Author Topic: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?  (Read 12048 times)

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Re: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?
« Reply #75 on: August 06, 2013, 12:31:27 AM »
Interesting reference to the Halting problem - although I'm not sure that I agree with its applicability here, but that discussion might be a bit too theoretical for getbig.

Is your education in computer science and /or mathematics?

Sidenote: by the way, not all conceivable computing machines are subject to the Church-Turing thesis, so the Halting problem isn't necessarily undecidable.

Yes, I was assuming we're talking about turing complete machine, not oracle machine for instance. It wasn't a reference or any attempt to apply anything, it's totally different realm and has nothing to do with each other. It's just an analogy, showing that sometimes you just cannot solve the problem and attempts to solve it makes you fall into endless special cases.

When people think "astrophysics"/"physics" they assume it's group of douchebags trying to play gods. It's quite on the opposite. Ton of that theory is used later on by mankind. It's like in math when attempts to proof one theorem, even though in vain, produce very interesting results themselves. What I'm saying is that maybe we won't ever know origins of the universe but we can make our world better along the way using knowledge we gained.

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Re: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?
« Reply #76 on: August 06, 2013, 12:42:47 AM »
Personally I believe that it's impossible to create ideal 1-1 model of reality.

I agree.  An idea I've heard several times (such as in borges' story) that appeals to me: if a true, perfectly accurate 1-1 model were possible, it wouldn't really be a model at all, but a copy.  being a copy of the whole universe, it couldn't be contained by the universe; not to mention, a model like this would obviously be useless anyway.

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Re: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?
« Reply #77 on: August 06, 2013, 12:52:26 AM »
To be honest our beliefs are worth just as much as uberman's belief in god... Zero :D

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Re: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?
« Reply #78 on: August 06, 2013, 01:23:17 AM »
does it make you feel a little disgusting inside, discussing like this

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Re: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?
« Reply #79 on: August 06, 2013, 01:48:39 AM »
Lol leave it to getbig. I bet we will figure out the origins of the universe by the time this thread hits 10 pages.  ;D