never in a million year, this guy has no backbone, the dwarf would have given a bit back by now.

Jeff who would be taller the dwarf or leprechaun ?.
Can you check with Nabba, would they permit male competitors in stilettos
at Universe '13 ?.