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Author Topic: why should test be the base of all cycles ? why not var only cycle?  (Read 2487 times)
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« on: July 27, 2013, 12:56:26 AM »

I have done few cycles of winstrol and anavar , done doses like winstrol 20 mg , anavar 30 mg etc

my goal is not to become a bodybuilder but athletic  performance, I don't want to be huge , I want to be good in doing exercises like more pull ups , more push ups , more dips , more crunches , more squats etc....ENDURANCE ATHELETE

last time I ran winstrol only cycle my libido went down , so I used test prop and the injection was very damn painful , I could not squat , I could not deadlift , whenever I squeeze my glutes and hams while deadlifting test prop injection pained , the pain was there for 4-5 days after just 1 injection ...so I stopped all the drugs and started PCT early

well I am not afraid of injections but the pain from jabs is affecting my training

as  mentioned I want to run mild AAS which improves performance but does not make me big

other drugs like tren , equipoise , deca are ruled out of my list as they are muscle builders and weight gainers
the only drugs I have in my list is anavar - first preference , winstrol - second preference , primo- third preference
not interested to run long ester test - they may be less painful but they make retain more water which Is bad for my endurance performance , test prop and test suspension can be considered but they are so painful and hinder my performance in gym and ground
 
so I choose anavar 10 mg cycle for 10 weeks , don't laugh at me , I know it is a bad idea
I am doing such a low dose as I don't want any suppression
I hear bro science that 10 mg anavar will have no effect on natural test levels , is that true ?

I know what I am doing , I am expecting athletic improvement  and performance enhancement  not muscle gains , so is 10 mg var cycle a good idea ?

do I need PCT ? if yes I think just 50 mg clomid for 10 days will be good enough but do I really need PCT in such low dose of anavar ?

help would be much appreciated
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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2013, 01:27:28 AM »

because testosterone is the natural male hormone  Roll Eyes Your body needs it not just for building muscle but other bodily functions and for your well being.
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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2013, 11:06:38 AM »

hey you dont want become too big eh?hahahahha Grin

listen, smartass, i wont go into much details i cant be bother, but do not run stuff like winny ,anavar, on their own.ffs.

run atleast 100mg test weekly with that, dont be a dumbass

I understand your point sir , you are correct , the body needs testosterone for many functions so it is better to use test along with any other drugs , but like I mentioned I tried test prop and it pains very badly , I also heard test suspension also pains badly , and people say test cyp and test eth are less painful but they have more half life , i think test cyp and test enth are for bodybuilders as they may promote water retention, bloating and excess weight gain

so i may plan to run just 10 mg a day var cycle - i think this will have no impact on my test levels as var itself is mild and at this dosage i think it has no effect on natural test levels

and if it still happen to be  bad idea i better not use any AAS
thanks
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2013, 10:18:03 PM »

because any anabolic will affect hpta.

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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2013, 01:32:43 AM »

I understand your point sir , you are correct , the body needs testosterone for many functions so it is better to use test along with any other drugs , but like I mentioned I tried test prop and it pains very badly , I also heard test suspension also pains badly , and people say test cyp and test eth are less painful but they have more half life , i think test cyp and test enth are for bodybuilders as they may promote water retention, bloating and excess weight gain

so i may plan to run just 10 mg a day var cycle - i think this will have no impact on my test levels as var itself is mild and at this dosage i think it has no effect on natural test levels

and if it still happen to be  bad idea i better not use any AAS
thanks

10 mg a day var only cycle?  You are a bottom, correct?
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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2013, 12:24:00 PM »

I did 7 weeks var 50 mg and I loved it.  Only gained about 8 pounds but I looked hard and muscle def popped out.  Had no sides, recovery was fine without pct.   strength badically doubled

Only down side was it was hg gear and cost about 500 bucks.  If it was cheaper it would be well worth it, but not at those prices.
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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2013, 02:02:09 PM »

because testosterone is the natural male hormone  Roll Eyes Your body needs it not just for building muscle but other bodily functions and for your well being.

yeah this. Go look at the side effects of low test somewhere...not pretty.

You can get away not running it for a few weeks but after a while you'll know why people say to run it no matter what.
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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2013, 02:11:12 PM »

I've run no test for months and felt fine mood wise and libido wise as long as I had tren in the mix. I personally don't notice a difference between a low dose of test and no test, I only notice a difference when I'm blasting it at higher doses.
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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2013, 05:11:19 PM »

I did 7 weeks var 50 mg and I loved it.  Only gained about 8 pounds but I looked hard and muscle def popped out.  Had no sides, recovery was fine without pct.   strength badically doubled

Only down side was it was hg gear and cost about 500 bucks.  If it was cheaper it would be well worth it, but not at those prices.

If I could get get 7 weeks of legit Var at 50mg ED for $500, I would buy that in a NY minute.
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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2013, 10:11:10 PM »

any updates dude?

10 mg seems pretty damn low, but i'm curious how it went for ya
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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2013, 10:23:06 PM »

the answer is simple because everything you take will shut down your natural production, so you are left with lower test by taking anything other then test, were as test will shut you down but you are replacing it with test anyway.

Taking anything else will not replace your test with test, only test, hence test has to be the base to a cycle.
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« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2013, 08:51:31 AM »

the answer is simple because everything you take will shut down your natural production, so you are left with lower test by taking anything other then test, were as test will shut you down but you are replacing it with test anyway.

Taking anything else will not replace your test with test, only test, hence test has to be the base to a cycle.
Wonder how it worked so well for Arnold who it's rumored he love dbol and primo... 
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« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2013, 12:12:26 PM »

in my endocrinology textbooks from the 60's and 70's it was common to prescribe androgens other than testosterone to kids(and 'adults') who had delayed puberty.

Halotestin and proviron, ect... names of the others are escaping me, it's been a few years since I looked though the books, but I was surprised to see how common it was to NOT use test..... also, how common it was to use Test PROP instead of Cyp for the same reasons (hypogonandal kids).
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« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2013, 01:09:50 PM »

You can run test-free cycles for 4-6wks, if not longer depending on your goal. 

But there's no reason not to include 50-100mg/wk of test along side wtv else you want.
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« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2013, 11:51:38 PM »

the answer is simple because everything you take will shut down your natural production, so you are left with lower test by taking anything other then test, were as test will shut you down but you are replacing it with test anyway.

Taking anything else will not replace your test with test, only test, hence test has to be the base to a cycle.

This is correct! Some people can get away with very low test (150mg/wk) while using large amounts of other hormones. I'm not one of them. If I go under 500mg during a blast it's like I'm not on any. I usually run 1g during blast. And around 500mg on cruise.
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« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2013, 01:27:50 AM »

Test as a base is not the greatest idea.  You need a little test to keep your libido up.  The reason Arnold used Dbol and primo cycles is back then nobody used hi test due to sides (gyno) and there were no AIs back then.  Dbol will effect you like test in most cases.   They did what is common sense - they let the anabolics build muscle and tool minimum test for sexual function.  Those who went with high test experienced sides that could not be controlled.

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« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2013, 02:22:17 AM »

Yes Test prop is paindfull if you use a shitty brand try to find a brand that uses some Ethyl oleate and TNE (Test suspension is water based and can be very painfull and a bitch to inject unless you get some real deal aquaviron amps those do not hurt to bad . I honestly think your best bet is to get a few boxes of USA grade Unimed Androgel and use like 3 packets throughout the day. That will equate to close to 50mg daily and it is test no ester just transdermal so no injections are needed and androgel will work if you are lean and you use about twice as the pamphlet recommends. Using the androgel will cause no pain becuse it is obviously just a transdermal and it will work great with the anavar. I used to use a shot of Test suspension and a few packets of unimed androgel pre-workout and everything always went well.

Those packets work for me but maybe because i am lean I know some guys who say the androgel does not work but that is because they are fat and they don't absorb right and they don't use enough packets a day. I could only stand the pain of one shot of aquaviron pre-workout wich was still 500mg of Test a week plus the androgel I was at about 800mg of Test a week. In your case 350mg of Test no ester from androgel will do the trick. I was the same way at first those Test suspension shots hurt bad at first and i couldn't do certain lifts. It really takes time to get used to the injection pain and you also have to find a good brand that has very little injection pain.

Don't let people tell you androgel will not work if you double the dose it will work.It is actually perfect for your goal.
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« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2013, 09:00:48 PM »

nothing wrong with var only for a first cycle..its actually very good for a natural that has peaked...especially good for a natural that is lean. Include test later on once you play in the waters of var. Must be legit var obvi and would run 50-75
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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2013, 06:18:40 PM »

I have done few cycles of winstrol and anavar , done doses like winstrol 20 mg , anavar 30 mg etc

my goal is not to become a bodybuilder but athletic  performance, I don't want to be huge , I want to be good in doing exercises like more pull ups , more push ups , more dips , more crunches , more squats etc....ENDURANCE ATHELETE

last time I ran winstrol only cycle my libido went down , so I used test prop and the injection was very damn painful , I could not squat , I could not deadlift , whenever I squeeze my glutes and hams while deadlifting test prop injection pained , the pain was there for 4-5 days after just 1 injection ...so I stopped all the drugs and started PCT early

well I am not afraid of injections but the pain from jabs is affecting my training

as  mentioned I want to run mild AAS which improves performance but does not make me big

other drugs like tren , equipoise , deca are ruled out of my list as they are muscle builders and weight gainers
the only drugs I have in my list is anavar - first preference , winstrol - second preference , primo- third preference
not interested to run long ester test - they may be less painful but they make retain more water which Is bad for my endurance performance , test prop and test suspension can be considered but they are so painful and hinder my performance in gym and ground
 
so I choose anavar 10 mg cycle for 10 weeks , don't laugh at me , I know it is a bad idea
I am doing such a low dose as I don't want any suppression
I hear bro science that 10 mg anavar will have no effect on natural test levels , is that true ?

I know what I am doing , I am expecting athletic improvement  and performance enhancement  not muscle gains , so is 10 mg var cycle a good idea ?

do I need PCT ? if yes I think just 50 mg clomid for 10 days will be good enough but do I really need PCT in such low dose of anavar ?

help would be much appreciated

I see your point. I was in corporate so I coudn't get big. Prop blows me up too much and it's too noticeable.

Yes, run PCT after 6 or 8 week cycles. I ran it and it is a must if you want your test and libido back.

Run HCG as a base or masteron or proviron - it's not test but it got the job done for me as a sub.

Try 4 week on 4 week off with anavar no more than 15mgs taken as soon as you wake up. Less HPTA.

If you don't like 4 week on and off schedule stick with high dosage short bursts.

My preference when in office: Anavar, Primo, Winstrol. I tried NPP alone - no go bloat was noticeable and a few comments were made.

You'll keep low bf%, and will keep or gain a little bit of muscle.

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