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« on: August 08, 2013, 03:15:26 PM »
Why I changed my mind on weed

By Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN Chief Medical Correspondent

Watch Dr. Sanjay Gupta's groundbreaking documentary "WEED" at 8 p.m. ET August 11 on CNN.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta is a neurosurgeon and CNN's chief medical correspondent.

(CNN) -- Over the last year, I have been working on a new documentary called "Weed." The title "Weed" may sound cavalier, but the content is not.

I traveled around the world to interview medical leaders, experts, growers and patients. I spoke candidly to them, asking tough questions. What I found was stunning.

Long before I began this project, I had steadily reviewed the scientific literature on medical marijuana from the United States and thought it was fairly unimpressive. Reading these papers five years ago, it was hard to make a case for medicinal marijuana. I even wrote about this in a TIME magazine article, back in 2009, titled "Why I would Vote No on Pot."

Well, I am here to apologize.

I apologize because I didn't look hard enough, until now. I didn't look far enough. I didn't review papers from smaller labs in other countries doing some remarkable research, and I was too dismissive of the loud chorus of legitimate patients whose symptoms improved on cannabis.

Instead, I lumped them with the high-visibility malingerers, just looking to get high. I mistakenly believed the Drug Enforcement Agency listed marijuana as a schedule 1 substance because of sound scientific proof. Surely, they must have quality reasoning as to why marijuana is in the category of the most dangerous drugs that have "no accepted medicinal use and a high potential for abuse."

They didn't have the science to support that claim, and I now know that when it comes to marijuana neither of those things are true. It doesn't have a high potential for abuse, and there are very legitimate medical applications. In fact, sometimes marijuana is the only thing that works. Take the case of Charlotte Figi, who I met in Colorado. She started having seizures soon after birth. By age 3, she was having 300 a week, despite being on seven different medications. Medical marijuana has calmed her brain, limiting her seizures to 2 or 3 per month.

I have seen more patients like Charlotte first hand, spent time with them and come to the realization that it is irresponsible not to provide the best care we can as a medical community, care that could involve marijuana.

We have been terribly and systematically misled for nearly 70 years in the United States, and I apologize for my own role in that.

I hope this article and upcoming documentary will help set the record straight.

On August 14, 1970, the Assistant Secretary of Health, Dr. Roger O. Egeberg wrote a letter recommending the plant, marijuana, be classified as a schedule 1 substance, and it has remained that way for nearly 45 years. My research started with a careful reading of that decades old letter. What I found was unsettling. Egeberg had carefully chosen his words:

"Since there is still a considerable void in our knowledge of the plant and effects of the active drug contained in it, our recommendation is that marijuana be retained within schedule 1 at least until the completion of certain studies now underway to resolve the issue."

Not because of sound science, but because of its absence, marijuana was classified as a schedule 1 substance. Again, the year was 1970. Egeberg mentions studies that are underway, but many were never completed. As my investigation continued, however, I realized Egeberg did in fact have important research already available to him, some of it from more than 25 years earlier.

High risk of abuse

In 1944, New York Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia commissioned research to be performed by the New York Academy of Science. Among their conclusions: they found marijuana did not lead to significant addiction in the medical sense of the word. They also did not find any evidence marijuana led to morphine, heroin or cocaine addiction.

We now know that while estimates vary, marijuana leads to dependence in around 9 to 10% of its adult users. By comparison, cocaine, a schedule 2 substance "with less abuse potential than schedule 1 drugs" hooks 20% of those who use it. Around 25% of heroin users become addicted.

The worst is tobacco, where the number is closer to 30% of smokers, many of whom go on to die because of their addiction.

There is clear evidence that in some people marijuana use can lead to withdrawal symptoms, including insomnia, anxiety and nausea. Even considering this, it is hard to make a case that it has a high potential for abuse. The physical symptoms of marijuana addiction are nothing like those of the other drugs I've mentioned. I have seen the withdrawal from alcohol, and it can be life threatening.

I do want to mention a concern that I think about as a father. Young, developing brains are likely more susceptible to harm from marijuana than adult brains. Some recent studies suggest that regular use in teenage years leads to a permanent decrease in IQ. Other research hints at a possible heightened risk of developing psychosis.

Much in the same way I wouldn't let my own children drink alcohol, I wouldn't permit marijuana until they are adults. If they are adamant about trying marijuana, I will urge them to wait until they're in their mid-20s when their brains are fully developed.

Medical benefit

While investigating, I realized something else quite important. Medical marijuana is not new, and the medical community has been writing about it for a long time. There were in fact hundreds of journal articles, mostly documenting the benefits. Most of those papers, however, were written between the years 1840 and 1930. The papers described the use of medical marijuana to treat "neuralgia, convulsive disorders, emaciation," among other things.

A search through the U.S. National Library of Medicine this past year pulled up nearly 20,000 more recent papers. But the majority were research into the harm of marijuana, such as "Bad trip due to anticholinergic effect of cannabis," or "Cannabis induced pancreatitits" and "Marijuana use and risk of lung cancer."
In my quick running of the numbers, I calculated about 6% of the current U.S. marijuana studies investigate the benefits of medical marijuana. The rest are designed to investigate harm. That imbalance paints a highly distorted picture.

The challenges of marijuana research

To do studies on marijuana in the United States today, you need two important things.

First of all, you need marijuana. And marijuana is illegal. You see the problem. Scientists can get research marijuana from a special farm in Mississippi, which is astonishingly located in the middle of the Ole Miss campus, but it is challenging. When I visited this year, there was no marijuana being grown.

The second thing you need is approval, and the scientists I interviewed kept reminding me how tedious that can be. While a cancer study may first be evaluated by the National Cancer Institute, or a pain study may go through the National Institute for Neurological Disorders, there is one more approval required for marijuana: NIDA, the National Institute on Drug Abuse. It is an organization that has a core mission of studying drug abuse, as opposed to benefit.

Stuck in the middle are the legitimate patients who depend on marijuana as a medicine, oftentimes as their only good option.

Keep in mind that up until 1943, marijuana was part of the United States drug pharmacopeia. One of the conditions for which it was prescribed was neuropathic pain. It is a miserable pain that's tough to treat. My own patients have described it as "lancinating, burning and a barrage of pins and needles." While marijuana has long been documented to be effective for this awful pain, the most common medications prescribed today come from the poppy plant, including morphine, oxycodone and dilaudid.

Here is the problem. Most of these medications don't work very well for this kind of pain, and tolerance is a real problem.

Most frightening to me is that someone dies in the United States every 19 minutes from a prescription drug overdose, mostly accidental. Every 19 minutes. It is a horrifying statistic. As much as I searched, I could not find a documented case of death from marijuana overdose.

It is perhaps no surprise then that 76% of physicians recently surveyed said they would approve the use of marijuana to help ease a woman's pain from breast cancer.

When marijuana became a schedule 1 substance, there was a request to fill a "void in our knowledge." In the United States, that has been challenging because of the infrastructure surrounding the study of an illegal substance, with a drug abuse organization at the heart of the approval process. And yet, despite the hurdles, we have made considerable progress that continues today.

Looking forward, I am especially intrigued by studies like those in Spain and Israel looking at the anti-cancer effects of marijuana and its components. I'm intrigued by the neuro-protective study by Lev Meschoulam in Israel, and research in Israel and the United States on whether the drug might help alleviate symptoms of PTSD. I promise to do my part to help, genuinely and honestly, fill the remaining void in our knowledge.

Citizens in 20 states and the District of Columbia have now voted to approve marijuana for medical applications, and more states will be making that choice soon. As for Dr. Roger Egeberg, who wrote that letter in 1970, he passed away 16 years ago.

I wonder what he would think if he were alive today.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/08/health/gupta-changed-mind-marijuana/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Now, it's only a matter of time before Mehmet Oz jumps on the bandwagon and you'll have housewives all across the country smoking up in between episodes of Jersey housewives and The View..

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P.S. In the New York circuit of pros, out of the 8 pros that I know personally, all of them use marijuana for medicinal purposes.. (Bodybuilding related)

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Re: Wiggs, Dr. Sanjay Gupta smokes weed...
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2013, 03:19:18 PM »
What point are you trying to make? Constant weed smoking can't be good for health or the brain.

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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2013, 03:21:05 PM »
Where did he say he smokes it or even tried it? I must have missed it.

It has some medical value for sure, but I wish the stoners would just say why they defend it so much: they just like to get high. All this talk about medical value and using hemp for everything is just a bunch of balonie most don't really care about. You really want your trousers made of hemp, it's really important to you right? :D

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« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2013, 03:22:51 PM »
I have never smoked weed in my life (or cigs). I frown upon people who use substances as a crutch.

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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2013, 03:24:42 PM »
While it may not be as harmful as alcohol or prescription medication, isn't there a reason they call it 'dope'?

Besides, there have not been studies on long term use - with the marijuana that is currently out there. This is no longer the same 'ditch weed' from the 60s...

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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2013, 03:27:01 PM »
I'm glad that in an age of evidence based science and medicine that he's manned up and said that he wasn't looking at things objectively and just took the DEA's word on things. The government does not have people's best interests in minds. They are neither scientists nor doctors. They can't run a society very well either. If it weren't for the strong-arming of the American government many other countries would have legalized it already.

Look at fucking Canada. We're a bunch of pussies. Individual States are saying "fuck the Federal government" and exercising their right to govern themselves. Canada's too busy on their knees licking the Obama administration's rim. We're too busy tossing their salad to be a sovereign country.

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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2013, 03:27:19 PM »
Where did he say he smokes it or even tried it? I must have missed it.

It has some medical value for sure, but I wish the stoners would just say why they defend it so much: they just like to get high. All this talk about medical value and using hemp for everything is just a bunch of balonie most don't really care about. You really want your trousers made of hemp, it's really important to you right? :D

If you click on the link, you will see him admit that he has smoked weed.

Here is another video of him admitting to "trying" it (watch from the 2:22 mark to see where he admits it):



Now, watch this video to see how he admits that he was wrong and apologizes about his prior stance on Marijuana overall and how most government agencies lack any substantial literature or scientific basis to back up their claims:



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« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2013, 03:32:04 PM »
I have never smoked weed in my life (or cigs). I frown upon people who use substances as a crutch.

Bodybuilding has been known to have people who use Steroids as a crutch to enhance their physiques which normally natural would not be able to compete on the Olympia stage...

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« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2013, 03:32:18 PM »
What point are you trying to make? Constant weed smoking can't be good for health or the brain.

How is the nephew?

There is NO literature to substantiate those claims. You might be able to postulate some ideas based off studies that have been conducted on rats, but nothing that can justify the current stance on the use of Marijuana.
 
Trust me, I have searched far and wide for said literature in order to get my nephew to stop using Marijuana and after endless months of searching everything from the NIH database, PubMed registries and even the online libraries for Harvard, Cornell and Johns Hopkins, I have not found anything that can directly be quoted/presented as a sound argument that would suggest that its use is truly detrimental to your health in any way...

Nothing..

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« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2013, 03:33:09 PM »
it's just reverse psychology.  the government want us doing all the drugs we can get our hands on,

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« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2013, 03:36:14 PM »
There is NO literature to substantiate those claims. You might be able to postulate some ideas based off studies that have been conducted on rats, but nothing that can justify the current stance on the use of Marijuana.
 
Trust me, I have searched far and wide for said literature in order to get my nephew to stop using Marijuana and after endless months of searching everything from the NIH database, PubMed registries and even the online libraries for Harvard, Cornell and Johns Hopkins, I have not found anything that can directly be quoted/presented as a sound argument that would suggest that its use is truly detrimental to your health in any way...

Nothing..

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What do you have to say for stoners? Maybe your nephew is one of the few who can surmount regular weed smoking. I am a firm believer that weed kills brain cells. Unless, weed attracts the majority of lazy, morons.

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« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2013, 03:39:53 PM »
What do you have to say for stoners? Maybe your nephew is one of the few who can surmount regular weed smoking. I am a firm believer that weed kills brain cells. Unless, weed attracts the majority of lazy, morons.

But what makes you garner such conviction behind this stance of yours? Is it a gut feeling or do you have actual proof of said claims?

I am from the school of thought that believes that unless you have proof in order to substantiate your claims, everything else is just bullshit.

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« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2013, 03:41:03 PM »
There is NO literature to substantiate those claims. You might be able to postulate some ideas based off studies that have been conducted on rats, but nothing that can justify the current stance on the use of Marijuana.
 
Trust me, I have searched far and wide for said literature in order to get my nephew to stop using Marijuana and after endless months of searching everything from the NIH database, PubMed registries and even the online libraries for Harvard, Cornell and Johns Hopkins, I have not found anything that can directly be quoted/presented as a sound argument that would suggest that its use is truly detrimental to your health in any way...

Nothing..

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Bingo. I went through a big phase where I stopped for years and was totally against it. I blamed some of my teenage problems on it and realized I was just being immature and looking for a scapegoat. I like to be objective and admit to problems or challenges if and when they occur, but honestly there's nothing ultra bad about marijuana

They're finding that it could have some neuroprotective properties, as well as immune boosting and cancer fighting properties. That's NOT to say that taking fat rips off a bong will cure cancer, but if exogenous cannabinoids can be isolated it may help to create new cancer treatments or to understand how to fight cancer. They found out so much about g coupled protein receptors and other areas of neuroscience that were previously unknown. This is why it's so important to look at things without bias. Even if we find a myriad of harmful affects from marijuana, we'll probably learn a fuckload about our body that we didn't know previously so that's why people need to unknot their panties and chill the fuck out. This isn't being looked into in order to justify kids skipping school and smoking weed. We need the cold hard facts before we can even begin arguing.

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« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2013, 03:41:22 PM »
There is NO literature to substantiate those claims. You might be able to postulate some ideas based off studies that have been conducted on rats, but nothing that can justify the current stance on the use of Marijuana.
 
Trust me, I have searched far and wide for said literature in order to get my nephew to stop using Marijuana and after endless months of searching everything from the NIH database, PubMed registries and even the online libraries for Harvard, Cornell and Johns Hopkins, I have not found anything that can directly be quoted/presented as a sound argument that would suggest that its use is truly detrimental to your health in any way...

Nothing..

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What about lungs?

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« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2013, 03:43:20 PM »
But what makes you garner such conviction behind this stance of yours? Is it a gut feeling or do you have actual proof of said claims?

I am from the school of thought that believes that unless you have proof in order to substantiate your claims, everything else is just bullshit.

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You could be right...... However, most of the people that I have run into (who are regular weed smokers) are fucking morons. You know...... the long drawn out laughs duhhahhhhduhhhh. The complete lack of an attention span etc.... There are exceptions to every rule. I am a genius alchoholic.

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« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2013, 03:45:46 PM »
You could be right...... However, most of the people that I have run into (who are regular weed smokers) are fucking morons. You know...... the long drawn out laughs duhhahhhhduhhhh. The complete lack of an attention span etc.... There are exceptions to every rule. I am a genius alchoholic.

Correlation doesn't equal causation. There are a lot of schmoes that hang out on bodybuilding boards... but just because a brother wants to see some nice shredded hams and glutes, doesn't mean he's a schmoe!!! ;D

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« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2013, 03:47:09 PM »
What about lungs?

No risk of developing lung cancer as per studies conducted in 2006.

http://www.webmd.com/lung-cancer/news/20060523/pot-smoking-not-linked-to-lung-cancer

Most studies I have read have found that light to even moderate smoking of marijuana provides no risk of developing lung cancer. The effects of heavy marijuana use has yet to be determines, as they have not been able to conduct conclusive studies.

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« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2013, 03:47:17 PM »
Correlation doesn't equal causation. There are a lot of schmoes that hang out on bodybuilding boards... but just because a brother wants to see some nice shredded hams and glutes, doesn't mean he's a schmoe!!! ;D

The last couple posts seen of yours have been about 'shredded glutes'

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Something on your mind?

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« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2013, 03:47:33 PM »
One, give me a break. I thought you of all people would not be caught up in this. Weed is an addiction like everything else. It is harmful smoke inhaled into the lungs (at the very least).

There doesn't need to be any studies. Mankind (throughout history) has been addicted to drugs.

Drugs are never good.

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« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2013, 03:49:19 PM »
You could be right...... However, most of the people that I have run into (who are regular weed smokers) are fucking morons. You know...... the long drawn out laughs duhhahhhhduhhhh. The complete lack of an attention span etc.... There are exceptions to every rule. I am a genius alchoholic.

I can only base my statements off of peer-reviewed literature that has been conducted by scientists, doctors and psychologists.

Most people I run into who are habitual alcohol users are thieves, murderers and Satan worshipers, but I doubt that alcohol made them do it.

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« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2013, 03:52:13 PM »
One, give me a break. I thought you of all people would not be caught up in this. Weed is an addiction like everything else. It is harmful smoke inhaled into the lungs (at the very least).

There doesn't need to be any studies. Mankind (throughout history) has been addicted to drugs.

Drugs are never good.

Studies suggest otherwise...

If we don't conduct controlled studies, we are truly incapable of deciphering how well medications work (or don't work), how harmful certain drugs are or the long term effects of various forms of therapies (both pharmaceutical based and behavioral).

This is why we have clinical trials before releasing new drugs onto the market. This is why we have studies like the Framingham study that evaluate the various factors affecting overall cardiac health etc..

Everything else is, how do we say, Broscience...

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« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2013, 03:52:52 PM »
I can only base my statements off of peer-reviewed literature that has been conducted by scientists, doctors and psychologists.

Most people I run into who are habitual alcohol users are thieves, murderers and Satan worshipers, but I doubt that alcohol made them do it.
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Lol..... It probably helped. Drugs help bring the moron out in people. If you are smart, then you can learn to cope.

You are worried about your nephew. Don't worry, most people eventually stop smoking weed after a certain age/point in life.

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« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2013, 03:55:23 PM »
Lol..... It probably helped. Drugs help bring the moron out in people. If you are smart, then you can learn to cope.

You are worried about your nephew. Don't worry, most people eventually stop smoking weed after a certain age/point in life.

I once showed my nephew a movie in black and white that the government once put out about the dangers of Marijuana use. In return, he laughed at me and said that "he would have enjoyed the movie even better if he were high"..

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« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2013, 03:55:56 PM »
Studies suggest otherwise...

If we don't conduct controlled studies, we are truly incapable of deciphering how well medications work (or don't work), how harmful certain drugs are or the long term effects of various forms of therapies (both pharmaceutical based and behavioral).

Everything else is, how do we say, Broscience...

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Really? Because people continue to smoke weed why? It is an addictive substance. After prolonged use, the body craves "the feeling".

Have you ever taken an addictive substance? (I am fairly sure you take steroids) Stop taking steroids right now then! Are you hesitant?

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« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2013, 03:56:40 PM »
"I’ve never met a person who smokes marijuana every day who I thought wouldn’t benefit from smoking less (and I’ve never met someone who has never tried it who I thought wouldn’t benefit from smoking more)."

- Sam Harris

Every intelligent weed smoker will acknowledges that it can have negative effects too. Tons of people will testify to having developed anxiety, paranoia etc after years of heavy smoking. Even Wiggs acknowledged that it probably exacerbated some paranoid tendencies.